2016 Postmortem

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116. Odd, Hillary isn't a Democrat either

Reply to Kang Colby (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:31 PM

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The Democratic Establishment can't fight the GOP. But they sure can beat down the grassroots [View all] Armstead Feb 2016 OP

She'll never be president. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #1

+1000 GoneFishin Feb 2016 #134

Exactly what is going to happen. If it's Hillary/Trump, it is well likely that Trump will win IMO. RKP5637 Feb 2016 #152

I can hear his ads now, "I can't be bought... She already has been!"... Yurovsky Feb 2016 #171

Yep, exactly what you said, plus she will be Swift Boated like Kerry was, false or true, the RKP5637 Feb 2016 #174

They won't have to lie or spin. dchill Feb 2016 #177

Quite true! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #179

Trump says he gave money to Hillary. If he still has the canceled check, lob1 Feb 2016 #191

I hope Trump's people didn't read that! n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #198

Critical hit!! Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #225

I figured this long ago PatrynXX Feb 2016 #183

you are buying the beer on election night mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #187

If Hillary wins, I'll be drinking something with lots and lots of hops. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #224

The TRUTH About Hillary's Veracty Is Slowly Becoming Common Knowledge! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #2

Yeah, those grapes were probably sour any way. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #3

I'll admit it. I'm full of sour grapes Armstead Feb 2016 #6

It is shock and awe artislife Feb 2016 #4

Ain't that farleftlib Feb 2016 #5

It's almost like they let them change it back and forth every so often. Shandris Feb 2016 #7

The DNC doesn't care if the GOP takes the WH gyroscope Feb 2016 #8

The REAL "firewall"! They all lined up behind her from the beginning. Her Donors will or have Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #50

The smell of coffee warrprayer Feb 2016 #126

Absolutely true. Above all else they are the 0.1%. Republican and Democratic leadership alike GoneFishin Feb 2016 #135

Exactly... When you see folks making $145k becoming multi-millionaires.. Yurovsky Feb 2016 #173

Yep. I expect it from Republicans. It's a given that they are assholes. But when that behavior GoneFishin Feb 2016 #188

As I said before... freebrew Feb 2016 #203

I'm really beginning to think that. The highly monied PTB in the DNC are protecting their $$$$$'s. RKP5637 Feb 2016 #180

"Wish you could have been as effective against the GOP all these years." TheProgressive Feb 2016 #9

Sanders isn't even a Democrat. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #10

And all those millions who agree with him are also interlopers I suppose Armstead Feb 2016 #11

Nah, misguided or greedy. n/t Kang Colby Feb 2016 #16

Hillary Clinton Supporters complain about the Bernie Bros, malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #25

That's who I am referring to - bernie bros....n/t Kang Colby Feb 2016 #28

You are just like the Bernie Bros malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #30

Has it dawned on you that Bernie's voters LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #49

Probably doesn't care. That's the gist of the OP. jhart3333 Feb 2016 #59

Most Bernie supporters will come around for the GE and do the right thing and vote for Hillary. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #101

Perhaps the most misguidely wrong stupid tripe I've NRaleighLiberal Feb 2016 #113

+1 Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #162

the Tobin tax ultragreen Feb 2016 #122

No, your opinion is based on an emotional understanding of short term speculative Kang Colby Feb 2016 #133

LOL! sounds straight from zero hedge, more balderdash and gop talking points. are you one of th amborin Feb 2016 #140

Got it. If you don't understand it, then it's a GOP talking point. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #166

it's you who either doesn't understand it, or is speaking from narrow self-interestyu amborin Feb 2016 #168

Sure, bud. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #172

+1 Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #159

1) Republican talking point noted. cui bono Feb 2016 #181

That would certainly be true of the youth/millenial liberalhistorian Feb 2016 #202

Kang Colby's lecture, or Plutocrat 101 ultragreen Feb 2016 #118

Ugh huh. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #120

OMG, that takes the cake. k8conant Feb 2016 #132

Better dead than red huh? farleftlib Feb 2016 #12

Club politics are petty. bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #24

Dude you sound like Alex Jones. JRLeft Feb 2016 #26

not according to Joe Biden. LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #46

Next you'll tell us that FDR, JFK and LBJ were socialist idelogues... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Feb 2016 #67

Bernie's single-payer healthcare would be cheaper ultragreen Feb 2016 #125

Now I feel so guilty for his promise to make me truedelphi Feb 2016 #88

Heaven forbid anyone should appeal to those wanting quality of life! BuelahWitch Feb 2016 #91

My dog has as much chance of becoming president as Hillary 406-Boz Feb 2016 #110

Odd, Hillary isn't a Democrat either ultragreen Feb 2016 #116

Your Democratic Party is no longer the one I wish to support. That goes back to 1968. leveymg Feb 2016 #131

Humphrey would be considered "too liberal" todasy Armstead Feb 2016 #219

Is Sanders "giving us freebies" or "raising our taxes"? yodermon Feb 2016 #136

They aren't freebies. He wants to pay for them with tax hikes. CrispyQ Feb 2016 #156

Middle class Americans are paying astronomical sums in taxes already. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #167

Yes, we're paying Carolina Feb 2016 #221

Why are you spouting Republican talking points? cui bono Feb 2016 #182

sure he is stupidicus Feb 2016 #190

You do realize those are right wing talking points? rynestonecowboy Feb 2016 #217

Worlds smallest violin iandhr Feb 2016 #13

Thank you for providing a case in point Armstead Feb 2016 #15

No iandhr Feb 2016 #17

Thank you for another case in point Armstead Feb 2016 #18

How naive are you? iandhr Feb 2016 #23

You obviously aren't paying attention Armstead Feb 2016 #27

I LIVED in Vermont for four years. iandhr Feb 2016 #32

I've lived next to Vermont most of my life Armstead Feb 2016 #34

Not with stuff like this iandhr Feb 2016 #40

And if the activist had asked Clinton the same question you think the answer wold have been better? Armstead Feb 2016 #43

DH got $100,000 from Clinton, which explains amborin Feb 2016 #146

And there is no reason for accepting Clinton Nite Owl Feb 2016 #57

Nevada is representative of the country... tommcc99 Feb 2016 #111

here's what's so perplexing: amborin Feb 2016 #147

The world is not black and white. azmom Feb 2016 #31

Is that right? Loudestlib Feb 2016 #53

I support him yuiyoshida Feb 2016 #107

the current race of supporters is unimportant ultragreen Feb 2016 #129

I will repeat again: The Third Way does not care if they lose the general election. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #14

The GOP and DNC gyroscope Feb 2016 #21

Gore Vidal seems more and more prescient every day. donf Feb 2016 #82

Boom! BuelahWitch Feb 2016 #96

Yesh, she's gonna win. n/t OhZone Feb 2016 #19

President Cruz is the words we will hear. libtodeath Feb 2016 #20

Abnd if performance so far is any indication...Democrats will not give him any real challenge Armstead Feb 2016 #22

We wondered all these years what they were saving their powder for. Turns out it was us. Karmadillo Feb 2016 #29

Yep. They are spineless ninnies against the GOP, but tigers against reformers on the left side Armstead Feb 2016 #33

perfect response and obviously true. bbgrunt Feb 2016 #39

This. Thanks! LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #52

Yes they can. amazing the fight they have when Autumn Feb 2016 #35

Harry Reid let GOP beat the shit out of him in Congress, but he sure can play hardball against.... Armstead Feb 2016 #45

Its BS that they can't fight Republicans. They don't want to, they are part of the system AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #36

Yes she has Robbins Feb 2016 #37

And by "beat back the grassroots" you mean "convince voters to support another candidate" brooklynite Feb 2016 #38

No..This is different than a primary battle between candidates Armstead Feb 2016 #42

Some are just conservative corporatist types so naturally they support Hillary. Broward Feb 2016 #41

1968 again olddots Feb 2016 #44

They should spend as much on voter registration as they do on hammering Sanders and Todays_Illusion Feb 2016 #47

I have watched this my whole life SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #48

So Latino and Black voters are not part of the grassroots. Got it. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #51

As much as you'd like to racialize it, that's not the case Armstead Feb 2016 #58

People of color came out for Clinton in NV. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #60

And many came out for Sanders. Making it all about race is missing the point Armstead Feb 2016 #63

Majority did not. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #65

Coalitions are about Big Tents....Not individual demographic encampments Armstead Feb 2016 #69

The big tent is moving away from whiteness. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #79

The Big Tent is the Big Tent. That is the point of it. Armstead Feb 2016 #85

Hey, you don't want my advice. That's great! Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #89

What's your advice? White Liberals go away? Armstead Feb 2016 #90

Sure, go with that interpretation. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #94

Yeah your candidate is great a racial polarization. Armstead Feb 2016 #100

Don't forget winning this race. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #102

Bernie Sanders leads 53-45 with Latino voters in Nevada Entrance Polls Loudestlib Feb 2016 #68

Not according to precinct reports. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #75

That's not an exit poll. Loudestlib Feb 2016 #84

No, it's the election results. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #86

No Loudestlib Feb 2016 #95

Lulz. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #99

" Really don't give af." I'm sure you don't when you're wrong. Loudestlib Feb 2016 #104

See you on Super Tuesday. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #108

You need to post that in bigtree's thread! I keep seeing post after post that Sanders won the Number23 Feb 2016 #103

I thought I did! Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #105

BINGO! Firebrand Gary Feb 2016 #62

So the 44% of latino voters for Bernie sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #66

Um, the 56% Latinos for HRC are all oligarchs? Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #71

These 'Establishment Dems' don't want change, they just want a little tweaking. YOHABLO Feb 2016 #54

This sounds "crazy" Depaysement Feb 2016 #55

To vote for Bernie in the primary. jhart3333 Feb 2016 #72

That Depaysement Feb 2016 #76

Fair enough. jhart3333 Feb 2016 #80

To me that says Nite Owl Feb 2016 #56

They smile in our face and stab us in the back. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #61

President Trump. Get used to hearing it. mainer Feb 2016 #64

Gotta agree Skeezer the Kat Feb 2016 #78

It's what may split the party for good, it is more than a small possibility. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #70

They can think they beat back the liberals shawn703 Feb 2016 #73

Our Money Isn't Any Good scottie55 Feb 2016 #74

"Wish you'd shown as much fight and backbone against the GOP as you've shown against those who want liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #77

I am a Bernie supporter and Markus Che Feb 2016 #81

Amen, brother. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #83

When it comes to the Republicans the Third Way Mantra is "No we can't"! jalan48 Feb 2016 #87

not just the DC insiders. It's also the state Dem party establishments. nt antigop Feb 2016 #92

The Nevada caucus today was a miscarriage of democracy Berntheoligarchs Feb 2016 #93

^^ THIS ^^ Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #109

You're welcome Berntheoligarchs Feb 2016 #114

Caucus was a mess tommcc99 Feb 2016 #115

Chis Matthews just spewed that Rubio's second place in SC mountain grammy Feb 2016 #97

Or rank and file Democrats in Nevada just preferred Hillary bluestateguy Feb 2016 #98

Believe it or not...I'm okay with whoever won. Armstead Feb 2016 #106

Ain't that the truth! nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #112

they work hand in hand with the GOP amborin Feb 2016 #117

DU Rec. SixString Feb 2016 #119

he failure in your argument is assuming Sanders has 100% of the grass roots. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #121

I don't assume that Armstead Feb 2016 #123

The rules have been set for years. Any Democrat could have started a few years ago to change them. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #124

Once a system is in place, it is very hard to dislodge BUT... Armstead Feb 2016 #141

They've not beaten us down. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #127

I hope you're right. I'm just feeling discouraged. Armstead Feb 2016 #128

Don't be discouraged. Bernie isn't going to win every state. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #130

don't be discouraged amborin Feb 2016 #148

That's right, and Repubs will win the South in the GE anyway. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #138

+1. grntuscarora Feb 2016 #137

I think it's crystal clear who Hillary is working for. nt TBF Feb 2016 #139

Which "grassroots"? The democratic grassroots is labor, sufrommich Feb 2016 #142

Familiarity, connections and ability to steamroll a message Armstead Feb 2016 #143

Got it,only white dudes really understand how sufrommich Feb 2016 #144

Nope same thing goes for white dudes...Although you'd like to racialize it Armstead Feb 2016 #145

the AFL-CIO is holding off their endorsement b/c so amborin Feb 2016 #150

I saw Latinas who looked like they would walk through walls for Hillary Clinton. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #149

I am not talking about rank and file supporters Armstead Feb 2016 #154

fighting the GOP? artyteacher Feb 2016 #151

Both won because of support from progresives Armstead Feb 2016 #157

if Clinton was so Republican... artyteacher Feb 2016 #160

There is a theory in politics that I believbe is quite accurate Armstead Feb 2016 #161

Well actually team Clinton did and still do ... artyteacher Feb 2016 #164

Please name a few that really threaten the interests of Wall St and Big Bidness Armstead Feb 2016 #165

Because they want THEIR Horse to win...Duh! n/t Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #169

The establishment are Blacks, Latinos, Women, the elderly? itsrobert Feb 2016 #153

If you want to racialize what is happening be my guest Armstead Feb 2016 #155

That's because the Democratic Party Elite work for the same people that support rhett o rick Feb 2016 #158

Manny used to post these two pics. I added the pie chart. CrispyQ Feb 2016 #163

Excellent post Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #170

WE are the enemy. dchill Feb 2016 #175

This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Feb 2016 #176

They don't actually disagree that far from gop 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #178

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #184

The TPP issue made this brutally clear Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #185

Yep one of the bipartisan steps Armstead Feb 2016 #192

Curiously though Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #193

we fight the GOP while the grassroots hide behind our skirts mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #186

The grassroots are bigger than you think Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #194

bernie is our handmaiden mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #200

You can be assured Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #205

so you are voting republican then? mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #206

It will be her fault Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #207

shame on you mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #208

The Clinton campaign hasn't played it's cards right Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #210

you are buying the beer on election night mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #211

LOL Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #220

Because Clinton and the GOP rammed it into a necessary and massive budget bill at the last minute Armstead Feb 2016 #222

that's one reason why I quit being a dem long ago stupidicus Feb 2016 #189

Bill Clinton was an expert at "Imaginary timidity" Armstead Feb 2016 #197

you know it stupidicus Feb 2016 #199

They have the same corporate owners as the GOP CanonRay Feb 2016 #195

"Wish you could have been as effective against the GOP all these years." ... Jopin Klobe Feb 2016 #196

remember when stewart interviewed pelosi a few years back all the comments were related redruddyred Feb 2016 #201

That is because... humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #204

K&R Carolina Feb 2016 #223

Democracy should be about votes -- Not "Firewalls." NT GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #209

Today`s New Way Democratic Party reminds me of the old Company Store democrank Feb 2016 #212

Great message. I send it from this OP to my Minnesota jwirr Feb 2016 #213

The Hillary campaign and the DNC has become so corrupt and so rigged that . . . DrBulldog Feb 2016 #214

Reid and Clyburn are both DOMA yes voters who have been part of the opposition to equality with Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #215

I've never voted for a republican in my entire voting life which started in 1972. But kas125 Feb 2016 #216

K&R Paka Feb 2016 #218