2016 Postmortem

Wibly

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106. I don't understand

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:09 PM

Mar 2016

Are we all supposed to fall in line, ignore dissent, all think the same way or something. What's wrong with listening to what the other side has to say? Just because you hear it doesn't mean you'll believe it.
One of the big problems in America today is the complete inability and unwillingness for people on both sides of the aisle to hear anything the other has to say. If that's the sort of America you want, then you may as well settle for a dictatorship or totalitariansim.
The NYT, left right or center, is one of the biggest papers in the country, and the opinions of its editorial board are shared by a large percentile of the people. Of course they should be posted and acknowledged.
To me, one of the great things about Sanders is his willingness to listen to all sides of the debate, unlike any of the GOPers or most of the Clinton crew.

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NYT TO HRC: STOP LYING ABOUT SANDERS. [View all] Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 OP

Impossible for her, lying and the artful smear are her main weapons. peacebird Mar 2016 #1

Indeed! Plucketeer Mar 2016 #28

Its not just HRC, we're headed towards a merging of both parties and most of the media help too Baobab Mar 2016 #91

And she's got a hive of "digital media strategists" who help her catapult the propaganda CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #44

Her superfans are attacking on Facebook with outrageous smears. PassingFair Mar 2016 #112

Can you send me several links in a PM please davidpdx Mar 2016 #121

How many delegates does Facebook get? 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #128

She can't stop. It's too deeply ingrained. nt GoneFishin Mar 2016 #45

You are right. 840high Mar 2016 #56

She's oblivious to it but one thing will stop her during the campaign Jarqui Mar 2016 #72

What else does she have? madokie Mar 2016 #105

It's all she has casperthegm Mar 2016 #2

She thinks that is voters are ALL STUPID!!! Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #7

Or forgets that we have access to the internet. Hatchling Mar 2016 #113

She would be a great candidate if the internet weren't around LettuceSea Mar 2016 #132

Well it does work LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #120

"she must think we're stupid: she counts on you being too embarrassed to switch" MisterP Mar 2016 #82

But, but... marew Mar 2016 #3

Hillary was exposed for the Corp Shill she is FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #4

Oh Man - But it's her turn Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #94

Why is tbe NYT so sexist?!?!?!?! TransitJohn Mar 2016 #5

I see what you did there jham123 Mar 2016 #50

Why are we posting links from right-wing sources John Poet Mar 2016 #87

I don't understand Wibly Mar 2016 #106

Why? They haven't. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #6

Ouch. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #16

They have a modicum of journalistic integrity, if that. Skwmom Mar 2016 #29

Zing! Roland99 Mar 2016 #32

Think about what it took elljay Mar 2016 #39

Oh please. More likely they are trying to do damage control but alas that genie is already out of Skwmom Mar 2016 #49

When the NYT.... jham123 Mar 2016 #55

My takeaway - make up some "believable" lies about why you supported the TPP and then didn't. Skwmom Mar 2016 #67

"Not in this environment" jham123 Mar 2016 #73

They want to corner the market. dchill Mar 2016 #54

The Amazon Sweatshop King wants to be King of the Hill. nt Skwmom Mar 2016 #70

Why? They haven't. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #63

But if she stops lying about Bernie, what will she have left to campaign on? Zorra Mar 2016 #8

the millenials don't LiberalElite Mar 2016 #19

I know, I have millennial kids. Zorra Mar 2016 #24

I think she doesn't give us boomers enough credit Merryland Mar 2016 #25

I was that obnoxious and precocious elljay Mar 2016 #43

Our hastily built elementary school had apparently one large solid wall, in the auditorium, and FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #77

I especially liked elljay Mar 2016 #92

LOL mdbl Mar 2016 #102

Comedian Lewis Black's A-bomb stories of duck 'n cover under wood school desks are wild! appalachiablue Mar 2016 #108

Love my homie Lewis! elljay Mar 2016 #109

Comedian Lewis Black: Elementary school films on how to survive a nuclear attack! appalachiablue Mar 2016 #110

Thanks!!!! elljay Mar 2016 #119

Zorra Gwhittey Mar 2016 #64

No. Zorra Mar 2016 #111

NYT makes its statments through the opinion section and opinion pieces now? Amimnoch Mar 2016 #9

Wha? Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #12

Hillarian tactics StandingInLeftField Mar 2016 #18

apparently there is a rookie league for surrogates... islandmkl Mar 2016 #22

This is not "just a op-ed". It's written BY the EDITORIAL BOARD of the NYTimes. Yuuuge difference. 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #31

I posted after you did, jham123 Mar 2016 #59

So are you refuting what was posted in the OP or just telling us what the weather is? nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #117

"I find it most interesting that your copy and paste started just AFTER the word Opinion" left-of-center2012 Mar 2016 #123

glass houses and all that stuff. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #124

At least they didn't put the word liar in bold. Hearts don't change, do they, Mrs. Clinton? LOL. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2016 #10

She is trying to appeal to low information voters AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #11

If one lies about one's friends, what else will one lie about? Octafish Mar 2016 #13

rightwingers can't win honestly stupidicus Mar 2016 #14

If she wins the nomination she has to rely on how horrific the other side is to win the WH. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #15

You know many voters want a woman POTUS passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #85

yeah, I don't really see how she is going to stop lying now fbc Mar 2016 #17

Some people want to believe reality will change if they can convince themselves and others of it nolabels Mar 2016 #21

She's already all in, her way forward will be to turn it up to 11. [nt] Coincidence Mar 2016 #20

she has no Marshall amp...that's her problem! islandmkl Mar 2016 #23

She thinks she can slide in to office on slime. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #26

+10 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #33

Ha ha, good one! n/t ljm2002 Mar 2016 #80

the genteel language in the editorial translated Merryland Mar 2016 #27

Great point. It's like the Times is saying "stop embarrassing us for endorsing you" 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #35

That is actually the next step nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #41

Thom Hartmann just said he believed she will get the nomination. Duval Mar 2016 #60

Dime is math nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #66

a hell of a lot more MidwestTech Mar 2016 #71

I would sure like to know davidpdx Mar 2016 #122

Not without New York and California, she won't. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #126

The same New York Times that colluded with the Bush administration's Iraq lies? arcane1 Mar 2016 #42

Editorial boards do it all the time BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #52

keen observation jham123 Mar 2016 #61

Without the lies, there is no campaign n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #30

I have been stunned with the lies. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #34

I can't imagine what she thinks or feels Merryland Mar 2016 #38

K*R - Yet another tell-tale turning point --as usual-- in Sanders direction. nt 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #36

K N R-ed Faux pas Mar 2016 #37

Ok she is in trouble nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #40

Yes, this is definitely a noteworthy development... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #81

Last night from Univision, and yet again in an editorial from The New York Times Babel_17 Mar 2016 #46

She can't stop. Myrina Mar 2016 #47

I almost feel sorry for her more ardent supporters. blackspade Mar 2016 #48

I don't, the candidate and her supporters deserve each other BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #53

They do. 840high Mar 2016 #57

Many of them are great people. blackspade Mar 2016 #90

She cannot stop herself...she's in the Camp Weathervane bubble. SoapBox Mar 2016 #51

Thom Hartmann is on Hillary for these tactics for the first 3-4 segments today BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #58

Disgusted with Hartmann today. HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #93

I see Hartmann on Free Speech TV which doesn't have some of the radio commercials BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #97

Yes Hartmann hawks gold and in the ads in which he also hawks his book on the coming apocalypse HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #100

It's like she sees Repugs have won using slimy strategies.... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #62

but those tactics work! MidwestTech Mar 2016 #74

but those tactics work! AlbertCat Mar 2016 #76

I didn't say they were ethical MidwestTech Mar 2016 #78

She's just trying to set up ... beedle Mar 2016 #65

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #68

Her vigilante and Minutemen accusation was reprehensible Kall Mar 2016 #69

" ... (S)he needs to explain why she once believed that trade pacts would help American workers." staggerleem Mar 2016 #75

K & R Trust ratio Duppers Mar 2016 #79

Hubris Can't Help Itself billhicks76 Mar 2016 #83

K&R. pacalo Mar 2016 #84

Hey NYT! Pot, kettle, black. Enthusiast Mar 2016 #86

Your OP title is a lie oberliner Mar 2016 #88

K&R#203 n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #89

Funny how so many people can be led to believe that the truth is a lie when it is aimed at their fav Jitter65 Mar 2016 #95

Whoever is advising her to say stupid things like jillan Mar 2016 #96

Lying to win like the Conservatives is an indication of weakness. glinda Mar 2016 #98

I heard this on Thom Hartmann this morning. Wow! Msm throws us a bone! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Billsmile Mar 2016 #114

It's clear how she'd act as President Kall Mar 2016 #101

NYT noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #103

EXACTLY. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #104

If she wasn't desperate she wouldn't be lying. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #107

Thom Hartmann's Take on This Billsmile Mar 2016 #115

LOL, who's the establishment candidate now, eh? ucrdem Mar 2016 #116

I was Hoping Hillary would elevate her campaign nwnatural Mar 2016 #118

I wish I could recommend this thread 1000 times. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #125

Whoops!! Did the Clinton campaign forget to buy ads in the NYT this month? nt Jarqui Mar 2016 #127

A person you can trust? Arizona Roadrunner Mar 2016 #129

I thought they liked her. AllyCat Mar 2016 #130

That's not fair, it's like asking her to stop breathing pdsimdars Mar 2016 #131

I noticed maindawg Mar 2016 #133