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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Thom Hartmann said he was wrong about Bernie or Busters [View all]dana_b
(11,546 posts)64. panama papers and Clinton AND the President:
http://www.ibtimes.com/panama-papers-obama-clinton-pushed-trade-deal-amid-warnings-it-would-make-money-2348076
The Panama FTA pushed for by Obama and Clinton, watchdog groups said, effectively barred the United States from cracking down on questionable activities. Instead of requiring concessions of the Panamanian government on banking rules and regulations, combating tax haven abuse in Panama could violate the agreement. Should the U.S. embark on such an endeavor, it could be exposed to fines from international authorities.
The FTA would undermine existing U.S. policy tools against tax haven activity, warned consumer watchdog group Public Citizen at the time, saying the agreement would encourage corporations to thwart any U.S. efforts to combat financial secrecy. The group also noted that U.S. government contractors, as well as major financial firms supported by taxpayer bailouts, stood to gain from the trade deal's provisions that could make it harder to crack down on financial secrecy.
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So yeah, both she and the President pushed for this agreement even though they were told that it would hurt efforts to combat offshore accounts secrecy/illegal activities. I guess they just didn't care.
The Panama FTA pushed for by Obama and Clinton, watchdog groups said, effectively barred the United States from cracking down on questionable activities. Instead of requiring concessions of the Panamanian government on banking rules and regulations, combating tax haven abuse in Panama could violate the agreement. Should the U.S. embark on such an endeavor, it could be exposed to fines from international authorities.
The FTA would undermine existing U.S. policy tools against tax haven activity, warned consumer watchdog group Public Citizen at the time, saying the agreement would encourage corporations to thwart any U.S. efforts to combat financial secrecy. The group also noted that U.S. government contractors, as well as major financial firms supported by taxpayer bailouts, stood to gain from the trade deal's provisions that could make it harder to crack down on financial secrecy.
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So yeah, both she and the President pushed for this agreement even though they were told that it would hurt efforts to combat offshore accounts secrecy/illegal activities. I guess they just didn't care.
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You know what's so strange? Self-proclaimed Liberals said the SAME THING about FDR. Here's proof:
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2016
#38
So did President Obama. Just because you don't want to acknowledge them, doesn't make them invisible
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2016
#56
You should do some research on Tad Devine before villifying President Obama on Com ED.
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2016
#106
Yeah, sorry, but poltical Parties have names (what you call 'labels') and you've got to choose sides
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2016
#95
Oh please, not that again. What Social Safety Net programs has Obama instituted or Clinton to
sabrina 1
Apr 2016
#108
Doesn't take away from the FACT that he's been the most progressive President since FDR.
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2016
#42
The root word in progressive is "progress". Any and all progress is better than NONE at all.
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2016
#97
I'd name the progressive policies progressive President Obama has gotten through inspite of
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2016
#47
That's weak. You and I know Bernie is a proponent of the Progressive agenda. To make a hyperbolic
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Apr 2016
#61
No, I don't know that. Bernie is a talker, not a doer. He's all talk, no walk. As far as fire and
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2016
#66
It doesn't surprise me that you don't take umbrage regarding the "gutting the Democratic Party" line
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2016
#26
For me, getting progressive things done for the people and the country are what matters.
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2016
#45
You do understand, of course, that the Democratic Party is no longer the Democratic Party.
pangaia
Apr 2016
#73
Well, I know it's the Democratic Party I've signed up with in the 80's, and it's only gotten better
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2016
#74
there's your disconnect. we are talking about BEFORE that. we remember
Viva_La_Revolution
Apr 2016
#82
You better tell her to straighten up in a real hurry if she wants liberals to vote for her.
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2016
#81
Oh, I think I've been around the block a few times. So many times, in fact, that I'm immune
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2016
#90
Also said Hillary has to figure out how to win them over. Idiotic, right?
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Apr 2016
#5
No way Hillary CAN win them over. They know her to be a liar who will say anything....
peacebird
Apr 2016
#8
Lets hope there arent that many of these people you speak of, they sound unbelievable selfish
Jackie Wilson Said
Apr 2016
#12
The reason the DNC moved to the right was money. Pure and simple, the other guys had more
Jackie Wilson Said
Apr 2016
#33
That was part of it but DNC had to go to Wall Street to compete. Not bullshit, but yes in a way
Jackie Wilson Said
Apr 2016
#44
I'm watching, and Hartmann is at least starting to come to grips with it
BernieforPres2016
Apr 2016
#15
Love the way you framed it. I think he knows about the 100 feet, but can't say it
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Apr 2016
#21
They need to worry about more than new voters and the previously disengaged voters.
Skwmom
Apr 2016
#29
Did you listen to the former Clinton supporter that said she would write Bernie in?
Skwmom
Apr 2016
#22
the one caller said he had not been engaged before and Bernie got his attention...
islandmkl
Apr 2016
#50
Ive been living in Oregon for 27 years, this is my first primary as a dem so I could vote for Bernie
litlbilly
Apr 2016
#53
OR will go big for Bernie! i hear the campaign office opens tommorow
Viva_La_Revolution
Apr 2016
#99
Usually a fan, but a significant number of those Bernie supporters who say they will not for Hillary
merrily
Apr 2016
#54
I heard her and was astonished he caved...somewhat. The caller who
Land of Enchantment
Apr 2016
#116
Seems he's uncomfortable with being responsible for creating the monster, for sure!
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Apr 2016
#112
Maybe you misunderstood??? He had been say the people who won't vote for Hillary are idiots
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Apr 2016
#111
It can't be her lying or the fact that banks corporations healthcare pharma oil companies own her
onecaliberal
Apr 2016
#103