2016 Postmortem

NanceGreggs

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42. So it's "pandering" ...

Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:40 AM

Feb 2016

... to say that she wants to build on the legacy of a very successful president - a president she campaigned for, and served under as SoS?

What should she be saying about Obama, according to you? That she never liked him, disagrees with his policies, and wants to take the country in a completely different direction?

HRC and Obama have worked closely together and are friends. She' be a damned fool to NOT campaign on wanting to follow his very remarkable and productive presidency.

"Clinton ran against Obama."

And your point is what? Bernie is running against HRC. If she becomes POTUS, does that count against Bernie in some way? Would that mean he'd done something wrong by running against her?

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Sanders: 'One of us ran against Obama; I was not that candidate' [View all] Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 OP

She sure threw the kitchen sink at Obama to stop him. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #1

OUCH DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #2

yeah or carrying Sanders' bags... Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #8

Did Bill Clinton say that about Obama? SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #112

Running against someone who ISN'T President isn't the same.... brooklynite Feb 2016 #3

Yes, it means you have a strongly different viewpoint for how the country should be led. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #9

Ya think? Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #21

Being president does not put a person above critique AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #45

Bernie supported and campaigned for Obama in 2012 jfern Feb 2016 #48

And she ran a racist campaign at that. azmom Feb 2016 #4

Exactly... and now she can't wrap herself tight enough with Obama. in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #15

so transparent; at one point during 2008 she even hinted at his assassination amborin Feb 2016 #49

nah now they are best buds Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #51

I agree. She has absolutely no shame. She lies with such ease. nt in_cog_ni_to Feb 2016 #53

That will sting for a long time... SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #5

That was just weird Empowerer Feb 2016 #6

Only one of them called for Obama to be primaried... SidDithers Feb 2016 #7

And why did he do that? tk2kewl Feb 2016 #12

Nobody did that. But you knew that. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #23

The one who gives a shit about people like me. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #61

so fucking what. nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #73

So Sanders should make sure he tells everyone in SC and NV and the SEC states that he wanted the fir uponit7771 Feb 2016 #95

Why does it matter that he was the first black president in the context of this? Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #111

Because a good portion of the people he'll be talking to are black.... now, my question I asked ... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #117

Per your question Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #122

Rec! bravenak Feb 2016 #124

But she had the support of "hard-working Americans, white Americans" RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #10

She made a lot of references to the coal industry tonight...What was that about? EndElectoral Feb 2016 #11

Their check cleared? Just a guess... AzDar Feb 2016 #20

LOL nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #24

Hahaha!! I was going to offer a more analytical response, but... RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #25

Yes - I was wondering that too!! That deserves it's own thread. What was that? jillan Feb 2016 #37

didn't see debate; just guessing w/o knowing what she said; to attract white male miners in south? amborin Feb 2016 #50

That was a really dumb statement on BS's part. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #13

I think he was pointing out the ludicrousness of the Hillary meme. And, it worked perfectly. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #26

No, it didn't. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #32

Please. jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #35

So it's "pandering" ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #42

She and you could do one key thing. jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #56

Where did I imply ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #62

I don't know if you implied this jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #74

Bernie does want to dismantle Obamacare. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #76

Wrong. Lordquinton Feb 2016 #86

No, not wrong. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #87

You mean the Affordable Care Act? Obamacare is actually an 'artful' smear generated by the GOP. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #108

Uh, he's for MEDICARE-for-All, not medicaid. Dawgs Feb 2016 #116

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #64

The root of Sanders campaign meme is Obama was a disaster, they don't think he was successful uponit7771 Feb 2016 #96

Bull! I do believe you just dissed a majority of DU members since they both supported Obama Live and Learn Feb 2016 #105

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #63

Keep telling yourself that. The line was a death blow to Hillary's Obama lover "southern strategy" mhatrw Feb 2016 #41

Well, according to DU ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #44

Yep. She and her army of corporate and bankster lobbyists are undead. mhatrw Feb 2016 #52

Bernie is the current front-runner. Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #55

I think for quite a while now. Why should only one DUer get all the glory? LOL nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #67

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #65

And saying Bernie called to have Obama primaried wasn't childish, petty and nonsensical? Live and Learn Feb 2016 #68

Its a fact, he did it more than once too... link inside uponit7771 Feb 2016 #97

He didn't call for anyone to primary anybody. He claimed we should use the Democracy we have to Live and Learn Feb 2016 #103

He is a member now. dchill Feb 2016 #91

Oh, I like Democrats very much. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #94

So you agree that we should hold everything you have said against you should you ever run as Live and Learn Feb 2016 #104

I really think she did the same with the Kissinger. Arguing foreign policy is not his strongpoint... bettyellen Feb 2016 #90

Do you really? Kissinger?? Anyone arguing Kissinger's foreign policy needs to be dismissed. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #106

�Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people.� polly7 Feb 2016 #114

"To equate that with wanting to primary a sitting Democratic president is beyond ludicrous." RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #29

It has nothing to do with ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #34

Independent thinking. Who needs it jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #36

Choose a party leader and follow them no matter what? NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #54

I don't know. jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #66

Oh no - Bernie was against TPP! So he stood up to the President! We don't live in China. jillan Feb 2016 #38

Who exactly did that? It sure wasn't Bernie. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #69

Well, we all know primary challenges of sitting presidents work out GREAT for the party in power... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #98

He didn't CALL to have him primaried. In answer to a question, he claimed that it wouldn't Live and Learn Feb 2016 #107

nope, he did... multiple times, its a Sanders camp meme that it was only once uponit7771 Feb 2016 #118

Bull! nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #128

You lose credibility more and more every day. nt Logical Feb 2016 #58

So says an anonmymous guy on the internet ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #60

Anonmymous? Are you just making up words now too in addition to memes? nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #70

Oooh, a typo! NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #72

I take it you agree on both accounts, then. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #78

That a typo means an automatic loss ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #81

That you make up memes, like you just did again. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #82

If you want to count a typo ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #88

Why are you so hung up on the typo? You are missing the point. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #92

This is false on its face uponit7771 Feb 2016 #99

What face is that? nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #109

If she is gonna wrap herself in the Obama flag... TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #14

That'd be fine since he choose her as SoS... Obama didn't take it that personally then I'm not eithe uponit7771 Feb 2016 #101

With the subtle digs against Obama coming from Camp Clinton, they really have nerve. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #16

I loved that comeback! John Poet Feb 2016 #17

I love Bernie's expressions of disbelief as she spews her bullshit... he shows enormous restraint. AzDar Feb 2016 #18

Bernie really looked horrible there taught_me_patience Feb 2016 #19

He's sick. Did you hear his cough? His chest and sinus congestion are audible. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #22

It was directly in response to his criticism of Obama. phleshdef Feb 2016 #30

Yet, talking about Hillary's looks is sexist? You guys are too much. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #71

He always looks that way. Count me as not charmed by his rage. n/t livetohike Feb 2016 #115

Instead of waving his finger, Bernie needs to hold up a sign that says "Lies" or "Bullshit" EndElectoral Feb 2016 #27

LOL! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #113

I didn't really see his point there BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #28

The point was, she is using POTUS to legitimize Myrina Feb 2016 #125

That's what I meant about it being half-formed BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #127

That sure was a stupid comment from Sanders. just plain stupid riversedge Feb 2016 #31

It's kinda weird and creepy watching Team Hill use Obama that way Hydra Feb 2016 #33

Iran and Syria, what will the policy be? jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #39

"we all know"? FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #40

You could always try reading about it Hydra Feb 2016 #43

did you read it in an Ed Klein book? rbrnmw Feb 2016 #46

Drudge Report. n/t zappaman Feb 2016 #93

FrenchieCat, you know all of this, you taught it to all of us!!!!!! 2008 quotes from you!!! Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #119

That wasn't a good response Renew Deal Feb 2016 #47

No...but Bernie did actively say someone should run against him in 2012. Drunken Irishman Feb 2016 #57

Too bad Bernie didn't. I'd have voted for him. nt Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #59

Which made sense Geronimoe Feb 2016 #75

It made no sense. Drunken Irishman Feb 2016 #77

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2016 #102

Yes, that was the same time Obama put SS on the table Oilwellian Feb 2016 #85

It is a good thing pugetres Feb 2016 #79

He wasn't explicit enough. He could have pointed out that he has never gone as negative on Obama... JVS Feb 2016 #80

That's all he had to say to cause flashbacks. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #83

She didn't just run against him, either. merrily Feb 2016 #84

So he brings up 8 years ago or 50 years (!!!) when it comes to foreign policy while avoiding today? bettyellen Feb 2016 #89

oh my god, I can hardly stand to listen to Hillary's horrible rendering of history... shame whereisjustice Feb 2016 #100

20/20 Hindsight Skid Rogue Feb 2016 #110

Ted Kennedy wanted to primary a sitting Democratic president. BKH70041 Feb 2016 #120

This tactic by Hillary was her lowest point in the debate. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #121

Isnt that what he's doing now? bravenak Feb 2016 #123

She was in that race before Obama KingFlorez Feb 2016 #126