2016 Postmortem

pantsonfire

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32. Over 50% of Hillary supporter's in 08 said they wouldn't vote for Obama...

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:48 AM

Mar 2016

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/

Who are these outsiders?

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Open Primaries for New York #SchumerOpenPrimaries, Sign the petition! [View all] pantsonfire Mar 2016 OP

Or the could just follow election laws & get their shit straight ahead giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #1

I don't believe Senator Schumer can unilaterally change his state party's election rules. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #3

Apparently not, since most don't understand how caucuses giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #16

The State legislature decides which kind of primary they will hold. stopbush Mar 2016 #175

Most Bernie supporters are new to politics CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #217

At least they care about politics for a change...nt pantsonfire Mar 2016 #223

Here is a link to my post that explains the NYS primary rule that.... Walk away Mar 2016 #228

yeah, this. artyteacher Mar 2016 #6

This sums it up perfectly. Thank you! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #18

Follow election laws... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #8

Follow the law. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #13

small perspective. . .. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #51

I could give a shit less if it's BS or HRC. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #130

Wow. I'd hug you. K&R this response. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #144

Aww thanks. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #145

So-called Independent voters break down evenly across party lines. stopbush Mar 2016 #178

I'm against open primaries. stopbush Mar 2016 #174

Agreed. I don't want open primaries for that reason. Love the "form your own damn party". Laser102 Mar 2016 #192

I'm strongly for closed primaries. If you want to vote Democratic, pnwmom Mar 2016 #200

Indeed. George II Mar 2016 #155

The date to change party affiliation in NY was back in October. FourScore Mar 2016 #209

Toooo bad, know your election laws. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #211

Maybe so but I don't think he was a Democrat yet back then. Walk away Mar 2016 #230

He did so he wouldn't split the vote and give the election to the Republicans. n/t FourScore Mar 2016 #231

That funny because he recently said that he ran as a Democrate in order to get more exposure. Walk away Mar 2016 #233

Why should non-Democrats decide the Democratic nominee ? Start your own party. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #2

Because Sanders can't win any other way. That's why. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #12

He would benefit from the independent vote that is currently being silenced. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #23

If they aren't part of this party Codeine Mar 2016 #27

silenced? hardly. This is the Democratic primary redstateblues Mar 2016 #78

They could join a party if they want to vote in the primary. No one is silencing them. They are Pisces Mar 2016 #151

They can in some states, not in NY if you decide too late to register, but that's your fault. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #154

In California, the party decides who may vote in its primary Retrograde Mar 2016 #166

Silenced? From what? Not being able to vote for Trump? stopbush Mar 2016 #177

Independents might like to vote for a democrat or republican.... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #14

And they''ll get that choice...in the General Election. brooklynite Mar 2016 #82

Bingo! stopbush Mar 2016 #179

A choice between two candidates they had no decision in making... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #220

They shouldn't get a "decision in making"... brooklynite Mar 2016 #221

I detest our primary system....nt pantsonfire Mar 2016 #222

Do you understand the purpose of primaries? LisaM Mar 2016 #205

Changing the rules mid-stream? Tarc Mar 2016 #4

well said. eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #9

What's wrong with making an election more democratic? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #15

A political party chooses its rules, that's kinda how it works Tarc Mar 2016 #59

In New York, at least, that's kinda NOT how it works. Jim Lane Mar 2016 #214

Sorry. No anti-Hillary, right-wing crossover cavalry to the rescue. LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #131

No, Absolutely Wrong... What We Are attempting to Foster Is Democracy Given That "Someone" CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #234

The OP links to a petition to one of the most "corporatist" Democrats. LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #236

Nothing that getting involved in a political party stopbush Mar 2016 #183

Signed cantbeserious Mar 2016 #5

Great! To me open primaries = more democratic pantsonfire Mar 2016 #26

Is it more democratic brer cat Mar 2016 #199

Or move to a country with a better democratic government....nt pantsonfire Mar 2016 #235

Lol yeah right rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #7

right on eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #11

You're fearful the Republicans will take over in an open primary? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #20

What would prohibit them from doing so? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #22

Not hardly rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #29

You're probably right, though an open primary is a tool... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #58

Here's the thing rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #64

I feel the same with Hillary Supporters... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #193

I got banned from the Bernie Bus for something small-I didn't redstateblues Mar 2016 #201

What was the reason given? Or non at all? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #218

I've been banned from both rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #216

well there you go...what group cages you now? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #219

Free range squirrel eom rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #225

second triple this! Her Sister Mar 2016 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author firebrand80 Mar 2016 #10

You wish workinclasszero Mar 2016 #17

Would it not benefit democracy? At least 20% of Americans identify as Independents pantsonfire Mar 2016 #21

Its a contest to determine the democratic candidate workinclasszero Mar 2016 #31

I identify as an independent and.. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #60

............... sufrommich Mar 2016 #19

Most life-long Democrats do not appreciate their candidate being decided by outsiders. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #24

Over 50% of Hillary supporter's in 08 said they wouldn't vote for Obama... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #32

Different ball game marions ghost Mar 2016 #39

True, but its what at 33% Sanders supporters wouldn't... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #61

Not getting your point marions ghost Mar 2016 #114

50% vs. 33% pantsonfire Mar 2016 #137

Gotcha marions ghost Mar 2016 #138

You get people into voting first marions ghost Mar 2016 #38

What? Wisdom finally appears on this thread... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #63

Let's see: stopbush Mar 2016 #180

No you really don't got it marions ghost Mar 2016 #181

Oh, I think I know the lay of the land. stopbush Mar 2016 #182

Spoken like a RepugliCon marions ghost Mar 2016 #186

If, whatever. Who cares? stopbush Mar 2016 #187

Don't know you so how can I think you are evil? marions ghost Mar 2016 #188

I see no reason to coddle you or your views. stopbush Mar 2016 #194

I see, nasty = not coddling marions ghost Mar 2016 #196

I am not in favor of the serial comma. stopbush Mar 2016 #198

Thank you marions ghost Mar 2016 #203

I'm sure you can point to the legal authority Codeine Mar 2016 #25

Actually, Schumer, Kirsten Gillebrand, and Charles Rangel are those who make election law... George II Mar 2016 #156

LOL.. DCBob Mar 2016 #28

It's a protest letter, he probably doesn't, but if you believe in open primaries... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #34

I think all primaries should be closed. DCBob Mar 2016 #36

Translation: Bernie is losing, so change the rules! DanTex Mar 2016 #30

Nailed it workinclasszero Mar 2016 #33

It's not going to change, but do you agree with the closed primary system? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #37

Closed primary has got to go marions ghost Mar 2016 #40

Yes I agree with democrats voting for democrats workinclasszero Mar 2016 #41

Why do we have to accept there are only two sides? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #65

You don't have to workinclasszero Mar 2016 #72

What sould I call it? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #83

We have multiple parties in this nation. MADem Mar 2016 #132

Nope. How is it closing it off to Is? stopbush Mar 2016 #184

Boom. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #75

and democracy dies.... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #84

Lulz Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #94

I'm fine here in CA, I can vote for whoever I want on primary day. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #113

Drama, drama! brer cat Mar 2016 #212

I think the Arizona result woke up some of the "Favorable Map / Favorable Calendar" crew alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #147

Perfect summation! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #163

Pretty fucking much! Number23 Mar 2016 #238

No leftynyc Mar 2016 #35

Independent voters are on the rise.... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #43

Nothing stopping you or them leftynyc Mar 2016 #46

Ok, good luck with that. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #67

Thank you leftynyc Mar 2016 #69

the vote is for the DEMOCRATIC nominee - if you want to vote, register DrDan Mar 2016 #42

unless you can't decide until the day before due to unforseen circumstances... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #47

either register by the appropriate time - or you do not get to vote DrDan Mar 2016 #52

You realize you had to register by October, six months before the primary... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #68

it was not a secret, right? DrDan Mar 2016 #70

I will, you on board to help for next election? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #85

not an issue in my state DrDan Mar 2016 #89

The campaigns knew this information. I get 4 emails a day from Bernie. Not 1 gave out this info. Pisces Mar 2016 #153

So, a senator can change state laws? NewHampshiriteGuy Mar 2016 #45

You do in closed primaries...open primaries not the case. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #49

At the very least, people should be able to change their party affiliation xynthee Mar 2016 #48

The common democrat machine, hellbent on keeping its grip of power in NY. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #53

Unsurprising, the Weathervaners imply they don't give a rat's ass about y'know, VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #50

then your candidate should be running as a, y'know, one of the 39% DrDan Mar 2016 #56

Then I assume you've been doing your part to move democracy along VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #57

I do happen to support them - I am registered as an independent - and fully recognize DrDan Mar 2016 #62

Whaaaat? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #71

I prefer to remain an independent. My choice, right? DrDan Mar 2016 #73

You just said you can't vote democrat.... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #87

in the primary - that is correct DrDan Mar 2016 #90

:headdesk: Blue_Adept Mar 2016 #54

I'll take straw grasping for $1000 Alex JoePhilly Mar 2016 #55

Daily Double pantsonfire Mar 2016 #77

Everything ... You don't change the rules ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #79

Damn... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #91

Send it to Bernie ... Looks like he could use it. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #93

Really? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #121

This kind of petition, real or not, will only anger the super delegates. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #66

BS pantsonfire Mar 2016 #74

I don't like to call people naive...so I won't brooklynite Mar 2016 #76

I don't like to call people not ignorant...so I will. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #81

The last State election was in 2014.... brooklynite Mar 2016 #86

Right, but they can't vote for a democrat, only another independent? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #95

Correct, and that's fine with me brooklynite Mar 2016 #107

I will consider it... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #119

Then start an Independent Party! randome Mar 2016 #109

Yeah because the two-party system hasn't been dominant for 200 years. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #120

Lol, too bad, so sad nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #80

Don't waste your time. The only people that think this has a shot know nothing about NY. Renew Deal Mar 2016 #88

You're right, I'm glad CA is different. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #98

Me too Renew Deal Mar 2016 #103

What stage are we on? nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #92

Stage Five pantsonfire Mar 2016 #96

Bargaining. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #97

Just a little... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #100

Mrs. Ross should have added a LOL stage. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #99

and a FAIL stage nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #118

Denied....n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #101

Hillary will win NY and probably the primary.... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #104

As a resident of NYC I will not sign this. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #102

No one is forcing you. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #106

Why should he make that call for Independents? bravenak Mar 2016 #105

Who are these outsiders i keep hearing about? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #108

INDEPENDENTS are outsiders to the DEMOCRATIC PARTY bravenak Mar 2016 #110

There are independents inside the party as well, you just don't know who. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #112

Not enough to determine the winner bravenak Mar 2016 #115

Totally. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #122

In reality only about 10% of Independents do not vote along party lines. That being said, in MA seaglass Mar 2016 #111

What are democrats? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #116

The people who maintain the structures to win elections and keep the repubs from owing my womb bravenak Mar 2016 #127

Chuck Schumer has no authority of NY state primary rules. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #117

I'm sure there's a letter to him as well... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #123

such concerns should have been made years ago. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #125

Actually, it would be Cesar A. Perales, New York Secretary of State and the State Assembly Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #135

Hell, no--I don't want a bunch of Libertarians, Greens and Communists picking the MADem Mar 2016 #126

No! let Dems pic our nominee! upaloopa Mar 2016 #128

Done. yellerpup Mar 2016 #129

People need to address that petition to Cesar A. Perales, New York Secretary of State Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #133

Schumer is a war monger and in the pockets of Wall Street BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #134

No thanks oberliner Mar 2016 #136

Why don't you let Texans vote for the NY legislature while you're at it. KitSileya Mar 2016 #139

That line of logic is slippery... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #140

Wow. You went there. KitSileya Mar 2016 #141

Illogical. You physically jumped from Texas to NY... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #142

I could have used a different state. But the analogy stays the same. KitSileya Mar 2016 #143

Well there's only one President of the United States at any given time. pantsonfire Mar 2016 #152

Yeah, and not everyone gets to vote for her. KitSileya Mar 2016 #159

Why don't we petition Skinner to change the name of this site to Independent Underground DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #146

Good idea.... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #148

Posters at DU hate Discussionist and few venture there... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #150

Both parties depend on the Independent vote so why not? Phlem Mar 2016 #157

Why have parties at all if anybody can nominate their leaders? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #160

Why have a vote? Phlem Mar 2016 #164

Let me give you a hint that might help your candidate's campaign DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #165

"It is this intellectual and moral arrogance that... Phlem Mar 2016 #167

Thinking you care about other people DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #168

Dude, you said it, I didn't. Phlem Mar 2016 #169

Dude... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #170

Uh no. Phlem Mar 2016 #171

Respectfully... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #172

Respectfully, I have never not once said Phlem Mar 2016 #173

I am not saying you are intellectually or morally ignorant because you have PTSD. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #176

listen, this "Their decisions affect my life." is what I was Phlem Mar 2016 #189

Where was you petition in 2012, 2008?? These rule changes can't occur during an election. Pisces Mar 2016 #149

Jeff Weaver and Tad Devine rbrnmw Mar 2016 #162

So changing the rules so they are tailored for your particular candidate is ok? Tarc Mar 2016 #202

I meant they should have been telling his supporters the rules rbrnmw Mar 2016 #206

I'm going to say knowing your election laws would giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #207

I know I've seen better management in Student Counsel Campaigns rbrnmw Mar 2016 #208

Done. Phlem Mar 2016 #158

If you can win under existing rules, then change them Gothmog Mar 2016 #161

Loserspeak KingFlorez Mar 2016 #185

I guess Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 #190

Good luck with that! wysi Mar 2016 #191

There is no way Schumer would support this. He's all in for Wall Street. w4rma Mar 2016 #195

feel good activism JI7 Mar 2016 #197

I can see it now. When Hillary wins under the longstanding existing rules of the NY Dem party... wyldwolf Mar 2016 #204

I WANT MY MTV!!!!! redstateblues Mar 2016 #210

Has Sanders complained at any point about Closed Primaries? brooklynite Mar 2016 #213

I think open primaries are more democratic... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #215

Open primaries are rife for manipulation. Adrahil Mar 2016 #237

No mythology Mar 2016 #224

Nope leftofcool Mar 2016 #226

You don't get to change the rules once the process has begun. Maybe next time. Metric System Mar 2016 #227

My favorite part of this BainsBane Mar 2016 #229

Sometimes jokes just write themselves on DU cosmicone Mar 2016 #232

Shouldn't you be petitioning the Assembly & Senate of NY State... Historic NY Mar 2016 #239