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2016 Postmortem

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Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:58 PM Mar 2016

Sanders still dismissing the black vote in the South which voted overwhelmingly for Hillary [View all]

Bernie Sanders on Sunday admitted he had been “creamed” in many southern states by his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton, but said Democrats were “not going to win those states in the general election”.

Sanders, speaking on CBS, was asked about the delegate math that gives Clinton a nigh-insurmountable lead in delegates and superdelegates combined.

Sanders said his campaign had a good path forward even though “the deep south” was “not a strong area for us”, and pointed out that in Illinois and Missouri the campaigns nearly split the delegates available despite Clinton winning the states.

“She creamed us in Mississippi and Louisiana and South Carolina,” he said, before adding that Democrats are “not going to win those states in the general election”.

“As we head to the west coast, which is probably the most progressive part of America, I think as you go forward you’re going to see us doing better and better.”


read: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/20/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-south-west-coast-us-election-2016?CMP=share_btn_tw


I gotta ask. Why would Californians be more progressive than black voters in the South? That's what those voters hear when Sanders turns his back on them and looks to the West for a mini-momentum miracle. There is no 'confederacy' vote in our Democratic primaries in the South, as Sanders surrogates termed the votes there last week.

The reason Sanders has done better outside of the South is the predominance of non-black voters in the Northern states he did well in, with a sprinkle of actual republican votes coming out of open-primaries (unlike the closed Southern primaries).

That said, he's going to find a fair share of minorities and others opposed to his campaign in California who will keep him from establishing little more than parity there with Hillary. It's a mystery why he believes this is his campaign's saving grace. At this point, the North/South and the West/South slams have been disproved in elections in Ohio, Mass., Illinois, Nevada, Missouri. What's the point in poking Southern voters in the eye every time he's looking to recover his losses there?

Why is Sanders already conceding those states to the GOP and ignoring the impact of this important group of voters? Hell, polls this week show that Trump's candidacy even makes Democrats competitive in solidly red states like Utah.

Black voters in the South and elsewhere who are a legacy of the registration efforts of Barack Obama's two-term presidency have given Hillary a resounding lead in delegates. Sanders' strategy is to downplay and dismiss those votes. Is there anything more shortsighted or counterproductive to the efforts of our Democratic coalition?


Propane Jane @docrocktex26
Saying “Hillary only won the Confederacy” isn’t just idiotic — it’s also bad for the Dem Party http://www.salon.com/2016/03/19/saying_hillary_only_won_the_confederacy_isnt_just_idiotic_its_also_bad_for_the_democratic_party/
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Still at it huh? NWCorona Mar 2016 #1
Baiters gotta bait n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #4
Yup! NWCorona Mar 2016 #5
Repeating Sanders own words with context?! Yeap, gonna keep at it too k? thx uponit7771 Mar 2016 #37
I'd expect nothing less NWCorona Mar 2016 #39
Ego. Nt seabeyond Mar 2016 #2
This. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #114
The west coast is more progressive than the south. Period. arcane1 Mar 2016 #3
he's comparing them to what he KNOWS is the overwhelming black vote in the South bigtree Mar 2016 #6
Whatever you need to say to make yourself feel... whatever it is you're trying to feel. arcane1 Mar 2016 #7
no, goddamn it. None of this makes me 'feel better' bigtree Mar 2016 #8
He has changed his message totally. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #101
It's not anti-southern black for Bernie to try to do better among POC on the West Coast Ken Burch Mar 2016 #102
I beg to differ Setsuna1972 Mar 2016 #111
Not in the context of democrats but go ahead keep telling yourselves what you want to hear no matter uponit7771 Mar 2016 #38
Democrats in CA are not more progressive than Democrats in SC yardwork Mar 2016 #94
His numbers include some conservative states KingFlorez Mar 2016 #9
He beat Hillary in SC with "very liberal" voters. Vattel Mar 2016 #24
So? He still did his best in the most conservative counties in the state KingFlorez Mar 2016 #29
If he can win with "very liberal voters" even in SC, that should tell you something. Vattel Mar 2016 #34
That there aren't enough "very liberal" voters for him to win the primary? tia uponit7771 Mar 2016 #43
that does seem to be a problem Vattel Mar 2016 #84
He did not beat her with "liberal" voters overall... nor with democrats overall. Nice try though uponit7771 Mar 2016 #42
But he did beat her with very liberal voters, which is what I said. Vattel Mar 2016 #86
Sanders Camp response: ....HEY !!! ....HEY!!! This is a no fact zone dammit!! uponit7771 Mar 2016 #40
Fact free zone? RANGERMAN89 Mar 2016 #115
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #10
Not happening NWCorona Mar 2016 #12
Hahahhahahahha RANGERMAN89 Mar 2016 #15
Well sir, the majority of the Democratic Party agrees with "the wife of the man.....yadda yadda"... George II Mar 2016 #17
"the majority of the Democratic Party agrees"? kristopher Mar 2016 #22
Oh wow RANGERMAN89 Mar 2016 #107
In what manner is she "defending" payday lenders? I think you missed something in that article. George II Mar 2016 #108
Please RANGERMAN89 Mar 2016 #109
How does she accumulate 10 hides without getting a kick from the pizza boot? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #30
10 hides in a SINGLE MONTH. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #41
Simple answer. Because Bernie is not Hillary. Autumn Mar 2016 #83
Yeah, it's odd, isn't it. /nt Marr Mar 2016 #96
I don't expect much from Sanders. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #11
He's even calling it the "Deep South", as an apparent code word. R B Garr Mar 2016 #13
LOL! The deep south is used all of the time, and never for the way you're implying. Dawgs Mar 2016 #21
LOL yourself! "Deep South" is obviously a regional denotation with implications R B Garr Mar 2016 #66
I've lived in three southern states. redstateblues Mar 2016 #77
Hunh? Hissyspit Mar 2016 #32
Bernie's right. Autumn Mar 2016 #14
Nah, he did his best in conservative counties uponit7771 Mar 2016 #44
You know that's not true. Look at their politicians and the DINOS they elect and then tell me Autumn Mar 2016 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Mar 2016 #49
Facts DO matter as you stated to me earlier. You don't get to makeup your own facts. Autumn Mar 2016 #59
Kansas and OK, redest states ever since civil war and not full of the "others"? tia uponit7771 Mar 2016 #61
I adressed what Bernie said that article the OP posted, I don't see anything about Kansas and OK Autumn Mar 2016 #67
CA is whiter than OK. OK has the largest percentage of Native Americans of any of the 50 continental Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #87
What did he say that was inaccurate? We're not going to win those states? Look at the last 50 years EndElectoral Mar 2016 #16
The South as a bloc, yes Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #18
Why didn't he say something like.. DCBob Mar 2016 #20
Why does the OP mention "black voters"? n/t Dawgs Mar 2016 #25
because of the overwhelming number of those voters who supported Hillary bigtree Mar 2016 #28
Because Sanders is mostly resonating with white male voters? You know, the coalition that HRC uponit7771 Mar 2016 #45
I had saved this a while back from The Hill. I found it interesting. Autumn Mar 2016 #80
Thanks for some reality. It's a "grown up" look at actual voting. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #85
Oh please, give it a rest Armstead Mar 2016 #19
It does get tiresome, doesn't it? Vattel Mar 2016 #26
Where does he mention the "black voter"? Dawgs Mar 2016 #23
I read the statement by Sanders and do not see the word "black" panader0 Mar 2016 #27
the answer is apparent to so many people outside of this forum that it's almost embarrassing bigtree Mar 2016 #31
I truly do not believe that Sanders or his supporters are oblivious to the importance panader0 Mar 2016 #35
Strawman, no one said they were racist just dismissive as he has been since the beginning of his... uponit7771 Mar 2016 #46
Many, many HRC supporters on this site have called Sanders supporters racist. panader0 Mar 2016 #50
Some of them have been overtly racist and with willing supporters to rec their overtly racist ... uponit7771 Mar 2016 #51
You're losing your mind. The stress of supporting Hillary is getting to you! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #90
blocked bigtree Mar 2016 #98
Blocked! (Guess I struck a nerve)... tee hee Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #103
He's being totally honest and practical tularetom Mar 2016 #33
Who the in the HELL is running this guys campaign?! He sounds like someone with a REDDIT account !!! uponit7771 Mar 2016 #36
I find nothing wrong with Bernie deciding to write off black Southern voters. Renaissance Man Mar 2016 #48
LOL ... a "progressive" campaign that's mostly homogeneous racially in a non homogeneous party uponit7771 Mar 2016 #53
I don't get your post. Renaissance Man Mar 2016 #54
"writing" off the marginalized isn't progressive in any way, Sanders isn't a progressive he's angry uponit7771 Mar 2016 #56
This is what Hillary did that bugs me. Her people infiltrated Sander's campaign and hurt it Zira Mar 2016 #75
Replying so I can find this easier at a later time. ebayfool Mar 2016 #95
When did Dems last win Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #52
2016, a real democrat won those states in the primary which is his context so... yeah, Sanders is uponit7771 Mar 2016 #55
The presidential elections have already occurred? Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #57
There's a difference between primary and general election, its sad that some Sanders supporters uponit7771 Mar 2016 #60
Gosh, we are talking about Sanders, a presidential candidate, Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #62
He lost the PRIMARY in three states, a word that's being left out of your retort but whatever... uponit7771 Mar 2016 #64
And again, he was, and I am Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #70
Yup, but we have to be careful about repeating Sanders' own words about who R B Garr Mar 2016 #68
Right. It's part of the conservative 'bible belt' ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #63
Like Kansas and OK were there are less black folk but their two of the redest stats in the union!? uponit7771 Mar 2016 #65
They are part of that conservative belt I spoke of ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #72
Saying that he'll do better out of the south should get the same outrage as "super predators" got whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #58
It's a fact he'll do better out of the South. The South is for Hillary. Zira Mar 2016 #74
Yes, it was disgusting whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #79
The gross part about it is that it's so disenguous. When cornered on one of these slimey Marr Mar 2016 #97
I remember 8 years ago RandySF Mar 2016 #69
Bernie didn't write off southern voters, they wrote him off. Vinca Mar 2016 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #73
How many Times was Hillary arrested for protesting civil rights.... LonelyLiberalOhio Mar 2016 #76
He knows how to "spin" a... Mike Nelson Mar 2016 #78
Tell it to this guy whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #81
why do you hate Latinos? Enrique Mar 2016 #82
blocked bigtree Mar 2016 #99
The title of your thread so totally dishonest - surprise! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #88
We are not going to win Kansas, Nebraska, or Oklahoma either. iandhr Mar 2016 #89
A campaign has to prioritize hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #91
the western Democratic voters probably tend to be less religious 0rganism Mar 2016 #92
I was assured here on DU that Bernie was going to win all 50 states. RandySF Mar 2016 #93
Anothe Clinton supporter lie. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #104
He's not dismissing black voters in the South. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #100
Don't bother - they never answer to reason. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #105
Of course he is. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #106
this is why I can't support Sanders Setsuna1972 Mar 2016 #110
Those states are deep, deep red. PeteSelman Mar 2016 #112
I heard Bernie was arrested for running an all-lives-matter protest! Orsino Mar 2016 #113
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