2016 Postmortem

casperthegm

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105. PP does a lot of good things for a lot of people

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:27 PM

Feb 2016

Which is why it is such a shame that they caved to political favoritism. Again, never, in the history of PP have they endorsed a candidate during the primaries. Why change now? Political favors. I challenge anyone to deny that.

We're seeing the Clinton establishment machine at work, left and right. What we're looking for is a level, unbiased playing field. That should be what this party can hang it's hat on, but we're seeing political favoritism and Wall Street money running wild in our own party. At least for one candidate. And we're going to call out those who are a part of the problem.

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Planned Parenthood going on-air for Hillary Clinton in NV [View all] bigtree Feb 2016 OP

Excellent! boston bean Feb 2016 #1

Odd. I can't think of a better way to alienate millions of donors. Vinca Feb 2016 #2

I've stopped giving. earthside Feb 2016 #11

That oughta put a dent in their proceeds. oasis Feb 2016 #126

The point is I have my principles. earthside Feb 2016 #135

The right wing loonies have attacked PP for decades. PP held oasis Feb 2016 #138

At the moment PP exists for Clinton's sake Armstead Feb 2016 #155

Hillary Clinton has a wide array of long-developed, working relationships. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #195

If Clinton is elected we're in for right years of gridlock Armstead Feb 2016 #197

Where is this money coming from? broiles Feb 2016 #154

Planned Parenthood is separate from the PP Action Fund. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #157

Yup. peace13 Feb 2016 #31

I was so pissed, I stopped giving too. mainer Feb 2016 #42

They are shooting themselves in the foot. Merryland Feb 2016 #46

"Hundreds of thousands will stop donating"!!!!! oasis Feb 2016 #127

Just those with a vindictive streak, perhaps. Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #117

YESSSSS!!! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #3

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #8

And she could "compromise" Merryland Feb 2016 #59

Yes, that was what I was referring to. Wiggle Room on the abortion issue. Republican Lite. libdem4life Feb 2016 #61

Yep. Merryland Feb 2016 #70

Well, it is Republican Lite time amongst the formerly respectable Left. libdem4life Feb 2016 #82

Out of the shadows they slink... Merryland Feb 2016 #86

Indeed they do. libdem4life Feb 2016 #94

Jealousy is not a good character trait. riversedge Feb 2016 #115

Absolutely agree. Now, back to the subject at hand...any intelligent comments? libdem4life Feb 2016 #116

Self styled progressives? pinebox Feb 2016 #33

What are you afraid of? The quid pro quo of PP getting more federal funding if Clinton is elected? PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #36

Corruption is corruption TriplD Feb 2016 #190

Um, no. They are totally separate organizations. PPFA and PPAF. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #191

Their own fault. n/t Merryland Feb 2016 #48

They deserve to be, for this betrayal of many of their supporters Armstead Feb 2016 #158

Even though she recently said she'd consider a Constitutional Amendment limiting choice. merrily Feb 2016 #4

My instantaneous point. Wonder how that will fly? Oh right, it's an inconvenient fact libdem4life Feb 2016 #6

Apparently, it's already flown with PP. I can't imagine they are unaware of it. merrily Feb 2016 #7

yes once the door is closed on 3rd term abortions (by hc) questionseverything Feb 2016 #160

A) That was last fall so 'recently' is a bit subjective PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #14

Just last fall? Merryland Feb 2016 #87

Yeah, what was I thinking? Given how fast Hillary "evolves, last fall was eons ago. merrily Feb 2016 #188

I wonder how many people know Merryland Feb 2016 #53

This needs to be put up in neon lights- Merryland Feb 2016 #76

PP is backing this woman? Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #5

A "feminist" who doesn't consider abortion a right loyalsister Feb 2016 #9

Again, the elite who run PP Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #13

So, who decides that the mother's life/health is at risk? lasttrip Feb 2016 #136

It is like the remark she made that abortion should be "legal and rare" Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #139

Who gets to determine rare,.. lasttrip Feb 2016 #142

THAT I do not understand dana_b Feb 2016 #159

Disappointed in Planned Parenthood casperthegm Feb 2016 #10

Planned Parenthood made a mistake! Pattib7969 Feb 2016 #12

You will no longer support PP because of this endorsement? uppityperson Feb 2016 #72

Right. I will no longer support Planned Parenthood unless they withdraw their endorsement. Merryland Feb 2016 #80

Even though they need support more than ever. Penalize all who they help because of this? uppityperson Feb 2016 #90

If they want my money Merryland Feb 2016 #101

Because penalizing women's health is a politically convenient thing to do. uppityperson Feb 2016 #108

Planned Parenthood did this to themselves. Beowulf Feb 2016 #163

I agree. There are a lot of women who are not necessarily HRC fans. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #183

PP wants it both ways Beowulf Feb 2016 #185

PP does a lot of good things for a lot of people casperthegm Feb 2016 #105

If they need support more than ever, they shouldn't be poking sticks in eyes of PP supporters who... Armstead Feb 2016 #161

You mean like me? I wish they hadn't done this, but will also continue to volunteer for, work for, uppityperson Feb 2016 #187

Good, if you believe in what they do. Armstead Feb 2016 #189

I do very much and also agree they shouldn't have done this. uppityperson Feb 2016 #193

I'm quite sure you'll allege to have supported them in the past. LanternWaste Feb 2016 #103

look up-thread at all the other "progressives" whose feelings were so hurt they have elected to also DrDan Feb 2016 #144

Yes because even republican women have vaginas. Women's healthcare should have nothing to do with jillan Feb 2016 #198

What alternative will you offer to young women and men who use them for contraception, STD exams and uppityperson Feb 2016 #202

My reaction as well... one_voice Feb 2016 #207

Oh here go the attacks on PP again on a Democratic message board. JTFrog Feb 2016 #29

I could agree with you... casperthegm Feb 2016 #38

Bullshit. JTFrog Feb 2016 #41

Well that's not very nice casperthegm Feb 2016 #65

I'd pretend it's anger too LanternWaste Feb 2016 #106

I'll send them more... one_voice Feb 2016 #208

Same. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #210

I have been a supporter of PP for over 25 years. peace13 Feb 2016 #52

Yes, STUPID endorsement Pattib7969 Feb 2016 #57

^^^ Agreed! ^^^ Kittycat Feb 2016 #165

Her daughter is a paid staffer for HRC. libdem4life Feb 2016 #96

Maybe they can explain how universal healthcare isn't a need. delrem Feb 2016 #15

and why Hillary opposes Gillebrand's family leave plan, thesquanderer Feb 2016 #182

K&R mcar Feb 2016 #16

Some of the responses in this thread are shameful. Cecile Richards is a powerhouse and PP PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #17

+1 jcgoldie Feb 2016 #18

I am just so fucking sick of everyone who supports HRC swiftly deemed a sworn "enemy". PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #20

No, sorry...Hillary went all Republican Lite on abortion while PP endorsed for the First Time during libdem4life Feb 2016 #102

lol PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #109

I have no idea which video you are referring to. Here, I'll make it a bit clearer. A day or two ago. libdem4life Feb 2016 #113

How and why did what happen? PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #120

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #128

Dramatic? Dramatic is holding back support of PP over this endorsement. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #129

I agree... quickesst Feb 2016 #19

yup. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #21

it's like a drive to marginalize the progressive movement bigtree Feb 2016 #22

And none of that changes the fact that Clinton says she supports jeff47 Feb 2016 #23

. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #24

Does your sign change either of those facts? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #25

Does writing off PP and/or NARAL because they support a DEMOCRATIC candidate make sense? PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #27

I couldn't believe when NARAL called with a survey! peace13 Feb 2016 #75

JFC, how is is manipulative that they endorse and work hard to get a Democrat elected? PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #81

Read what I wrote. Read! peace13 Feb 2016 #88

JFC = Jesus Fucking Christ PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #93

+1 n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #104

That's what PP did to me ... earthside Feb 2016 #148

I get it. It's all about you and hurting your feelings. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #150

My feelings are't hurt. earthside Feb 2016 #153

Your concern has been noted. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #156

Sanders still supports PP and would probably be ashamed of his supporters who don't. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #175

I support Planned Parenthood. earthside Feb 2016 #177

I am glad PP stands by ALL women and reproductive choice-even as you toss them under the bus riversedge Feb 2016 #179

Oh Look! It's Hillary kicking pregnant women who want an abortion under the bus. jillan Feb 2016 #199

Her record proves otherwise. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #200

And her words say something else. jillan Feb 2016 #203

That's a distortion. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #204

What's shameful is they're not supporting the millions of women Fawke Em Feb 2016 #28

They're supporting a Democrat who fully supports them. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #30

They're going to look very ineffective and toothless when the Democrat who fully supports them.. frylock Feb 2016 #37

Your concern is noted. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #40

I'm not in the least bit concerned how badly PP looks in all this. frylock Feb 2016 #122

And they could have waiting until there was a nominee. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #45

No, they are not. They are supporting a candidate who has fought for women her whole life. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #54

What tripe! Fawke Em Feb 2016 #60

mmmm hmmm. poor you PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #63

Poor yourself. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #67

That's awesome that he supports repeal, too. And single payer. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #68

Well, they endorsed your candidate, so you weren't slapped. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #74

They are both good, strong, women supporting Democrats and, as such, both 'mine'. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #83

Exactly farleftlib Feb 2016 #77

And Cecile Richards' daughter works for Hillary Merryland Feb 2016 #73

So what? And her mother was the amazing Ann Richards. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #78

So what? Hillary supports compromise on abortion rights. Merryland Feb 2016 #84

No, she doesn't. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #85

Yes, she does. See the below quote. Merryland Feb 2016 #89

That was my point, as well, that you missed apparently. Hillary did one of her flip flops. libdem4life Feb 2016 #124

If PP wants to play primary politics, then they have to accept the consequences. earthside Feb 2016 #137

If their support of someone causes you to be divided, that's on you. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #140

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #147

Criticize away. Withdraw support? Really fucking dumb. Planned Parenthood is separate from the PPAC PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #152

That's NOT their damn job to scuttle candidate who support them Armstead Feb 2016 #162

This is the political arm of Planned Parenthood so political action is their entire reason to exist. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #164

Like I said above, it depends on the race Armstead Feb 2016 #166

That's the silliest that keeps happening. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #167

One person wins. The other loses. Politics 101. Armstead Feb 2016 #169

I think Sanders himself would be ashamed of that response from his supporters. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #174

He had to be political and tactful in public. We don't Armstead Feb 2016 #180

I'm a Sanders supporter and so mad, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, gonna... uppityperson Feb 2016 #192

They really should stay out of this. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #26

Anyone who quits supporting PP over an endorsement is no supporter of PP. JTFrog Feb 2016 #32

mmmm hmmm. It's awful. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #34

No excuse for it on a supposed liberal democratic website. JTFrog Feb 2016 #44

And if PP tries to show their liberal bona fides by slapping me in the face, it's OK? Fawke Em Feb 2016 #50

You poor thing. JTFrog Feb 2016 #56

I'm a WOMAN. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #62

Men and women who need these health services put THEMSELVES in this position? JTFrog Feb 2016 #97

You really haven't said... peace13 Feb 2016 #64

I know you weren't address me, but I'll add to this: Fawke Em Feb 2016 #71

Well put. peace13 Feb 2016 #79

For over 15 years I have donated to PP. JTFrog Feb 2016 #91

I appreciate your comment. peace13 Feb 2016 #111

Like I said above... JTFrog Feb 2016 #112

There is no shortage of places in need. peace13 Feb 2016 #194

I'm supposed to give them money they'll turn around and give to Clinton? Fawke Em Feb 2016 #47

Oh for fuck's sake. They disrespected you????? JTFrog Feb 2016 #51

Yes. They did. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #55

Words from Hillary's OWN mouth: Merryland Feb 2016 #95

Planned Parenthood is separate from the PP Action Fund. tammywammy Feb 2016 #110

They aren't going to hear you. JTFrog Feb 2016 #114

The best part of this endorsement is how ineffectual it will be. frylock Feb 2016 #35

There are several posters who should be ashamed of their posts in this thread. JTFrog Feb 2016 #39

well said DrDan Feb 2016 #145

Poseurs, all. OilemFirchen Feb 2016 #171

Doesn't the daughter of the Planned Parenthood director Merryland Feb 2016 #43

Freedom of speech KingFlorez Feb 2016 #49

She must really be in trouble in Nevada... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #58

support = trouble? bigtree Feb 2016 #107

Yes...especially since this is a first for PP hoosierlib Feb 2016 #118

Are they going to at least beedle Feb 2016 #66

They have never once demonized Sanders. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #69

Exactly. n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #98

I never once said they did. beedle Feb 2016 #119

Um... the massive attacks against them for the past few decades, I imagine. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #121

By bernie and/or Democratic candidates? beedle Feb 2016 #130

no. Holy shit, not every fucking support of HRC is not anti-Bernie. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #132

Again, who said that? beedle Feb 2016 #146

They strongly support Clinton and go into great, explicit detail as to why they do. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #149

I never said they did. beedle Feb 2016 #212

Here are their reasons: PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #213

Both have a 100% rating. beedle Feb 2016 #214

Did you click the link? I think not. They state that fact and the specific reasons why. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #215

Yes I read it beedle Feb 2016 #216

OK, I get it. You're not interested in hearing their reasons, only in thinking you're super clever PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #217

They clearly explained why they support Hillary over Bernie tammywammy Feb 2016 #170

Thank you for this. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #172

Had PP endorsed Sanders, this thread wouldn't be about how awful stopbush Feb 2016 #92

Not only that, but the endorsement was over 5 weeks ago. Anyone who cares about PP or women's PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #99

It is a call between right and wrong not who was endorsed. peace13 Feb 2016 #100

Great! workinclasszero Feb 2016 #123

Women are going to win this one for Hillary. oasis Feb 2016 #125

No, we're not. Merryland Feb 2016 #133

Sure we are. n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #141

Try... dchill Feb 2016 #131

That's unfortunate...Shouldn't have endorsed until we have a Nominee. AzDar Feb 2016 #134

This is great news Gothmog Feb 2016 #143

Sure wish I could get my financial support back! Had I known it would be wasted in the primary Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #151

Did you donate to Planned Parenthood or their Action Fund? tammywammy Feb 2016 #173

Why the hell would they give her money to fight a 100% rating dem in the primary? Kittycat Feb 2016 #168

Yup. And money they spend now to help defeat a 100% supportive opponent... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #181

Bingo! Kittycat Feb 2016 #186

whoopie ;) mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #176

K for the evening readers riversedge Feb 2016 #178

Yay! Political vindictiveness resulting in misogynistic collective punishment! kjones Feb 2016 #184

Women's healthcare is not political. Just ask Susan Komen. Women do not put up with jillan Feb 2016 #201

Really? "Cause that's what it looks like in here... kjones Feb 2016 #206

How I wish the Bernie camp would run an ad with her comments to Chucky on abortion. jillan Feb 2016 #196

The difference is that Bernie has never denied women their reproductive rights... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #205

Looks like PP wants it's donations to dry up. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #209

It was a mistake for PP to endorse one Democrat over another. kiva Feb 2016 #211