2016 Postmortem

Kall

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189. If you seriously think that Hillary opposes the TPP now

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:03 AM

Feb 2016

after spending years selling it as the "gold standard", because she finally said right before the Democratic primary that it doesn't meet her new standards "as it currently stands", then there's not much we can do to help you your lack of healthy skepticism based on observation of Hillary's past behaviour, free trade support, and changing of positions on a dime according to political convenience. The minute this primary is over, her position is going to revert back to her original one, which aligns with her real beliefs as observed over time based on her support of past free trade agreements with countries with terrible labor standards.

Attacking Bernie Sanders for not cutting off money to soldiers in a war zone, regardless of how they got there, is really something. The Clinton campaign would be proud of you.

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For those saying you won't vote for the Democratic nominee [View all] HillDawg Feb 2016 OP

Very well said. nt kstewart33 Feb 2016 #1

Don't lecture to anyone. THe DNC has been floating ANY BODY BUT BERNIE Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #66

+1 Red Oak Feb 2016 #74

+2 azmom Feb 2016 #85

+1 Paka Feb 2016 #86

+10 JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #92

+100. Clinton is ballot poison. She has earned her reputation as untrustworthy and self-promoting Vote2016 Feb 2016 #114

+1 GoneFishin Feb 2016 #129

Bullshit, seeing how Bernie is nowhere close to winning Tarc Feb 2016 #143

The DLC never really went away... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #164

+10 True senz Feb 2016 #187

+200 artislife Feb 2016 #149

+2 840high Feb 2016 #150

+ 1 Well said! senz Feb 2016 #188

I refuse to vote for someone who will screw me. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #204

Thread thrashed / FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #2

Many people EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #3

Many HillDawg Feb 2016 #6

I'm not EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #9

Question. yallerdawg Feb 2016 #59

... *crickets* Agschmid Feb 2016 #156

-10 mean-spirited question senz Feb 2016 #191

Sorry EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #209

And what are you trying to suggest? sammythecat Feb 2016 #219

THAT IS GUARANTEED! She Will Inspire MASSIVE Crossover AGAINST HER! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #84

Yep. She could not win the GE. A vote for her in the primary is a vote for Trümp in the GE. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #128

wrong timmymoff Feb 2016 #98

^^^THIS^^^ haikugal Feb 2016 #7

The young Bernie supporters claim that they shouldn't vote for someone simply because they have a politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #37

All this FREE STUFF in caps repetition looks like something one would expect to see over at that ... Impedimentus Feb 2016 #40

I've been told before that my FREE STUFF mantra is right-wing propaganda. politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #50

free stuff Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #63

well buddy it is right wing nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #71

Another resume poster extolling the resume candidate. Impedimentus Feb 2016 #94

I have no idea where you interpreted something I said as " religious business". and your politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #111

Please, feel free to explicitly call me a fool, or anything else that might make you feel better. Impedimentus Feb 2016 #121

Hillary reaching across the aisle to get stuff done... SMC22307 Feb 2016 #113

Perhaps staying up all night also makes you paranoid and you imagine things that don't exist. politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #118

Power naps work wonders for clarity, and I love me a good power nap. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #120

Actually I've done okay thank you, the past few decades for a POC who was born and grew up in politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #125

Tuned you out at "don't lecture me." (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2016 #126

Which Hillary are you voting for? A, or B? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #159

Or Kall Feb 2016 #185

Free stuff.... tommcc99 Feb 2016 #90

I am 55 and for Bernie. My two uterus carrying daughters are for Bernie CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #130

So is my daughter. 840high Feb 2016 #155

Yes, trash young voters for daring to disagree Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #135

..+1 840high Feb 2016 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Feb 2016 #174

Oh, you mean "free stuff" as in "Obamaphones?" senz Feb 2016 #196

On the other hand Andy823 Feb 2016 #133

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #4

+2 ~ +1 for the sentiment, and +1 for "gas soaked drawers" Lucinda Feb 2016 #31

I've said something similar about Republicans voting against HRC. Beartracks Feb 2016 #39

Okay ... then,wouldn't the optimal electoral strategy be to focus on ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #47

Agreed. In the GE, it's Big Picture time. Beartracks Feb 2016 #116

But there is a reason the Party seeks to avoid ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #122

my vote matters too Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #64

No one has said otherwise. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #123

Thank you. 840high Feb 2016 #152

I wouldn't count on it nt Depaysement Feb 2016 #106

Count on what? 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #124

This Depaysement Feb 2016 #211

Okay ... And that makes me sad ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #212

Not by me Depaysement Feb 2016 #213

It's just par for the course. It happens in every primary. I'm sure they will get BreakfastClub Feb 2016 #5

Okay.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #83

Us Bernie supporters are just lefty tea partyists as per Bill. Hillary doesn't need our votes. PonyUp Feb 2016 #8

Hehe. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #22

If it's more important to you to make a simplistic and empty statement, then go ahead Orrex Feb 2016 #61

This ^^^^^^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #91

So now we are simple-minded and empty-headed. Got it. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #153

They're winning us over. 840high Feb 2016 #165

Well, since I wrote neither of those things, you must be responding to someone else Orrex Feb 2016 #210

Thank you. Great minds sarge43 Feb 2016 #73

Because she/they would like to beat the Republicans ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #127

Yes, we are useless Depaysement Feb 2016 #105

I hope you'll edit the title to say "Democratic". DavidDvorkin Feb 2016 #10

Just for you pal HillDawg Feb 2016 #11

Thank you. DavidDvorkin Feb 2016 #13

Ain't gonna matter Politicalboi Feb 2016 #12

Dead Repubs Will Rise From Their Graves To Vote AGAINST Hillary SoCalMusicLover Feb 2016 #14

The GOP thanks you. zappaman Feb 2016 #15

Just as they thank you for insisting on Hillary. n/t Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #75

Oh I remember that so well farleftlib Feb 2016 #20

For those who keep making this OP jeff47 Feb 2016 #16

It's tiresome. joshcryer Feb 2016 #23

Nope. I've sucked it up every year and played ball. Barack_America Feb 2016 #49

2010.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #88

Do you see a pattern? joshcryer Feb 2016 #102

So.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #103

I believe in the 50 State Strategy. joshcryer Feb 2016 #107

You Mean.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #109

You aren't third way, you just sound like it on DU, right? BillZBubb Feb 2016 #134

I listened to folk like you, Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #136

2006 says otherwise. joshcryer Feb 2016 #141

In 2006 you had Howard Dean Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #144

The 50 state strategy elected blue dogs. joshcryer Feb 2016 #151

Hey look! You're still hurling dumb insults about an election I can not swing. jeff47 Feb 2016 #215

I also pointed out that my state is going to go blue nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #68

Lol. cali Feb 2016 #17

let's hope it's Sanders because Hillary is ballot poison Vote2016 Feb 2016 #18

I don't stand together with people who condone wars in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Maedhros Feb 2016 #19

Hear, hear! Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #25

Yeah, but you are ok with guns, guns, guns and votes that condemn thousands Persondem Feb 2016 #34

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #38

If you seriously think that Hillary opposes the TPP now Kall Feb 2016 #189

I also don't stand together Mike__M Feb 2016 #35

404 error message Petrushka Feb 2016 #145

It works if you take the period off. senz Feb 2016 #199

Link is dead [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2016 #158

Here, try it without the period at the end. senz Feb 2016 #200

Thx senz (n/t) Mike__M Feb 2016 #202

A vote for Hillary in the primaries John Poet Feb 2016 #21

Yep. 840high Feb 2016 #170

America already is a nightmare for far too many Impedimentus Feb 2016 #24

The difference between lethal injection and drawing and quartering sarge43 Feb 2016 #95

Within the very limited scope of their political consciousness, Maedhros Feb 2016 #163

My memory isn't the best, but has any other candidate temporary311 Feb 2016 #26

Excuse me? NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #32

its not going to work this time. bunnies Feb 2016 #27

Alrightee then! We could do that(stop shopping). jhart3333 Feb 2016 #79

+100 840high Feb 2016 #172

If abortion and gay marriage are important to you... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #28

At the moment, the party can take 'unity' and shove it. I don't vote for ratfuckers... Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #29

agree completely Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #69

Ew. senz Feb 2016 #201

I guess one or two people finally noticed that the slime thrown at Sanders and his supporters Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #30

KNR Lucinda Feb 2016 #33

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #36

Except for many of us, that's not how it works. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #41

So your HillDawg Feb 2016 #42

Um...huh? Please read my post again. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #46

how many loyalty oaths does this make for today? nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #43

Keeping a repub out of the White House is fare more important that which Democrat wins the primary. anotherproletariat Feb 2016 #44

If you truly believe this, Beowulf Feb 2016 #65

+1 Paka Feb 2016 #97

Then dump Hillary. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #104

Good point. senz Feb 2016 #203

Agree with you rpannier Feb 2016 #45

Remember how we mock Republicans for voting against... Barack_America Feb 2016 #48

exactly right Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #72

And, lest we forget, the Democratic candidates who ostensibly fight for our "social issues" Maedhros Feb 2016 #171

i agree. nt DesertFlower Feb 2016 #51

ya don't say... dana_b Feb 2016 #52

I'm not saying I definitely won't vote Dem if it comes to that but I am saying Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #53

"She chose to have them lie and smear a good man." senz Feb 2016 #206

No it's not. 0 - 0 = 0 Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #54

My vote in Arkansas wouldn't have made any difference in any Presidential election Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #56

Yet they cling to the idea that 0 - 0 = +1 Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #62

saying "I told you so" is much more important to some DrDan Feb 2016 #55

I wish you people would take this shit away. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #57

Lie dave502d2 Feb 2016 #58

nope...I'm just tired Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #60

I feel the way you do. I've 840high Feb 2016 #173

Who said: yallerdawg Feb 2016 #67

So after a week or two of solid alienation you guys finally remember there's a general to win. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #70

A Vote... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #76

This ^^^^^^^ n/t sarge43 Feb 2016 #82

her faction's said that everything's your fault if you don't vote for their drip candidates MisterP Feb 2016 #77

I'm for Bernie but will definitely vote for Hillary if she wins womanofthehills Feb 2016 #78

Oh yes, we certainly need a Wall Street-friendly Supreme Court. senz Feb 2016 #207

Fail PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #80

Lol...Bernie has supposedly not been loyal to the Democratic party, so why should we? hoosierlib Feb 2016 #81

Clinton's loss is 100% Clinton's fault Lordquinton Feb 2016 #87

K&R mcar Feb 2016 #89

Nominee needs to draw Independents and sane GOP. I truly don't see HRC pulling that off. Jackilope Feb 2016 #93

I will un-enroll from the party if Hillary is the nominee and she loses the GE. Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #180

If you are a Democrat or Progressive We_Must_Organize Feb 2016 #96

K&R Gothmog Feb 2016 #99

Sanders beats Repugs and Clinton Doesn't LiberalElite Feb 2016 #100

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #101

It's little more than childish pouting. Having a tantrum to get attention and to be validated ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #108

Fear! Fear! Fear! earthside Feb 2016 #110

You don't think HillDawg Feb 2016 #112

Hillary won't for sure. 840high Feb 2016 #177

Thank you. We survived Bush - 840high Feb 2016 #176

I've been a Democrat my entire life CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #115

.... 840high Feb 2016 #178

Very well stated and I know others who feel the same way ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #195

Excellent post. earthside Feb 2016 #214

If Hillary is the nominee... Ino Feb 2016 #117

Meh. If HRC is the nominee she needs to earn my vote. aikoaiko Feb 2016 #119

what an inspiring slogan Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #131

I'll vote for Trump or not vote at all Yeager29 Feb 2016 #132

If you are seriously voting for Trump you are on the wrong site. Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #138

I'm mad Yeager29 Feb 2016 #139

A vote for Hillary in the primary Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #137

Sorry HillDawg, some people are just too far gone. Core Dems compromise to make progress.... Hekate Feb 2016 #140

"even lefter" ... Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #142

EveR Lefter -- with an R. Denotes a Process. Hekate Feb 2016 #147

I can't see what's not there. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #216

yada yada yada Fawke Em Feb 2016 #146

I'm 72. For the first time in my voting life, we have a candidate with integrity. That's JDPriestly Feb 2016 #148

Is this the evil we know argument? n/t humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #154

I hope all you arguers feel really good about standing up for your values demigoddess Feb 2016 #157

Do you think there will never ever be a republican president again? RiverLover Feb 2016 #168

I feel good. 840high Feb 2016 #182

How many thousand threads like this have we seen so far? Anyone keeping track? merrily Feb 2016 #161

Probably about as many HillDawg Feb 2016 #169

Very doubtful. Nevada caucuses were only Saturday. Thread like this have been being posted for years merrily Feb 2016 #183

I will vote for Bernie Sanders... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #162

That's wonderful HillDawg Feb 2016 #166

Oh please. coyote Feb 2016 #167

Hillary can't win the general. Why start with a loser? Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #175

my husband and I will be voting for Bernie Sanders; end of story amborin Feb 2016 #179

No problemo. mikehiggins Feb 2016 #181

Fair enough. HillDawg Feb 2016 #184

Unite the party - vote for Bernie BostonBob Feb 2016 #186

Bernie polls better in the general election jfern Feb 2016 #190

Oh jeez, another loyalty oath OP. delrem Feb 2016 #192

Good talk HillDawg Feb 2016 #193

I want to see follow though and I don't believe I'll see it. delrem Feb 2016 #194

I'm not going HillDawg Feb 2016 #197

The swiftboating and ratfucking that I refer to is documented. delrem Feb 2016 #198

So if our choice in TX is Hill or Trump???? !!! 7wo7rees Feb 2016 #205

I will gladly tell people why they should not vote Repub, but for will not be singing the praises of GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #208

I'm voting democrat in the fall workinclasszero Feb 2016 #217

Great sentiment but better saved for when addressing Democrats. great white snark Feb 2016 #218