2016 Postmortem

Yurovsky

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171. I can hear his ads now, "I can't be bought... She already has been!"...

Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:37 PM

Feb 2016

and if anyone thinks that taking all of that dirty money from Wall Street won't bite Hillary in the ass with the general electorate in the same way that it has with progressives, they are high as a motherfucker.

The only person I could see Hillary having a remote chance of beating is Ted Cruz, just because he's creepy as hell and the evangelicals scare off more voters than they actually bring to the polls in November (JMHO).

I think Bernie could challenge Trump's "can't be bought" cred, plus he's bringing a specific, broad-based set of proposals to help poor and working-class Americans. Trump just promises to toss out 11 million immigrants with the assumption that the unemployed will take whatever work the newly deported were doing.

I believe Bernie could beat Trump, and while it wouldn't be a cakewalk, I think it would bring out enough young and progressive voters to tip the Senate and maybe, just maybe the House.

If Hillary is the nominee, Democrats from coast to coast are going to be in trouble. Youth/progressive turnout will suffer, and many close races will go to the GOP in a low-turnout election (akin to midterms).

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The Democratic Establishment can't fight the GOP. But they sure can beat down the grassroots [View all] Armstead Feb 2016 OP

She'll never be president. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #1

+1000 GoneFishin Feb 2016 #134

Exactly what is going to happen. If it's Hillary/Trump, it is well likely that Trump will win IMO. RKP5637 Feb 2016 #152

I can hear his ads now, "I can't be bought... She already has been!"... Yurovsky Feb 2016 #171

Yep, exactly what you said, plus she will be Swift Boated like Kerry was, false or true, the RKP5637 Feb 2016 #174

They won't have to lie or spin. dchill Feb 2016 #177

Quite true! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #179

Trump says he gave money to Hillary. If he still has the canceled check, lob1 Feb 2016 #191

I hope Trump's people didn't read that! n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #198

Critical hit!! Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #225

I figured this long ago PatrynXX Feb 2016 #183

you are buying the beer on election night mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #187

If Hillary wins, I'll be drinking something with lots and lots of hops. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #224

The TRUTH About Hillary's Veracty Is Slowly Becoming Common Knowledge! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #2

Yeah, those grapes were probably sour any way. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #3

I'll admit it. I'm full of sour grapes Armstead Feb 2016 #6

It is shock and awe artislife Feb 2016 #4

Ain't that farleftlib Feb 2016 #5

It's almost like they let them change it back and forth every so often. Shandris Feb 2016 #7

The DNC doesn't care if the GOP takes the WH gyroscope Feb 2016 #8

The REAL "firewall"! They all lined up behind her from the beginning. Her Donors will or have Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #50

The smell of coffee warrprayer Feb 2016 #126

Absolutely true. Above all else they are the 0.1%. Republican and Democratic leadership alike GoneFishin Feb 2016 #135

Exactly... When you see folks making $145k becoming multi-millionaires.. Yurovsky Feb 2016 #173

Yep. I expect it from Republicans. It's a given that they are assholes. But when that behavior GoneFishin Feb 2016 #188

As I said before... freebrew Feb 2016 #203

I'm really beginning to think that. The highly monied PTB in the DNC are protecting their $$$$$'s. RKP5637 Feb 2016 #180

"Wish you could have been as effective against the GOP all these years." TheProgressive Feb 2016 #9

Sanders isn't even a Democrat. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #10

And all those millions who agree with him are also interlopers I suppose Armstead Feb 2016 #11

Nah, misguided or greedy. n/t Kang Colby Feb 2016 #16

Hillary Clinton Supporters complain about the Bernie Bros, malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #25

That's who I am referring to - bernie bros....n/t Kang Colby Feb 2016 #28

You are just like the Bernie Bros malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #30

Has it dawned on you that Bernie's voters LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #49

Probably doesn't care. That's the gist of the OP. jhart3333 Feb 2016 #59

Most Bernie supporters will come around for the GE and do the right thing and vote for Hillary. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #101

Perhaps the most misguidely wrong stupid tripe I've NRaleighLiberal Feb 2016 #113

+1 Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #162

the Tobin tax ultragreen Feb 2016 #122

No, your opinion is based on an emotional understanding of short term speculative Kang Colby Feb 2016 #133

LOL! sounds straight from zero hedge, more balderdash and gop talking points. are you one of th amborin Feb 2016 #140

Got it. If you don't understand it, then it's a GOP talking point. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #166

it's you who either doesn't understand it, or is speaking from narrow self-interestyu amborin Feb 2016 #168

Sure, bud. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #172

+1 Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #159

1) Republican talking point noted. cui bono Feb 2016 #181

That would certainly be true of the youth/millenial liberalhistorian Feb 2016 #202

Kang Colby's lecture, or Plutocrat 101 ultragreen Feb 2016 #118

Ugh huh. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #120

OMG, that takes the cake. k8conant Feb 2016 #132

Better dead than red huh? farleftlib Feb 2016 #12

Club politics are petty. bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #24

Dude you sound like Alex Jones. JRLeft Feb 2016 #26

not according to Joe Biden. LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #46

Next you'll tell us that FDR, JFK and LBJ were socialist idelogues... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Feb 2016 #67

Bernie's single-payer healthcare would be cheaper ultragreen Feb 2016 #125

Now I feel so guilty for his promise to make me truedelphi Feb 2016 #88

Heaven forbid anyone should appeal to those wanting quality of life! BuelahWitch Feb 2016 #91

My dog has as much chance of becoming president as Hillary 406-Boz Feb 2016 #110

Odd, Hillary isn't a Democrat either ultragreen Feb 2016 #116

Your Democratic Party is no longer the one I wish to support. That goes back to 1968. leveymg Feb 2016 #131

Humphrey would be considered "too liberal" todasy Armstead Feb 2016 #219

Is Sanders "giving us freebies" or "raising our taxes"? yodermon Feb 2016 #136

They aren't freebies. He wants to pay for them with tax hikes. CrispyQ Feb 2016 #156

Middle class Americans are paying astronomical sums in taxes already. Kang Colby Feb 2016 #167

Yes, we're paying Carolina Feb 2016 #221

Why are you spouting Republican talking points? cui bono Feb 2016 #182

sure he is stupidicus Feb 2016 #190

You do realize those are right wing talking points? rynestonecowboy Feb 2016 #217

Worlds smallest violin iandhr Feb 2016 #13

Thank you for providing a case in point Armstead Feb 2016 #15

No iandhr Feb 2016 #17

Thank you for another case in point Armstead Feb 2016 #18

How naive are you? iandhr Feb 2016 #23

You obviously aren't paying attention Armstead Feb 2016 #27

I LIVED in Vermont for four years. iandhr Feb 2016 #32

I've lived next to Vermont most of my life Armstead Feb 2016 #34

Not with stuff like this iandhr Feb 2016 #40

And if the activist had asked Clinton the same question you think the answer wold have been better? Armstead Feb 2016 #43

DH got $100,000 from Clinton, which explains amborin Feb 2016 #146

And there is no reason for accepting Clinton Nite Owl Feb 2016 #57

Nevada is representative of the country... tommcc99 Feb 2016 #111

here's what's so perplexing: amborin Feb 2016 #147

The world is not black and white. azmom Feb 2016 #31

Is that right? Loudestlib Feb 2016 #53

I support him yuiyoshida Feb 2016 #107

the current race of supporters is unimportant ultragreen Feb 2016 #129

I will repeat again: The Third Way does not care if they lose the general election. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #14

The GOP and DNC gyroscope Feb 2016 #21

Gore Vidal seems more and more prescient every day. donf Feb 2016 #82

Boom! BuelahWitch Feb 2016 #96

Yesh, she's gonna win. n/t OhZone Feb 2016 #19

President Cruz is the words we will hear. libtodeath Feb 2016 #20

Abnd if performance so far is any indication...Democrats will not give him any real challenge Armstead Feb 2016 #22

We wondered all these years what they were saving their powder for. Turns out it was us. Karmadillo Feb 2016 #29

Yep. They are spineless ninnies against the GOP, but tigers against reformers on the left side Armstead Feb 2016 #33

perfect response and obviously true. bbgrunt Feb 2016 #39

This. Thanks! LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #52

Yes they can. amazing the fight they have when Autumn Feb 2016 #35

Harry Reid let GOP beat the shit out of him in Congress, but he sure can play hardball against.... Armstead Feb 2016 #45

Its BS that they can't fight Republicans. They don't want to, they are part of the system AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #36

Yes she has Robbins Feb 2016 #37

And by "beat back the grassroots" you mean "convince voters to support another candidate" brooklynite Feb 2016 #38

No..This is different than a primary battle between candidates Armstead Feb 2016 #42

Some are just conservative corporatist types so naturally they support Hillary. Broward Feb 2016 #41

1968 again olddots Feb 2016 #44

They should spend as much on voter registration as they do on hammering Sanders and Todays_Illusion Feb 2016 #47

I have watched this my whole life SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #48

So Latino and Black voters are not part of the grassroots. Got it. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #51

As much as you'd like to racialize it, that's not the case Armstead Feb 2016 #58

People of color came out for Clinton in NV. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #60

And many came out for Sanders. Making it all about race is missing the point Armstead Feb 2016 #63

Majority did not. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #65

Coalitions are about Big Tents....Not individual demographic encampments Armstead Feb 2016 #69

The big tent is moving away from whiteness. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #79

The Big Tent is the Big Tent. That is the point of it. Armstead Feb 2016 #85

Hey, you don't want my advice. That's great! Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #89

What's your advice? White Liberals go away? Armstead Feb 2016 #90

Sure, go with that interpretation. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #94

Yeah your candidate is great a racial polarization. Armstead Feb 2016 #100

Don't forget winning this race. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #102

Bernie Sanders leads 53-45 with Latino voters in Nevada Entrance Polls Loudestlib Feb 2016 #68

Not according to precinct reports. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #75

That's not an exit poll. Loudestlib Feb 2016 #84

No, it's the election results. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #86

No Loudestlib Feb 2016 #95

Lulz. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #99

" Really don't give af." I'm sure you don't when you're wrong. Loudestlib Feb 2016 #104

See you on Super Tuesday. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #108

You need to post that in bigtree's thread! I keep seeing post after post that Sanders won the Number23 Feb 2016 #103

I thought I did! Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #105

BINGO! Firebrand Gary Feb 2016 #62

So the 44% of latino voters for Bernie sadoldgirl Feb 2016 #66

Um, the 56% Latinos for HRC are all oligarchs? Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #71

These 'Establishment Dems' don't want change, they just want a little tweaking. YOHABLO Feb 2016 #54

This sounds "crazy" Depaysement Feb 2016 #55

To vote for Bernie in the primary. jhart3333 Feb 2016 #72

That Depaysement Feb 2016 #76

Fair enough. jhart3333 Feb 2016 #80

To me that says Nite Owl Feb 2016 #56

They smile in our face and stab us in the back. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #61

President Trump. Get used to hearing it. mainer Feb 2016 #64

Gotta agree Skeezer the Kat Feb 2016 #78

It's what may split the party for good, it is more than a small possibility. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #70

They can think they beat back the liberals shawn703 Feb 2016 #73

Our Money Isn't Any Good scottie55 Feb 2016 #74

"Wish you'd shown as much fight and backbone against the GOP as you've shown against those who want liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #77

I am a Bernie supporter and Markus Che Feb 2016 #81

Amen, brother. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #83

When it comes to the Republicans the Third Way Mantra is "No we can't"! jalan48 Feb 2016 #87

not just the DC insiders. It's also the state Dem party establishments. nt antigop Feb 2016 #92

The Nevada caucus today was a miscarriage of democracy Berntheoligarchs Feb 2016 #93

^^ THIS ^^ Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #109

You're welcome Berntheoligarchs Feb 2016 #114

Caucus was a mess tommcc99 Feb 2016 #115

Chis Matthews just spewed that Rubio's second place in SC mountain grammy Feb 2016 #97

Or rank and file Democrats in Nevada just preferred Hillary bluestateguy Feb 2016 #98

Believe it or not...I'm okay with whoever won. Armstead Feb 2016 #106

Ain't that the truth! nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #112

they work hand in hand with the GOP amborin Feb 2016 #117

DU Rec. SixString Feb 2016 #119

he failure in your argument is assuming Sanders has 100% of the grass roots. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #121

I don't assume that Armstead Feb 2016 #123

The rules have been set for years. Any Democrat could have started a few years ago to change them. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #124

Once a system is in place, it is very hard to dislodge BUT... Armstead Feb 2016 #141

They've not beaten us down. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #127

I hope you're right. I'm just feeling discouraged. Armstead Feb 2016 #128

Don't be discouraged. Bernie isn't going to win every state. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #130

don't be discouraged amborin Feb 2016 #148

That's right, and Repubs will win the South in the GE anyway. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #138

+1. grntuscarora Feb 2016 #137

I think it's crystal clear who Hillary is working for. nt TBF Feb 2016 #139

Which "grassroots"? The democratic grassroots is labor, sufrommich Feb 2016 #142

Familiarity, connections and ability to steamroll a message Armstead Feb 2016 #143

Got it,only white dudes really understand how sufrommich Feb 2016 #144

Nope same thing goes for white dudes...Although you'd like to racialize it Armstead Feb 2016 #145

the AFL-CIO is holding off their endorsement b/c so amborin Feb 2016 #150

I saw Latinas who looked like they would walk through walls for Hillary Clinton. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #149

I am not talking about rank and file supporters Armstead Feb 2016 #154

fighting the GOP? artyteacher Feb 2016 #151

Both won because of support from progresives Armstead Feb 2016 #157

if Clinton was so Republican... artyteacher Feb 2016 #160

There is a theory in politics that I believbe is quite accurate Armstead Feb 2016 #161

Well actually team Clinton did and still do ... artyteacher Feb 2016 #164

Please name a few that really threaten the interests of Wall St and Big Bidness Armstead Feb 2016 #165

Because they want THEIR Horse to win...Duh! n/t Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #169

The establishment are Blacks, Latinos, Women, the elderly? itsrobert Feb 2016 #153

If you want to racialize what is happening be my guest Armstead Feb 2016 #155

That's because the Democratic Party Elite work for the same people that support rhett o rick Feb 2016 #158

Manny used to post these two pics. I added the pie chart. CrispyQ Feb 2016 #163

Excellent post Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #170

WE are the enemy. dchill Feb 2016 #175

This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Feb 2016 #176

They don't actually disagree that far from gop 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #178

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #184

The TPP issue made this brutally clear Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #185

Yep one of the bipartisan steps Armstead Feb 2016 #192

Curiously though Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #193

we fight the GOP while the grassroots hide behind our skirts mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #186

The grassroots are bigger than you think Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #194

bernie is our handmaiden mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #200

You can be assured Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #205

so you are voting republican then? mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #206

It will be her fault Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #207

shame on you mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #208

The Clinton campaign hasn't played it's cards right Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #210

you are buying the beer on election night mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #211

LOL Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #220

Because Clinton and the GOP rammed it into a necessary and massive budget bill at the last minute Armstead Feb 2016 #222

that's one reason why I quit being a dem long ago stupidicus Feb 2016 #189

Bill Clinton was an expert at "Imaginary timidity" Armstead Feb 2016 #197

you know it stupidicus Feb 2016 #199

They have the same corporate owners as the GOP CanonRay Feb 2016 #195

"Wish you could have been as effective against the GOP all these years." ... Jopin Klobe Feb 2016 #196

remember when stewart interviewed pelosi a few years back all the comments were related redruddyred Feb 2016 #201

That is because... humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #204

K&R Carolina Feb 2016 #223

Democracy should be about votes -- Not "Firewalls." NT GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #209

Today`s New Way Democratic Party reminds me of the old Company Store democrank Feb 2016 #212

Great message. I send it from this OP to my Minnesota jwirr Feb 2016 #213

The Hillary campaign and the DNC has become so corrupt and so rigged that . . . DrBulldog Feb 2016 #214

Reid and Clyburn are both DOMA yes voters who have been part of the opposition to equality with Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #215

I've never voted for a republican in my entire voting life which started in 1972. But kas125 Feb 2016 #216

K&R Paka Feb 2016 #218