2016 Postmortem

beam me up scottie

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28. That wasn't a marriage resolution, why do HC supporters make up stories?

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:08 PM

Mar 2016

It's bad enough when you claim Hillary stood up for lgbt rights when she adamantly opposed marriage equality until 2013 but lying about Bernie's support is truly despicable.

That "resolution" had nothing to do with same sex marriage.

In 1972 Bernie wrote a letter calling for the abolishment of laws making homosexuality illegal:

Bernie Sanders Was for Full Gay Equality 40 Years Ago

Today’s Supreme Court decision was a monumental moment in American history, as it guaranteed the right for gays and lesbians to get married and established full marriage equality.

Many politicians offered their words of support, including President Obama and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

Yet it is important to remember that Obama and Clinton both opposed marriage equality as late as early 2012. It is a testament to the work of thousands of activists over decades that the political class was pulled towards supporting equality.

There is however one prominent politician who did not wait so long to call for full gay equality: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

In a letter he published in the early 1970’s, when he was a candidate for governor of Vermont from the Liberty Union Party, Sanders invoked freedom to call for the abolition of all laws related to homosexuality:

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago

In 1996 He voted against DOMA.

Where was Hillary?

Oh that's right, matching with lgbt people and standing in the way of marriage equality.

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DOMA was in the mid-1990s and this resolution was in 1982 gollygee Mar 2016 #1

1982. I would imagine he rightfully did so. silvershadow Mar 2016 #2

It had nothing to do with political cover. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #85

just a couple of years ago Duckhunter935 Mar 2016 #3

'A couple' equals 'twelve'? randome Mar 2016 #18

That is not what the OP is about Duckhunter935 Mar 2016 #25

I'm not sure what the resolution means exactly bravenak Mar 2016 #4

Oh duh.. bravenak Mar 2016 #5

This was pandering to those on the religious right. DURHAM D Mar 2016 #26

Makes perfect sense now bravenak Mar 2016 #27

What bullshit, Bernie stood up to the religious right in Vermont. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #61

This is not on point. nt DURHAM D Mar 2016 #63

It most certainly is on point. Bernie never pandered to the religious right. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #66

The poster asked a specific question. DURHAM D Mar 2016 #69

Just because it doesn't fit the narrative doesn't mean it's irrelevant. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #70

Yes. Way too early to be anything other than treestar Mar 2016 #54

Sanders has evolved as many politicians have. I salute him. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #6

Hillary has never been an elected executive, either, but Bernie has. bluedigger Mar 2016 #7

So?!?! tia uponit7771 Mar 2016 #10

Just thought I'd point that out, since she claims to be the more experienced candidate. bluedigger Mar 2016 #14

So exactly what was she when she served as the Senator from New York? MoonRiver Mar 2016 #15

She was an elected representitive. bluedigger Mar 2016 #23

Exacccctly! MoonRiver Mar 2016 #90

The U.S. Government has three branches. Executive, Legislative, and Judicial. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #89

Some here have serious deficits in their ability to grasp nuance in language. MoonRiver Mar 2016 #91

"Washington (CNN)As recently as a year ago, Hillary Clinton was sparring with a public radio host rhett o rick Mar 2016 #8

uh oh... uponit7771 Mar 2016 #9

Oh god, the nonsense never ends. Vattel Mar 2016 #11

May I offer a broad-sweeping "fuck you" to the bastards who continue to impugn Bernie's character? cleopotrick Mar 2016 #12

Yep, they are backing the lesser candidate on this issue and many others. Broward Mar 2016 #16

+1000 Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #21

Hillary worked on racist Republican presidential campaign ! Liberal Insights Mar 2016 #13

When she was 12 with her parents right? Leaving those salient facts out leads people to ignore the uponit7771 Mar 2016 #17

She was President of the local College Republican chapter her first year at Wesley. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #37

If someone hasn't learned and changed in 50 years, there is something wrong with him/her, imo. randome Mar 2016 #19

Hillary's timeline is a little shorter. Broward Mar 2016 #22

Before she could vote, Progressive dog Mar 2016 #24

You mean this Mayor Sanders? surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #20

Of course they know it, but Hillary's record is so dismal they have to lie about Bernie's. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #29

Thank you for this oldandhappy Mar 2016 #75

That wasn't a marriage resolution, why do HC supporters make up stories? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #28

Sanders and Clinton have both always been for gay rights. Clinton and Sanders both opposed marriage seabeyond Mar 2016 #30

Bernie never opposed marriage equality, why make up stories about him? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #35

Yes he did. In 2006 seabeyond Mar 2016 #36

I added the quote from 2006, point out where he said he opposed it. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #39

For a socialist isn't it a hoot how often he goes to state rights when it comes to stuff like this? seabeyond Mar 2016 #41

Supporting states' rights to pass marriage equality is a bad thing to you? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #44

He used state rights to not have to stand for marriage equality. Which is a hoot for a socialist. seabeyond Mar 2016 #47

Read the quote, he was STANDING UP FOR MASSACHUSETTS' RIGHT TO PASS SSM. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #51

He did not stand up for Vermont to pass marriage equality. seabeyond Mar 2016 #71

He said it was too soon to try because it wouldn't pass - and he was right. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #76

Yeah. Because the repigs were attacking more enlightened states that were allowing same sex unions Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #67

And it was the Dems battle to avoid an amendment. seabeyond Mar 2016 #74

That has nothing to do with you regurgitating the "states rights" bullshit meme. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #86

It has to o with your discussion of DADT/DOMA. seabeyond Mar 2016 #87

That letter is a great find. surrealAmerican Mar 2016 #32

I doubt same sex marriage had anything to do with this "resolution" Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #33

Good point. They are desperate, aren't they? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #42

Correction -- It was pro-marriage and family but NOT anti gay marriage Armstead Mar 2016 #59

LOL riversedge Mar 2016 #73

Same sex marriage wasn't even being considered then. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #84

I agree...but it was pro-marriage and family Armstead Mar 2016 #88

So SICK of this bullshit... but when your candidate is a LYING shape-shifter, it must make one AzDar Mar 2016 #31

So SICK of this bullshit, but when your candidate is a loser..... seabeyond Mar 2016 #38

I'm sick of Hillary supporters exploiting this issue when her record on it sucks. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #46

I am sick of Sanders supporters lying about his true position to use this issue in their favor. seabeyond Mar 2016 #49

We're not the ones lying, our posts are backed up by facts, yours are not. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #53

Gee seabeyond, do you think we LGBT Bernie supporters have Stockholm Syndrome and need you to Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #58

"Bernie supporters have Stockholm Syndrome" Gee Blue, dont give me bigotry from Sanders supporters. seabeyond Mar 2016 #80

Wow. You are not only straight but you are a 'former' opponent of marriage equality yourself. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #50

All in the verbage, but i get that. I was never an "opponent". I did support civil unions for seabeyond Mar 2016 #77

Losing? Who has LOST a lead of nearly 30% points in a few months? WHO is gaining? It's HALFTIME AzDar Mar 2016 #52

2.75 million more votes. seabeyond Mar 2016 #82

DEBUNKED LostOne4Ever Mar 2016 #34

Good find!! Bookmarked for the next time this is used to lie about his record. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #40

Thanks for posting. No surprise here. Broward Mar 2016 #45

Thank you. nt TheDormouse Mar 2016 #62

NOT Debunked that he did sign it for whatever reason. riversedge Mar 2016 #78

Yes DEBUNKED because it didn't say anything about "marriage between a man and a woman". beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #79

Hillary supporters need to cut out the straight splaining, it's gauche. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #43

Both he and Hillary have evolved. What's your point? Vinca Mar 2016 #48

Her point is that Hillary's alter to Ronald and Nancy is still bothering Team Hillary as well it Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #55

Bernie didn't need to evolve, the op is telling falsehoods. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #56

I took the OP at face value. If Bernie signed something in the 80's it is what it is. Vinca Mar 2016 #65

Read the document, it has nothing to do with marriage between "a man and a woman". beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #68

Don't lie -- It said husband and wife -- not man and woman Armstead Mar 2016 #57

The OP is basically another 'Stockholm Syndrome' type post in which a majority member lectures Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #60

I'm really disappointed in the OP. There is clearly no statement in the resolution that TheDormouse Mar 2016 #64

Resolution is 1982. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #72

The op is a lie, read the resolution. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #81

Pathetic. You lie. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #83

Dishonest just like your Dear Leader I see shawn703 Mar 2016 #92