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Yog-Sothoth

(29 posts)
198. Yes
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

"Clinton is a sure loser.she is already losing in polls.her support will never go up."
^^^ Wrong. Clinton is an incredibly strong GE candidate as her positions are reasonable and can appeal to a winning portion of the electorate. That's not true of Sanders's positions. They are too extreme.

The Republicans are well aware of these two facts. This is why their pundits push Sanders.


"you and fellow clinton supports have bashed most of DU membership is majority support bernie here"
^^^ Not going to comment further to this bait for an e-fight.


"Clinton is war mongor who is loves kissinger.clinton better on foregin policy my ass."
^^^ This appears to be a poorly-informed comment.

However Sanders's out-of-the-blue criticism of Kissinger on stage with Clinton was an appeal to the uninformed...

Kissinger is a very controversial figure and is criticized for many good reasons. But of course Sanders doesn't like Kissinger...

Kissinger was a realist, pragmatist, and he fought the expansion of the Soviet Union where Sanders spent one of his honeymoons.

Also:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/12/politics/democratic-debate-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-kissinger/
"His writings and advice on geopolitics remain required reading in the foreign policy community in the United States and overseas."

...Sanders on the other hand has previously introduced a bill to shut off our nuclear program, doesn't know who runs North Korea, and thinks Saudi Arabia and Iran are going to magically become allies to defeat ISIS when they are mortal enemies.

Not good.

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... TBF Feb 2016 #246
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I doubt if some of the anti-Hills ever voted for a Democrat. oasis Feb 2016 #48
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THERE IS NOT DOUBT! ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #143
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A Sanders primary win will likely KILL the Democratic party off in the GE. Yog-Sothoth Feb 2016 #152
Wrong dana_b Feb 2016 #157
No. You're wrong. Yog-Sothoth Feb 2016 #165
"because I say so" dana_b Feb 2016 #167
Not because I say so... Yog-Sothoth Feb 2016 #200
Sanders has plenty of highly regarded economists supporting his trade and economic stillwaiting Feb 2016 #174
This isn't accurate Yog-Sothoth Feb 2016 #202
Your opinions are horrifying. stillwaiting Feb 2016 #204
I'm sorry you feel that way Yog-Sothoth Feb 2016 #208
that person isn't a dem Robbins Feb 2016 #217
Excuse me? Yog-Sothoth Feb 2016 #220
I have been voting semocratic for 24 years Robbins Feb 2016 #229
Well, I'll never see their tripe here again. stillwaiting Feb 2016 #221
no Robbins Feb 2016 #183
Yes Yog-Sothoth Feb 2016 #198
clinton Robbins Feb 2016 #215
I'll stick around d_b Feb 2016 #154
there are plenty of forums here and many issues to discuss restorefreedom Feb 2016 #160
I'll vote for her but nothing else... vi5 Feb 2016 #162
Won't even come close to killing du. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #163
Just the way GWB's 2000 election killed of DU. n/t Orsino Feb 2016 #164
I, for one, will come back. I mostly lurk now redstateblues Feb 2016 #169
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From your lips... RiverLover Feb 2016 #207
It'd get real quiet around here, for certain. [nt] Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #179
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I'll return after Hillary loses the General Election n/t Oilwellian Feb 2016 #192
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Bullcrap Robbins Feb 2016 #197
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it would kill the entire Democratic party! amborin Feb 2016 #222
80%? Perhaps Tarc Feb 2016 #223
bye felicia KMOD Feb 2016 #224
You beat me to it. Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #247
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so true steve2470 Feb 2016 #259
An "Underground" that starts carrying water for the establishment... 99Forever Feb 2016 #239
good thoughts, as usual. nt grasswire Feb 2016 #243
You speak for me. hifiguy Feb 2016 #261
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I doubt it. PeteSelman Feb 2016 #241
Vote for my candidate or else Dem2 Feb 2016 #244
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She will get stomped in the GE unless Cruz is the Repig nominee. hifiguy Feb 2016 #262
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the ones who left DU for jackpine? grasswire Feb 2016 #268
Read his post again Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #279
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