2016 Postmortem

Kali

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295. I have reassessed my feelings on this, but I don't want to be a chicken shit and change my earlier

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:23 PM

Mar 2016

comment. I was going by previous experience with the "independents" in other elections. There does indeed seem to have been huge problems in both Pima and Maricopa counties. Especially Maricopa. (Pima experienced some kind of bomb threat!)

I apologize for jumping the gun on this story on Tuesday evening. My opinion was based on the way independents are classified here in AZ - they have never been allowed to vote in the PPE, and from the early reports it sounded like the problems were mostly a bunch of Trump fans that were all excited to come vote but weren't registered to the party. I had no idea that Maricopa county had reduced the number of poling places so drastically nor the party switching errors that were happening.

I also apologize for whatever caused you to have me on ignore (and I confess to major curiosity as to what that was, since I rarely post outside of the Lounge - and didn't we work on MIRT together a while back?).

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As Of 5 Minutes Ago I Stopped Being A Democrat - Arizona [View all] scottie55 Mar 2016 OP

Honestly, everyone should be an independent, at least in thought. It doesn't make sense that either anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #1

i disagree. there are democratic values and DesertFlower Mar 2016 #116

And then there are progressive values pinebox Mar 2016 #161

+1 Well said. BeanMusical Mar 2016 #165

+1 RepubliCON-Watch Mar 2016 #177

Booyah!! +1 KPN Mar 2016 #228

Values? Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #182

+1000 [n/t] stranger81 Mar 2016 #194

there are still democratic values, i.e., a woman's DesertFlower Mar 2016 #248

I think what you mentioned are important... Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #297

Along with the poster, I have to agree - there USED to be Democratic values we could agree on. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #203

You are right. Which is why I can't call myself a Democrat any longer. Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #204

The Democrats abandoned their values from Bill Clinton on . . .when he decided to drop the Unions pdsimdars Mar 2016 #238

Many of the democratic values I grew up with aren't part of the Democratic Party anymore. progressoid Mar 2016 #242

Youre complaining about mail-in ballots now? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #2

Yes, and early voting. Agschmid Mar 2016 #6

I read "closed polling places" - did you see that? snowy owl Mar 2016 #14

Republicans are responsible for that, not Democrats. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #31

Would love to see some data on that CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #137

Democrats are also responsible for Republican Hortensis Mar 2016 #195

Democrats Could Make It Easier To Vote scottie55 Mar 2016 #224

A researcher of far right and left personality Hortensis Mar 2016 #225

would any democrat hate hillary so much as to leave the party? MariaThinks Mar 2016 #229

Yes ablamj Mar 2016 #263

How does Arizona handle mail-in ballots? Retrograde Mar 2016 #157

Anyone can get one mwrguy Mar 2016 #172

It's called no-excuse absentee voting LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #271

I'm just figuring this out tonight. The lack of polling places suppresses the working poor vote. reformist2 Mar 2016 #3

They've been able to vote for weeks. Agschmid Mar 2016 #7

Arizona LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #270

I would expect no less Califonz Mar 2016 #4

You are clueless dbackjon Mar 2016 #20

Ah! BeanMusical Mar 2016 #89

Except the state party didn't establish the voting procedures. Zynx Mar 2016 #5

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #12

The State Dems Did Nothing - They Could Have - 400 Polling Places to 60 - Insane scottie55 Mar 2016 #67

These 400-60 numbers, where is this? CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #98

Post #43 scottie55 Mar 2016 #147

They had 200 some voting locations during the 2012 primary election. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #273

Apparently you don't understand that Republicans run Arizona CreekDog Mar 2016 #152

1. In AZ Republican officials run the system, which is 'imperfect'. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #246

It was 200 to 60 - still VERY problematic sweetloukillbot Mar 2016 #158

The Democratic Party is NOT in charge of elections. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #272

who decided to cut precincts down to 60? Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #245

And people on this site are blaming the victims of the intentional disinfranchisement. vintx Mar 2016 #8

I honestly can't tell the most prolific pro-Hillary posters from a Republican. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #129

I know what you mean. senz Mar 2016 #174

Yep 840high Mar 2016 #183

same here. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #189

Neither can I Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #191

Or Sanders voters from GOPrs who are calling for voter suppression cause of made up CTs uponit7771 Mar 2016 #193

It really bugs me with Bernie supporters making stuff up. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #274

I can't tell the most vocal anti Clinton voice here from the Republicans either Hereiam2005 Mar 2016 #199

You've been here for a few days. LOL. Welcome. KittyWampus Mar 2016 #223

Well, that's because you lack insight and interpretive skill. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2016 #237

Adhominem all the way. Cheers. Hereiam2005 Mar 2016 #265

It's the Sanders supporters who seem intent on ignoring the facts regarding AZ KittyWampus Mar 2016 #222

Yes it has. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #275

Well.............. workinclasszero Mar 2016 #9

+1 firebrand80 Mar 2016 #186

Thank you for bringing this here. artislife Mar 2016 #10

Agree, there is a reason for these "irregularities", "anomalies" and long lines at the polls. Snarkoleptic Mar 2016 #49

^^this^^ Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #168

You got it. senz Mar 2016 #180

+1 Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #281

We need something to stop the cheating. Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #286

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #11

Yeah, they're just making stuff up. Histrionics about lies are things crazy people do. Zynx Mar 2016 #17

I call BS on you and Geek artislife Mar 2016 #60

Do you believe that races are being stolen from Sanders? Zynx Mar 2016 #91

I find that there are a lot of irregularities artislife Mar 2016 #107

Many years ago, when Ohio went to black box voting... peace13 Mar 2016 #209

Damn it! You're right and it pisses me off!... druidity33 Mar 2016 #252

: ) peace13 Mar 2016 #254

In our state, the Election Board has limited say in who works the election LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #276

For a good laugh, check out her transparency page. 5 hides in just the past 4 days, and 10 total. Electric Monk Mar 2016 #95

Gosh. I guess I love the amnesty now! artislife Mar 2016 #102

I just checked....only 2 in the last 90. artislife Mar 2016 #114

The other one, above. The hidden post poster. nt Electric Monk Mar 2016 #139

Oh...Okay. artislife Mar 2016 #141

Oh HER! Yes, you are so spot on. I just sit and laugh at her lies and smears now. closeupready Mar 2016 #236

I see what you did there. OilemFirchen Mar 2016 #115

I haven't listened to Ron Paul artislife Mar 2016 #119

Alrighty then! OilemFirchen Mar 2016 #130

Except the Dem and GOP primaries are at the same exact polls obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #190

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2016 #196

Yep Andy823 Mar 2016 #36

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #65

Yep - I Was Never A Democrat scottie55 Mar 2016 #71

Am I supposed to be impressed that you have 20k to donate? Agschmid Mar 2016 #76

"Don't we already have a poster who likes to flaunt their wallet?" BeanMusical Mar 2016 #99

I do ;) Agschmid Mar 2016 #103

I Didn't Have 20K To Give, And I Gave Anyway scottie55 Mar 2016 #112

Did you mean to reply to Agschmid? BeanMusical Mar 2016 #126

Thanks for the 20k. Our super pacs will take over from here oasis Mar 2016 #120

Do you really believe she will do that? artislife Mar 2016 #133

Why not? Even if she wouldn't be running for a second term oasis Mar 2016 #148

Why wouldn't she run for a second term? artislife Mar 2016 #150

Ginsburg and Breyer. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #187

Getting rid of Citizens United would be ungrateful to the sponsors & donors senz Mar 2016 #179

Yet the 2 SCOTUS appointees who presided over that decision Amimnoch Mar 2016 #188

I fixed your post: Kermitt Gribble Mar 2016 #240

Exactly scottie55 Mar 2016 #280

Just so you know... Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #13

Yep. Can't argue with that AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #29

Ohh Agador.... Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #42

Yes. Yes, we do! That is my FAVORITE line in the movie. Lol AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #146

It's such a great film! Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #154

Thank you! In the crazy world of politics, we need all the laughter we can get. AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #159

The GOP County Recorder closed the polling locations dbackjon Mar 2016 #15

Calm down. Unlike caucuses run by the parties, the states run primaries and determine when polls . . brush Mar 2016 #16

such a clear headed rational reply Mary Mac Mar 2016 #264

Thank you, Mary Mac. brush Mar 2016 #266

It's the "I'm no longer a Democrat" post of the March 22 primaries alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #18

I think I'll take a self imposed vacation that night. Agschmid Mar 2016 #21

Not me obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #37

The Democrats didn't make that decision. onenote Mar 2016 #19

Aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh... Agschmid Mar 2016 #25

Was that a Wilhelm Scream? 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #57

Why yes indeed! Agschmid Mar 2016 #59

Adieu, O monde cruel..... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #22

Poor Scottie calguy Mar 2016 #23

i agree. nt DesertFlower Mar 2016 #46

Wow, just wow CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #72

Amen. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #109

+1 Yes, pretty pathetic. BeanMusical Mar 2016 #111

I doubt they can understand what you are saying, CC. senz Mar 2016 #181

Yeah, it is about voter suppression blaming the wrong people. KitSileya Mar 2016 #210

they could give a flying f noiretextatique Mar 2016 #212

I Didn't Bet On Any Horse scottie55 Mar 2016 #78

I can somewhat understand, i made sure there where no kids fathered by me for many of those reasons nolabels Mar 2016 #184

a lot of dumbasses think being independant is the "cool" thing to do Kali Mar 2016 #24

+1000 n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #34

my late husband was an independent, but DesertFlower Mar 2016 #50

yeah, I know a few that are doing that for various strategic reasons Kali Mar 2016 #73

i didn't know that. by that time i would DesertFlower Mar 2016 #123

it is all part of the crazy system, for sure Kali Mar 2016 #167

A lot of dumbasses know the two-party system is a fucking joke. frylock Mar 2016 #241

The reports I've seen chervilant Mar 2016 #267

I have reassessed my feelings on this, but I don't want to be a chicken shit and change my earlier Kali Mar 2016 #295

I disagree with your defense Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #287

you can read my reply to chervilant, or not Kali Mar 2016 #296

You do realize the AZ GOP did that, right? obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #26

SO... asuhornets Mar 2016 #27

Educate yourself. Codeine Mar 2016 #28

Why couldn't the young, hard working people cosmicone Mar 2016 #30

i've been using mail in ballots since '92. DesertFlower Mar 2016 #54

The state party did not close polling places. The Republican in charge of Maricopa County did. LonePirate Mar 2016 #32

Over reaction seems to be the order of the day. onenote Mar 2016 #39

Don't let the door hit ya MadBadger Mar 2016 #33

American "democracy" in action. This is what veterans lost limbs for. nt valerief Mar 2016 #35

I'm with you. I thought that the party actually believed in Democracy Lorien Mar 2016 #38

I would expect something like this from someone with low post count..... we can do it Mar 2016 #256

Thank you for saying Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #284

But wasn't it the state that cut polling places, not the Democrats? LisaM Mar 2016 #40

yes obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #44

So long MelSC Mar 2016 #41

Shameful of the whoever the hell in AZ (from your link). ebayfool Mar 2016 #43

Democrats don't control the electoral system there. Codeine Mar 2016 #47

I stand corrected. I hit the Google and caught some of the shenanigans going on ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #77

Clearly, it is a form of voter suppression. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #52

Yes, it is. From what I'm reading it has affected Latino communities hard. Some had ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #87

I agree...So wrong. Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #285

LOL, if you think Democrats are in charge, why would they double polling places in 2012? MadBadger Mar 2016 #66

And I have corrected my post ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #136

It's always something BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #45

LOL workinclasszero Mar 2016 #131

I am so sorry. I know exactly what you are feeling! CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #48

+1000 astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #160

+1000 plus +1000 Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #283

Stopped being a democrat janlea Mar 2016 #51

Unless there is a court order, they will most likely be tossed into the trash. w4rma Mar 2016 #63

Stopped being a democrat janlea Mar 2016 #145

Stay Democrat for future closed primaries. They're dying off. Folks like you are the future. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #163

How many times do I need to repeat the same fact? RandySF Mar 2016 #53

People know this Gwhittey Mar 2016 #85

The neoliberal wing of the Democratic Party supports your decision to disenfranchise yourself in w4rma Mar 2016 #55

"State Democrats only made the decision to not really do much about it." liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #68

I haven't seen an ounce of sympathy from the neoliberal wing, yet. w4rma Mar 2016 #75

The Whole System Is Rigged By Both Sides scottie55 Mar 2016 #56

"Purcell couldn't have done it if the Democrats didn't let her" onenote Mar 2016 #61

Step 1: State some things that are untrue jsmirman Mar 2016 #100

+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #166

So you were proving wrong with a so awesome fail OP, this is your spin? snooper2 Mar 2016 #219

Damn the bastards for voting! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #58

Do you ever reach a point of embarrassment over your ignorance? jsmirman Mar 2016 #62

All the snark & lack of empathy for OP is very disappointing TheDormouse Mar 2016 #64

The Hillary supporters are all happy for their "win". From every single post, they obviously could w4rma Mar 2016 #69

which is no better dana_b Mar 2016 #173

I wouldnt reflexively blame the Democrats/Hillary MadBadger Mar 2016 #70

THEY'RE STILL IN LINE RIGHT NOW. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #80

So not turned away MadBadger Mar 2016 #82

The largest county in Arizona screwed up people's voting registrations. w4rma Mar 2016 #94

Seeing A Line 5 Hours Long Is The Same Thing scottie55 Mar 2016 #81

you've been here 2 months, how much credibility do you think your story has CreekDog Mar 2016 #93

Hillary's voters are mostly over 45. 77% of the early voting were from voters over 45. w4rma Mar 2016 #97

yeah, but you waited for seven hours for the Iphone4 when it came out snooper2 Mar 2016 #220

By in large voter suppression is happening to the poor and minority communities. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #79

It's the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party. w4rma Mar 2016 #88

Exactly scottie55 Mar 2016 #90

Wait, you mean those communities that overwhelmingly vote for Hillary? jsmirman Mar 2016 #113

he blamed the Democrats for fewer polling places in this primary than before CreekDog Mar 2016 #86

It's not snark! It's annoyance! jsmirman Mar 2016 #134

Are you ok? KMOD Mar 2016 #74

Maybe he needs a fainting couch. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #83

How Hillary thinks she can win the GE amazes me emsimon33 Mar 2016 #84

Yes, I would vote for Hillary. Alert/Ban away MadBadger Mar 2016 #92

I Didn't Say I Wouldn't Vote For Hillary scottie55 Mar 2016 #101

"The Party" Let This Happen scottie55 Mar 2016 #105

I wasnt talking to you MadBadger Mar 2016 #108

And her supporters with all of their snide arrogance aren't helping her, not one little tiny bit. nt w4rma Mar 2016 #104

The cheating and Rovian tactics aren't helping either emsimon33 Mar 2016 #128

I'm not comfortable with president Trump, but that is what we'll see with her as the Dem nominee. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #124

Yes. I have run every scenario in my head & she can't win the GE emsimon33 Mar 2016 #262

That is why Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #289

So, repugs suppress the vote, and you trash Clinton. Classic. seabeyond Mar 2016 #260

Vote Bernie is the answer! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #288

No One Could Believe Bush Could Be Re-Elected scottie55 Mar 2016 #96

Did Arizona Republicans shut down the voting places in order to help place a certain nominee DhhD Mar 2016 #198

Oh, it was the state party not the GOP Governor & legislature that closed all the polling places? book_worm Mar 2016 #106

Yet another arrogant and snide Hillary supporter, who is pissing on all the under 45 voters. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #117

I Never Said Bernie Was Gonna Win scottie55 Mar 2016 #127

Stay. Younger voters are Berniecrats. Clintonites are over 65 and will be mostly dead from old age. w4rma Mar 2016 #151

No scottie55 Mar 2016 #118

"The party" didn't consolidate the polling places DesertRat Mar 2016 #110

It's so not hard to vote "here" that people are still waiting in line as you arrogantly post that.nt w4rma Mar 2016 #121

Ignoring the point again MadBadger Mar 2016 #132

So I Take It You Mailed In Your Ballot Right? scottie55 Mar 2016 #135

Not "noone". The older Democrats definitely could care less about the younger generations, though. w4rma Mar 2016 #144

If you're working 2 jobs, wouldn't it be logical to vote in advance? KitSileya Mar 2016 #214

This has been stated many times. The OP and others are selectively ignoring posts like these. MadBadger Mar 2016 #122

... CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #125

Raul Grijalva was just on MSNBC acknowledging Clinton's strength in AZ BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #138

oh, nobody stole nothing. Clinton voters got out in LARGE numbers. BS not so much riversedge Mar 2016 #164

Are you another happy 65+ Hillary supporter pissing on all the 45 and younger voters? w4rma Mar 2016 #169

Are you saying that age determines a person's worth? KitSileya Mar 2016 #215

Stay. Chan790 Mar 2016 #140

Weaver just said numbers not right they are waiting til morning for AZ count. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #142

And I Just Love Being Banned Off The Trending Now scottie55 Mar 2016 #143

Welcome to DU! Dem2 Mar 2016 #153

... You personally were banned? Agschmid Mar 2016 #155

No, the entirety of GD:P is. Chan790 Mar 2016 #162

Yep, This Piece Is Tired Of Being Ripped Off scottie55 Mar 2016 #170

Hey. This is Democratic Underground. For DEMOCRATS. Maru Kitteh Mar 2016 #171

so true! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #290

Correction scottie55 Mar 2016 #149

Clinton-style centrist economics rests on a surprisingly shaky foundation w4rma Mar 2016 #156

The Republicans rigged it and you blamed the Democrats. joshcryer Mar 2016 #175

It's a shame hereforthevoting Mar 2016 #176

ADIOS !!!!!!!!! LOL Trust Buster Mar 2016 #178

Why I Left Years Ago corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #185

Every one of us counts Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #291

It's time to start planning for the Big One JFKcrat Mar 2016 #192

How idiotic... brooklynite Mar 2016 #211

Glad you got your anti mail ballot and early voting shots in ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2016 #197

Ohio 2004 Doremus Mar 2016 #200

then get off a Democratic forum. eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #201

Honestly, even the Clinton people should be Bettie Mar 2016 #202

No concern from them at all. Only grave dancing. They really know JEB Mar 2016 #233

And yet, you'd think that they would be concerned Bettie Mar 2016 #234

Election fraud should be top of the agenda for any candidate. JEB Mar 2016 #235

Awww rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #205

Ok, so you join the over 200,000 who are not Democarats but tried to vote as one yesterday. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #206

Blaming the wrong people ... The tradition continues. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #207

One can't take the party of FDR back from the 3rd-Way Republicrats by quiting the party. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #208

You have to be delusional to think the 3rd way Republicrats will cede control BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #213

^^^ This ^^^ Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #251

Between SuperDelegates, voter suppression and selling out to big money BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #216

I've been independent for almost my entire life Fresh_Start Mar 2016 #217

I am switching from dem to indy here in TX - TBF Mar 2016 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Mar 2016 #221

Stop saying that independants didn't switch there affiliation lmbradford Mar 2016 #226

Isn't it funny how the fact that they DID switch, they DID follow up - is being totally djean111 Mar 2016 #227

Welcome to the democratic (small d) club! polichick Mar 2016 #230

Did you vote yesterday? George II Mar 2016 #231

Then you can't vote in closed primaries so you're effectively giving up your right to vote. randome Mar 2016 #232

^^^^^^^^^^^6 Peacetrain Mar 2016 #243

Oh No! Scottie55 stopped being a Democrat. See ya! n/t Onlooker Mar 2016 #239

I'm considering doing the same after the General. You can make fun of me too. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #249

Why should anyone really care? Onlooker Mar 2016 #253

Election fraud always benefits the right wing. This time, the right wing of the Dem Party. cui bono Mar 2016 #244

The Maricopa polling reduction is a disgrace and inexcusable...who decided this reduction and why EndElectoral Mar 2016 #247

Dems let her close down 70% of the polling places without jwirr Mar 2016 #250

Either a re-vote, or toss out ALL the votes from Arizona! Lorien Mar 2016 #258

Exactly. jwirr Mar 2016 #261

take solace folks DonCoquixote Mar 2016 #255

For a Dem Tulsi Gubbard has a pretty conservative voting record, she ranks BlueStateLib Mar 2016 #269

I want Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #294

Now we finally know exactly WHY Hillfolk say they don't need or want our votes Lorien Mar 2016 #257

You are right and that is why Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #293

Bully for you. How about blaming the ones responsible? Oh wait, where is the fun in that. seabeyond Mar 2016 #259

I want to make sure I understand this - the county recorder, a republican, closes polling DrDan Mar 2016 #268

Don't forget this is the state where Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #278

were there Democrats who left the party over his intimidation? I sort of doubt it. DrDan Mar 2016 #282

Great way to do your part to get Republicans elected rock Mar 2016 #277

IMHO - Both The RNC And DNC Are Captured Corporate Interests Run For The Benefit Of The 1% cantbeserious Mar 2016 #279

Yep! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #292

Hillary supporters put party over principle. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #298