2016 Postmortem

PATRICK

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153. She is losing

Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:52 PM

Feb 2016

people who would have jumped ship to other centrist/known stars demonstrating a lack of ability to build voting numbers. Somewhat, but she could still power through a win. That of course is a guess based on whatever signs you also get from how insiders behave because they have better info than the rest of us, public opinion polls up the wazoo notwithstanding.

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Let THIS Headline Sink In... 'Poll: Hillary Clinton And Bernie Sanders Are Tied Nationally - CBSNews [View all] WillyT Feb 2016 OP

While still in bed this morning, turned on the tv and was greeted by this headline. jillan Feb 2016 #1

Clinton still ahead by 2 points HassleCat Feb 2016 #2

Do you not grasp the concepts of margin-of-error and "statistical tie"? kath Feb 2016 #7

Yes, I do HassleCat Feb 2016 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author bvf Feb 2016 #123

Friends don't let friends use the phrase "statistical tie"... PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #52

By the same token, Bernie outperforms Hillary against Trump, Rubio & Cruz by 5 points. reformist2 Feb 2016 #11

Withn the margin of error. CentralMass Feb 2016 #17

Clinton down by double digiits since Bernie was seen on the NATIONAL STAGE. Wait 'till after sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #33

^ This. AzDar Feb 2016 #39

Indeed!!! And they're responding Plucketeer Feb 2016 #62

I wondered about that also. but yes, OWS was the first sign that the citizenry were aware sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #63

100% agree Plucketeer Feb 2016 #71

You always seem to nail it. I don't even have to write anything, I just need to follow you rhett o rick Feb 2016 #109

I couldn't agree more with you and Sabrina more� tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #121

+1000! Nt tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #120

You are right about Bernie's motivation and impact, Sabrina senz Feb 2016 #128

"The difference between a politician and a public servant." HUGE difference. senz Feb 2016 #125

That has always been the way I have seen Bernie. pangaia Feb 2016 #126

Yes, he chose public service as the best available means to live out his ideals. senz Feb 2016 #130

Kenny G is a schlock soprano sax player. pangaia Feb 2016 #131

lol, great Bernista minds think alike. senz Feb 2016 #133

Man, your story is almost a dupe of Dorkzilla, :>)) pangaia Feb 2016 #150

Well that's an honor. :) senz Feb 2016 #165

I found it.. shots of the percussionists... pangaia Feb 2016 #170

Thank you so much for the video. I was referring to live performances senz Feb 2016 #171

GREAT questions.. pangaia Feb 2016 #172

A couple of our classical musicians senz Feb 2016 #173

I am also an admirer of jazz-especially smooth jazz Duckfan Feb 2016 #137

I heard all thjose guys in the city when I was "coming of age." pangaia Feb 2016 #149

lol, he had his back turned the time I saw him, too, and I felt hurt by it senz Feb 2016 #166

That's why they ignored him. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #75

The more who know him, the more support him. Duval Feb 2016 #94

Reducing a 30 point gap to 2, in 6 weeks. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #40

Bernie has obviously plateaued Mnpaul Feb 2016 #122

You can tell there's an earthquake happening. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #127

Read about margin of error! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #155

See my response above HassleCat Feb 2016 #163

Mm. I predict that Larry Wilmore will be doing another "interview with Clinton staffer" winter is coming Feb 2016 #3

Those skits are priceless! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #10

That was one of the funniest skits I've ever seen! n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #91

It was! Here's the video in case some haven't seen it yet: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #92

Good idea. More people need to see this. It is so spot on! JimDandy Feb 2016 #98

"if that's your position then I will talk only to white people..." cui bono Feb 2016 #100

I don't buy it. cali Feb 2016 #4

I can't wait for Super Tuesday to be over hack89 Feb 2016 #5

You can start getting concerned. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #16

So Bernie has pulled even in every Super Tuesday state? hack89 Feb 2016 #18

Said no one but you . . . Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #22

But you implied the state polls are changing. hack89 Feb 2016 #26

Not all polls are external polls. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #29

Did you see the latest Boston Globe poll on New Hampshire? hack89 Feb 2016 #30

Link please nt dorkzilla Feb 2016 #49

Sure hack89 Feb 2016 #55

Yeah I got it off the website dorkzilla Feb 2016 #58

You didn't read the entire thread did you? A Simple Game Feb 2016 #117

A link for a STRAWMAN? That's a new one. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #110

How can the race be even nationally hack89 Feb 2016 #111

STRAWMAN argument means that you put forth a defence for an argument that rhett o rick Feb 2016 #112

So you agree he is still behind in the Super Tuesday states? hack89 Feb 2016 #113

Those 2 things will likely happen at different times. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #53

I am sure it will be ugly all the way to the convention hack89 Feb 2016 #57

To be tied nationally Bernie has to be leading in some states. totodeinhere Feb 2016 #134

I am with Nate Silver on this hack89 Feb 2016 #145

I respect Nate but I disagree to a point. National polls if nothing else have a psychological effect totodeinhere Feb 2016 #159

But we do not hold a national primary hack89 Feb 2016 #161

National polls do not reflect a general election demographic. totodeinhere Feb 2016 #162

We will see hack89 Feb 2016 #164

Primaries are all about expectations. If Bernie loses South Carolina but comes closer than totodeinhere Feb 2016 #168

"Rationality" meaning we all love hillary? Nt Logical Feb 2016 #156

No. The end of this Lord of the Flies phase we are going through hack89 Feb 2016 #160

The unstoppable train is having trouble with it's overloaded baggage car. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #6

Love this! kath Feb 2016 #9

The wheels are starting to come off the train. PonyUp Feb 2016 #15

Looks to me like the train has left the station (sort of). n/t dgibby Feb 2016 #103

while the bridge is being washed out because ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #20

lulz corkhead Feb 2016 #38

Buster Keaton: "The Secretary" Mike__M Feb 2016 #61

Good analogy. I see what you did there... eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #90

hehe... cui bono Feb 2016 #102

A little late but neverforget Feb 2016 #115

They lost Hillary's crown on the way to the coronation! Odin2005 Feb 2016 #138

Camp Weathervane will claim it's an outlier. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #8

Or we can point to the latest NH polls that show Hillary surging hack89 Feb 2016 #31

Yes, she's closing the gap. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #35

The primaries start and end on Super Tuesday hack89 Feb 2016 #44

Hillary will do well in the Southeast primaries... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #47

So will Bernie's hack89 Feb 2016 #54

Bernie raised $3m in 24 hrs following Iowa caucus. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #59

He has no organization hack89 Feb 2016 #60

No organization? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #64

How many days did he spend in Iowa? hack89 Feb 2016 #65

No more than Clinton. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #67

Rallies =/= organizing hack89 Feb 2016 #70

Had enough to tie Hillary in Iowa. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #78

You need to start linking to some state polls hack89 Feb 2016 #80

You have in your last two posts pangaia Feb 2016 #83

That's nice. nt hack89 Feb 2016 #84

Hold On there toothless dragon Feb 2016 #68

Only in the sense that she is not going to run out of money hack89 Feb 2016 #72

They're already running low on money. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #76

She has more money on hand then Bernie does. nt hack89 Feb 2016 #79

And she's burning through it much quicker. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #81

She will have all that she needs hack89 Feb 2016 #82

Wall St already cut off Jeb's funding. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #85

Not in the New Hampshire poll hack89 Feb 2016 #87

Worked really well in 2008. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #143

Obama had a large and effective organization in place early hack89 Feb 2016 #146

Bernie has been setting up a large and effective organization in place as well. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #147

There is no evidence of it hack89 Feb 2016 #148

Bullshit. NH doesn't have to be a tie with Bernie having been SO far ahead, and he lives next door. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #118

where? Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #157

Kicking and bouncing for Bernie!!! PonyUp Feb 2016 #12

So, since I have all the Hillary cheerleaders on Ignore, Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #13

Nah, they're busy trumpeting the one where Clinton is only down by 15 in NH. jeff47 Feb 2016 #21

"Only down by 15 in NH." Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #23

'Tis just a scratch" n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #41

OvertimePolitics Robbins Feb 2016 #46

As in Iowa, Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #48

Don't for get Poland! catnhatnh Feb 2016 #97

k&r krawhitham Feb 2016 #14

It's a brand new day. dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #19

This is why you never let anyone else tell you what "reality" is AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #24

What worries me... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #25

Looks fine and dandy SheenaR Feb 2016 #27

Let this sink in - Boston Globe-Suffolk University New Hampshire Poll-Sanders 50% Clinton 41% hack89 Feb 2016 #28

OMG did anyone predict this would happen? FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #32

That's amazing ... Considering ... Trajan Feb 2016 #36

omg. Holy wtf I didn't see that coming. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #37

We'll see more donations and more big endorsements Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #158

If you listened to Hillary supporters... jham123 Feb 2016 #42

K&R the electorate can see through HRC's lies and ties to interests that harm the 99% amborin Feb 2016 #43

Of course now polls are meaningless Lordquinton Feb 2016 #45

Can you imagine the Shitstorm that's raging right now at Weathervain Central.....? Indepatriot Feb 2016 #50

As people hear his message they usually turn into a supporter! Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #51

K & R! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #56

Is this Sanders' real honest-to-goodness ceiling? shawn703 Feb 2016 #66

I hear they're 'reality-based'.... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #73

Wait... have we plateaued yet? kenfrequed Feb 2016 #69

Like sinking into UglyGreed Feb 2016 #74

Can you say outlier poll FloridaBlues Feb 2016 #77

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #86

Those polls never matched what was on the ground in my city. JimDandy Feb 2016 #88

K&R. No wonder Clinton was so angry last night. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #89

Obama lacked the passion to fight them. Utopian Leftist Feb 2016 #107

Nailed It billhicks76 Feb 2016 #116

It is said that after the 2008 election, strategery blunder Feb 2016 #140

And he will continue to pull ahead of her... SoapBox Feb 2016 #93

K&R! Brings a smile! nt Duval Feb 2016 #95

K&R n/t warrprayer Feb 2016 #96

That makes sense katmondoo Feb 2016 #99

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #101

What I love in that poll is that it also shows Sanders does better against the GOP. basselope Feb 2016 #104

Our day will come . . . Utopian Leftist Feb 2016 #105

I love it. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #106

Oh, The Misogyny! Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #108

Wow That Was Fast billhicks76 Feb 2016 #114

They do. hifiguy Feb 2016 #119

Remember when "certain individuals" were shoving polls down our throats daily? senz Feb 2016 #124

Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #132

Here is the thing that the Clinton camp does not want to hear. Bernie's recent surge has much to do totodeinhere Feb 2016 #135

CBS reporting on the Quinnipiac poll. Beacool Feb 2016 #136

Reuters/Ipsos also reporting similar numbers. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #139

Chelsea got it right a couple days ago madokie Feb 2016 #141

That is how Chelsea lost Helen Borg Feb 2016 #142

Probably worse madokie Feb 2016 #144

Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Feb 2016 #151

Yep she's peaked Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #152

She is losing PATRICK Feb 2016 #153

Yes!!! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #154

This is such a happy thread I could hug it. senz Feb 2016 #167

Good to know. nt LWolf Feb 2016 #169