2016 Postmortem

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259. Nor does it make it any more decisive.

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Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:55 PM

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I love it. Hillary wins, Bernie fans declare Bernie the winner. [View all] DanTex Feb 2016 OP

like the karl rove moment when Ohio was called for obama beachbum bob Feb 2016 #1

just like karl rove. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #70

Exactly! Loudestlib Feb 2016 #128

Are you a true Bernie supporter ? stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #132

she did lose roguevalley Feb 2016 #142

If you are projected to win by 100 and you win by 1 ... how in the world is that a loss? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #155

No, technically it wasn't a loss. She won by 1/10 of a percent. 699/695 sammythecat Feb 2016 #236

NO TECHNICALLY TO IT ... Bernie lost. Period. Full Stop, until the next contest. ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #243

No, should Hillary lose by 5, or 1, in NH it would just mean sammythecat Feb 2016 #246

Now would closing from -30 to -5 (-1) in N.H., be indicative of HRC "continuing to slide"? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #248

A "solid" win... sammythecat Feb 2016 #267

Statisticians/number folks like Nate Silver ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #271

Yes, but. intheflow Feb 2016 #247

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #250

Okay. intheflow Feb 2016 #261

Camp Hillary isn't claiming this wasn't a close shave ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #264

woah woah woah! frylock Feb 2016 #252

No ... I am not mad ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #258

You know that's the truth. But these are the same folks that thought that Nate Silver was saying Number23 Feb 2016 #270

Agreed, in that the Sanders campaign looks more electable, and her candidacy more problematic Babel_17 Feb 2016 #254

+1000 She lost in the minds of the public no matter how they try to spin it. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #282

308,000 Loudestlib Feb 2016 #159

hear, hear! secondwind Feb 2016 #175

Agreed Lage Nom Ai Feb 2016 #184

Get real! Ernest Partridge Feb 2016 #186

. Loudestlib Feb 2016 #196

Gore lost his homestate that was bad yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #230

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #283

Clinton isn't the one getting funded by Republican pacs KittyWampus Feb 2016 #224

Be fair, Bernie isn't "funded," just PROMOTED by right-wing PACs Hortensis Feb 2016 #241

Right all those social media polls and huge rallies. He should have won by a landslide! What livetohike Feb 2016 #2

Given all those polls that Hillary supporters were cramming down our throats Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #3

Yeah, but those didn't include all those folks on cell phones, or some such. Hoyt Feb 2016 #29

No all she could manage was winning a coin toss. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #42

6 of them. nt Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #69

Yep 6 coin tosses Kalidurga Feb 2016 #240

Pretty much Babel_17 Feb 2016 #136

"It's the MONEY, STUPID!" John Poet Feb 2016 #253

Any States Bernie loses from here on out firebrand80 Feb 2016 #4

It's brilliant Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #5

7 coin flips out of 7 went to Clinton. OnlinePoker Feb 2016 #77

Jesus wanted her to win Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #79

The devil supports gamblers. Loudestlib Feb 2016 #134

7 out of 7? Whoda thunk? nt jonno99 Feb 2016 #110

I wonder what the chances were that your post would be #77 in this thread. stopbush Feb 2016 #201

LOL OnlinePoker Feb 2016 #215

"Just like 2008!" ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #6

I don't recall any coin toss in 2008 AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #168

Where Hillary came in 3rd? Hardly the same. yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #233

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You mean like the fact that Clinton is ahead in almost all the remaining states, and Iowa was one of DanTex Feb 2016 #12

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we just don't know him. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #75

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There's no rational reason to support Bernie over Hillary. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #114

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no you can't. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #127

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WOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #180

It's more likely you just don't know Hillary for what she really is. sammythecat Feb 2016 #173

People laugh at this...people who haven't knocked on doors and talked to voters DebJ Feb 2016 #111

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95% of my door knocking during two Presidential primaries and in the November election DebJ Feb 2016 #135

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #177

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Then why do you get so bent out of shape over Iowa? 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #53

Who's bent out of shape? I've been laughing at hilarious Bernie fan memes for months now. DanTex Feb 2016 #55

All the hate from Hillary supporters is not coming from a jolly place 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #57

I don't know, maybe a little projection there... I think you actually do know how to compare two DanTex Feb 2016 #58

Not at all if u consider the number of supporters on this site for each candidate. 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #62

Yes, on DU there are more Bernie supporters. Bernie is sure to be president of DU. DanTex Feb 2016 #63

See, like that. 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #82

I was talking about the caucus results in Iowa. You brought up the fact that DU has more pro-Bernie DanTex Feb 2016 #88

The media take their talking points and runs with them. 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #101

Oh, please! It was non-stop Trump/Sanders golden R B Garr Feb 2016 #126

Bernie got shunned by the press AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #137

LOL, the nonstop stories were the so-called outsiders R B Garr Feb 2016 #157

A coin toss AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #161

It's not Bernie's fault that Hillary has so much baggage and he doesn't 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #145

LOL, do you see the contradiction there? R B Garr Feb 2016 #174

I wouldn't really call that's loss. 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #219

DU college! That's pretty funny redstateblues Feb 2016 #204

Or Lage Nom Ai Feb 2016 #198

They're talking about this is horrible for Clinton Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2016 #8

Bernie heavily favored? thesquanderer Feb 2016 #91

We were told, polls after polls that Clinton would win Iowa Flying Phoenix Feb 2016 #107

Yeah... kenfrequed Feb 2016 #154

The Iowa electorate favored Bernie Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2016 #229

only one precinct not reported as of 5am this morning beachbum bob Feb 2016 #9

6 coin tosses... virtualobserver Feb 2016 #10

I wonder who O'Malley's delegates will vote for? cascadiance Feb 2016 #100

I don't know, but this has worked out better than I ever imagined virtualobserver Feb 2016 #109

O'Malley didn't win any delegates to the state convetion thesquanderer Feb 2016 #122

Actually I was speaking of State Delegate Equivalents as they actually call them... cascadiance Feb 2016 #208

I've seen the Gopher Basketball team lead in several Big Ten games this year. Thor_MN Feb 2016 #195

yes I am....Hillary's camp is filled with dissension virtualobserver Feb 2016 #197

Huh, who knew that your biases and beliefs control the nomination? Thor_MN Feb 2016 #207

not belief or bias.....reports that Robby Mook is being sidelined virtualobserver Feb 2016 #225

Who has more delegates at this point? nt. Thor_MN Feb 2016 #232

the important question is....whose bubble of invincibility has been punctured virtualobserver Feb 2016 #237

You go ahead and follow your hopes... Thor_MN Feb 2016 #239

Sigh, you're right, Dan. It was a stunning victory for Hillary. Bonobo Feb 2016 #11

I felt great the whole time. I never believed the clickbait polls to begin with. And now I get to DanTex Feb 2016 #17

Dan Tex the day after Christmas: "Clinton is ahead by a comfortable margin." Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #102

DanTex today: Clinton wins the Iowa caucus. DanTex Feb 2016 #105

Bernie wins the debate on Thursday. Flying Phoenix Feb 2016 #113

I'm in an occupation that is full of direct competition and when I actually win I am very happy Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #179

Yep, if he were a Republican he would have been cheering a Romney "win" in last election... cascadiance Feb 2016 #115

Dan, put down the kool aid. The LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #194

Iowa Democrats are white and liberal, right up Bernie's alley. DanTex Feb 2016 #200

Don't say "stunning." Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #74

wow! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #85

NH themonster Feb 2016 #13

Along with much of the media cali Feb 2016 #14

... DanTex Feb 2016 #19

Double your ellipses and raise you cali Feb 2016 #26

Ahh, the old "pro-Clinton" media. Spinning a victory in an almost pure white state into a loss. DanTex Feb 2016 #27

Bwahaha. cali Feb 2016 #44

Meanwhile, out of the other side of your moutb... Cary Feb 2016 #78

Nothing two sides about that. cali Feb 2016 #83

Nor anything defensive. .. Cary Feb 2016 #95

Plus that poster contradicts herself, saying in other R B Garr Feb 2016 #116

In a sense... a tie for an underdog is a win. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #76

Yup. tecelote Feb 2016 #15

Are we really going to have to put up with Hillary's supporters touting their 6 to 7 coin flips?(nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #16

Yes, obviously. Deny and Shred Feb 2016 #45

Apparently we are. nt SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #131

Sad that after all the speeches, all the time LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #209

It's what they do. Humility is a foreign concept to the Hillarian. frylock Feb 2016 #255

Congrats! vercetti2021 Feb 2016 #18

yesterday was an impressive showing for Bernie. He still has a very uphill battle. fishwax Feb 2016 #21

Wonderful Night!!! Gamecock Lefty Feb 2016 #22

Bernie gets a "Good Job!" participant ribbon...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #23

That is about the slimmest razor thin win any candidate has ever had in Iowa. Vinca Feb 2016 #24

Oh, one more thing . . . Gamecock Lefty Feb 2016 #25

I love it too! Hillary blew a 30 point lead and broke the bank morningfog Feb 2016 #28

I think we can resolve the whole infighting this way. Clinton wins in reality, Bernie wins in DanTex Feb 2016 #30

Whatever you need to soothe yourself. On to NH! morningfog Feb 2016 #33

Looking forward to it. One more white state for Bernie, and then on to the rest of the country. DanTex Feb 2016 #34

13 mill spent for a .05% win. From a 30 point lead. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #39

Ha! well said! Bonobo Feb 2016 #61

Best of both worlds alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #31

I predicted that regardless of the outcome ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #190

I coulda predicted this, 1SBM NastyRiffraff Feb 2016 #238

The Bernie propaganda machine at full throttle liberal N proud Feb 2016 #32

The demographics of the first 2 states makes this their time to shine. LexVegas Feb 2016 #35

Sister Souljah: Hillary reminds me of �the slave plantation� w4rma Feb 2016 #36

I'm sure that has nothing leftynyc Feb 2016 #67

Exactly. Sanders was one of only two white officeholders in the nation to endorse Jessie Jackson. w4rma Feb 2016 #106

I'm glad Jackson got dissed leftynyc Feb 2016 #172

You do realize that Sanders is Jewish, right? (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #278

Of course I realize it leftynyc Feb 2016 #279

That comment was definitely crude, rude and stupid, but it wasn't racist. w4rma Feb 2016 #280

You DO realize leftynyc Feb 2016 #281

Don't go there. PEOPLE are uninformed. If you had your way, PEOPLE would stay uninformed. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #284

I ABSOLUTELY WILL GO THERE leftynyc Feb 2016 #285

Your smears are disingenuous, leftynyc. I think that folks, here, are smart enough not to buy into w4rma Feb 2016 #288

Spare me the bullshit leftynyc Feb 2016 #291

Go ahead and call all leftynyc Feb 2016 #286

You're the one doing that. Not I. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #289

Everyone can see which leftynyc Feb 2016 #292

You really are a cynical person on politics. Your views are what turns off independents. w4rma Feb 2016 #293

I'm a REALISTIC leftynyc Feb 2016 #294

No. You're cynical and you twist the meanings of my words, in order to make it sound like I said w4rma Feb 2016 #295

More bullshit from you leftynyc Feb 2016 #296

I love it too! Bernie did win politically, and he's got the momentum. Avalux Feb 2016 #37

I think it sets a good precedent. After Hillary gets the nomination, if Bernie fans can DanTex Feb 2016 #38

Well if that happens, I hope that at least there will be SOME impact permanently on DebJ Feb 2016 #118

every single person on earth knows HRC; SBS was virtually unknown & tied her cyberswede Feb 2016 #40

What difference does that make? Bad Dog Feb 2016 #170

Name recognition means a lot in electoral politics. cyberswede Feb 2016 #191

They both should be Congratulated. Even more today, I believe the two of them should team-up. Sunlei Feb 2016 #41

They will team up eventually, the question is behind which candidate. And it's looking DanTex Feb 2016 #43

I'd like for them to team-up now & let primary voters decide who is VP/Pres. Sunlei Feb 2016 #49

No. We need Bernie in the Senate should he not win the nomination. n/t DebJ Feb 2016 #120

I think Senator Sanders would make a great VP & keep Mrs. Clinton more connected to 'the people' Sunlei Feb 2016 #202

Iowa is homogeneous, rural, and sparsely populated. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #46

Of course. He had to win, and everyone knew that. Hence the spin. DanTex Feb 2016 #48

I will leave this question out there, for any fair person. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #50

DanTex Time! Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #47

Definately a win for Bernie the hill people have been campigning there over a decade bowens43 Feb 2016 #51

Lol, you whine a lot. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #52

I think it will be good for the party My Good Babushka Feb 2016 #54

IKR? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #56

Exactly DoBotherMe Feb 2016 #96

I have a feeling we will be seeing a lot of that in the next few months, plus DrDan Feb 2016 #59

What will happen when Bernie clearly wins INdemo Feb 2016 #199

I will offer my congratulations . . . I have no problem acknowledging a win DrDan Feb 2016 #245

This is the sad narrative that is going forward Tarc Feb 2016 #60

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We shall see. You and many like you didnt think he would make it to Iowa. INdemo Feb 2016 #256

Hillary Wins Iowa - by 5 Coin Tosses Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #64

Seven coin flips to determine a winner? jalan48 Feb 2016 #65

Truth is that what the Bernie fans say here is irrelevant. MoonRiver Feb 2016 #66

Aww you're clearly upset that your candidate couldn't legitimately take the win. retrowire Feb 2016 #68

So now the win's not "legitimate". LOL. Lemme guess, only Bernie wins are legitimate? DanTex Feb 2016 #72

XD Hey we got video. Just sayin'. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #73

You've always had the conspiracy theories. DanTex Feb 2016 #81

Bernie wins 21 delegates by skill. retrowire Feb 2016 #86

The excuses are delicious. DanTex Feb 2016 #89

Facts they are young padawan. It's okay to accept that. retrowire Feb 2016 #94

CAREFUL. that poster calls everyone desperate then alerts R B Garr Feb 2016 #148

Do they coin toss for president? rnk6670 Feb 2016 #71

She did not win Reter Feb 2016 #80

Love the excuses. Really do. DanTex Feb 2016 #84

What excuses? Tie decided by coin toss? SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #153

My car broke down! I couldn't make it to the caucus in time! DanTex Feb 2016 #160

The coin tosses are part of the Iowa caucus rules mcar Feb 2016 #223

Nor does it make it any more decisive. frylock Feb 2016 #259

Today ... Iowa is a state where Sanders is heavily favored. earthside Feb 2016 #87

Moral victories, those are great. I look forward to Sanders winning many more of those. DanTex Feb 2016 #90

A pyrrhic tie for Mrs. Clinton. earthside Feb 2016 #108

lol JTFrog Feb 2016 #217

K&R CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #92

Let them have their moral victory Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #93

They're denying it now. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #97

Right on cue..... blackspade Feb 2016 #98

#BERNEDOUT MsMAC Feb 2016 #99

LOL. All he needed to do was keep breathing. ToxMarz Feb 2016 #103

K&R mcar Feb 2016 #104

I love it. No winner declared, and Clinton decides she has won. RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #119

Yep, I've been pointing that out for months now. Lil Missy Feb 2016 #121

Let's be honest: A toss coin in a democracy? That's far, far, far away for winning. Yupy Feb 2016 #123

It also says something that you can't enjoy the win, but want others to totally concede to your karynnj Feb 2016 #124

Talking Points much? EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #129

Yes, those sound like Bernie talking points. I'm not too interested in them. DanTex Feb 2016 #141

They're not EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #150

Not interested in facts. frylock Feb 2016 #260

You will never get it AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #130

Maybe not, but I am able to look at two numbers and see which one is bigger. DanTex Feb 2016 #139

Yup. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #138

It's called a tie, or as the Des Moines Register put it roody Feb 2016 #140

Hillary folks look like sore loser here 4dsc Feb 2016 #143

Yes, in Bernieland the winner is the loser and the loser is the winner. My point. DanTex Feb 2016 #144

How about Rachel Maddow? demwing Feb 2016 #146

Hillary spin zone pinebox Feb 2016 #147

Deranged! Simply because I can look at two numbers and tell which one is bigger! DanTex Feb 2016 #149

Hilary may have "won" Glaisne Feb 2016 #152

The big story of the night was her declaring victory and skedaddling.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #156

But keep this in mind regarding NH cannondale Feb 2016 #158

And yet . . . markpkessinger Feb 2016 #162

um, come again? ellennelle Feb 2016 #163

Yes, that's what I meant. Good stuff! DanTex Feb 2016 #167

MOREOVER!! ellennelle Feb 2016 #203

Lol. JTFrog Feb 2016 #221

"More circumspect"? You mean show proper deference to the man she's running against? randome Feb 2016 #231

basically a tied vote 6chars Feb 2016 #164

Hillary should take her coin toss odds to Vegas. B Calm Feb 2016 #165

HRC did NOT win! barely eked out a tie; a humiliating defeat for her, no matter how you try to spin amborin Feb 2016 #166

She won by 4 delegates per latest AP count. ucrdem Feb 2016 #169

due to a coin toss, at best! not most folks' view of a "win" amborin Feb 2016 #235

Someone please change the record on his Victrola. It keeps playing the same record over and over. HERVEPA Feb 2016 #171

winning by .35% is hardly a 'win' secondwind Feb 2016 #176

It's Iowa... it's the first state... and Iowa has the predictive power of a chamber pot. LS_Editor Feb 2016 #178

How can Hillary be the winner with a INdemo Feb 2016 #181

it was a tie. Hillary didn't win either JI7 Feb 2016 #182

Yes but Hillary fans are acting like they know something we don't l INdemo Feb 2016 #213

So Hillary's plan to spend 90% of her money knocking Bernie out early seems to have failed. Kentonio Feb 2016 #183

You can't be serious... eqfan592 Feb 2016 #185

Who said anything about a "slam dunk". It was a close victory. DanTex Feb 2016 #187

Funny Cryptoad Feb 2016 #210

Coin tosses to put you over? Hardly winning with people. It was close and for Sanders ViseGrip Feb 2016 #189

With "people" huh? I guess the people that actually went out and caucused don't count? DanTex Feb 2016 #192

The Annointed One didn't sweep to a win. SoapBox Feb 2016 #193

I guess victory just isn't what it used to be. ham_actor Feb 2016 #205

Strange that Bernie fans didn't say any of that until after he lost. The last week it's been all DanTex Feb 2016 #206

The Rovian overconfidence of BSS backfired. redstateblues Feb 2016 #216

They set the Bar a little higher for Cryptoad Feb 2016 #212

Saying Bernie won is like saying the Patriots won redstateblues Feb 2016 #211

Oh my! You just stirred up a hornets nest. comradebillyboy Feb 2016 #214

You guys were actually nervous going into Iowa Matariki Feb 2016 #218

Not really. Hillary didn't need Iowa, Bernie did. DanTex Feb 2016 #222

Absolutely disagree. Hillary needed Iowa badly. Matariki Feb 2016 #228

There aren't too many white-liberal states left, Bernie missed a big opportunity. He's got NH, VT, DanTex Feb 2016 #234

I guess we can put the "History Repeating Itself" meme of BSS and the MSM redstateblues Feb 2016 #220

six months ago, few in Iowa even knew who Sanders was. G_j Feb 2016 #226

And then he ran for president. Tends to increase a person's visibility. DanTex Feb 2016 #227

And then they decided they preferred Clinton. randome Feb 2016 #242

Six tosses of a coin rejected Bernie, not necessarily the voters n/t markpkessinger Feb 2016 #265

What I love is that Hillary's fixers, "awesome" ground game, and 24/7 corporate media stooges mhatrw Feb 2016 #244

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Feb 2016 #249

Hillary wins coin tosses. Hillarians call it a decisive win. frylock Feb 2016 #251

And if Sanders had gone 7/7 on coin tosses...? Tarc Feb 2016 #257

Fucking coin tosses! frylock Feb 2016 #263

Damn - Beat me to it! Strutting over a coin toss?!! Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #262

And isn't it telling. . . . markpkessinger Feb 2016 #266

They're playing HARD to get some hides and possible PPRs under their belts today. frylock Feb 2016 #269

DU has been so damn surreal for so long it's hard to remember when the majority of folks here Number23 Feb 2016 #268

+1 Hekate Feb 2016 #272

You're not unbiased, though. You've been supporting Hillary for AGES. closeupready Feb 2016 #273

I'd ask you to back that up but then that'd give you the illusion that I cared Number23 Feb 2016 #274

I deal in reality-based truths, not the fictions Hillary's supporters cast about, closeupready Feb 2016 #275

Then you would have seen the dozens of polls that showed this race tightening Number23 Feb 2016 #276

I'm done here - I don't think you are a bad person, and actually, closeupready Feb 2016 #277

It's almost as if MA & PA KETTLE were counting the delegates. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #287

LOL betsuni Feb 2016 #290