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Admiral Loinpresser

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147. The biggest non-ideological difference is that the TP has huge institutional adavantages.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 05:56 PM
Apr 2016

The movement associated with Bernie's campaign has huge disadvantages. I can acknowledge the effectiveness of their tactics in gaining power without admiring them. See the difference?

And like the Tea Party, adherence to 'purity' will doom it from the start. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #1
The tea party is pretty damn strong. rateyes Apr 2016 #4
And it has a net negative impact on their party. Codeine Apr 2016 #11
Equating the role with the actual goals is deflection Armstead Apr 2016 #33
Bernie Sanders actually is MAINSTREAM and its the Clinton folks who are Baobab Apr 2016 #132
The impact will only be negative if artislife Apr 2016 #54
OMFG Codeine Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #63
Bernie and Elizabeth are the leaders of this movement. They are for honesty and integrity in Cal33 Apr 2016 #95
There's no comparison katsy Apr 2016 #97
Claiming that progressives... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #153
The Tea party is evil, pure evil. pangaia Apr 2016 #51
Psst: the so called "tea party" was fake from the beginning, a creation of a paid PR sock puppet Baobab Apr 2016 #129
That's okay with the Tea Party isn't it? KPN Apr 2016 #10
The tea party that took control of both the House and Senate? Mnpaul Apr 2016 #21
The Tea Party 'controls' nothing. They're loud, but a minority, even of R's. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #22
Try again. The Tea Party only shaped and drove republican politics for the last seven years. lol leeroysphitz Apr 2016 #28
All they've done is obstruct. They've yet to DO anything, because they lack the votes. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #34
I wish our side had obstructed Bush's war, the banker bailouts, tax cuts for the wealthiest ... Scuba Apr 2016 #138
The Tea Party has directly and indirectly determined the GOP's two most likely Pres candidates Armstead Apr 2016 #36
Yep. And that benefits the Democratic Party. Do we need to have the same on our side in order to BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #128
Or not. I mean if avoiding purity tests means cowtowing to the politicians who helped leeroysphitz Apr 2016 #23
So, just out of curiosity, why do you say this? PatrickforO Apr 2016 #56
I'm against the idea of 'purity'. I'm against thinking there's only one solution. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #58
Well, let's think root cause for a moment. PatrickforO Apr 2016 #62
You do understand the paradox of attacking someone because oftheir "purity". bvar22 Apr 2016 #90
I thought (like another party I know) they were co-opted by oligarchs That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #59
"Purity", my ass! alan2102 Apr 2016 #61
Here's what I mean: CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #64
Bingo! Identifying the problem is one thing. stopbush Apr 2016 #75
Don't tell me you think Debt-Free is good enough because it's not. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #98
Don't think it needs to be THAT pure. Funtatlaguy Apr 2016 #80
Clinton supporters have been calling for Democratic purity for a year now AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #104
Purity, as in who is a Real Democrat? frylock Apr 2016 #119
Right. The Tea Party was so doomed that they knocked off Eric Cantor n/t eridani Apr 2016 #136
fuck purity Fred Drum Apr 2016 #137
I thought it was started by Occupy or something... snooper2 Apr 2016 #2
"A Progressive Tea Party" Oh, hell yeah! We get that part. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #3
A poor analogy...But there is also truth in terms of a rebellion against the status quo Armstead Apr 2016 #37
You realize the Tea Party has destroyed the Republican Codeine Apr 2016 #5
+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #12
I don't know, given that they've gotten a lock on congress and most statehouses for the foreesable nemo137 Apr 2016 #13
That's not the teafucks Codeine Apr 2016 #16
That's a fair point, but also seems to me to contradict the R's being "destroyed" by said teafucks. nemo137 Apr 2016 #18
A slow incremental slide into impoverishment for the masses is KPN Apr 2016 #19
Last time I checked the GOP is CRUSHING the Dems in state legislatures and governorships. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #35
Yes, and where has the "Revolution" been in local and state wide elections? Fla Dem Apr 2016 #100
I have a close friend running for Congress in Kansas. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #112
This is not a zero-sum game to "win" Rebkeh Apr 2016 #38
And, you nail it again, Codeine. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #76
Yup. They don't get it. KPN Apr 2016 #6
Exactly. rateyes Apr 2016 #9
Yep! Given its current trend, the D party will eventually totally fracture like the R party. RKP5637 Apr 2016 #42
It's a race between state legislative irrelevancy and progressive abandonment. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #60
It really is, like a race to the bottom. There was a time when we worked together in the US to try RKP5637 Apr 2016 #91
Third way will run its course. HassleCat Apr 2016 #7
A "progressive tea party" with similar demographics as the tea party will fail and is failing. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #8
"similar demographics"?! alan2102 Apr 2016 #67
The anti-war, anti-corruption movement was just forming in 2008 and embraced Obama over HRC aikoaiko Apr 2016 #14
And exactly what jcgoldie Apr 2016 #15
I heard that same argument in 2008. Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #17
So did many other Democrat voters Armstead Apr 2016 #41
It's "Democratic voters." Please don't use the Rush Limbaugh terminology. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #105
I used that term deliberately, because so many here sound like Rush these days Armstead Apr 2016 #106
Your disagreement with some Dems is no reason to perpetuate that ugly terminology. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #109
Ugly terminology-- you mean like "Bernie Bros?" n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #116
Someone calling you a name you dislike does not justify resorting to Limbaugh terminology. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #130
Many experience the language of either tribe as "nasty." Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #131
"Democrat voters" isn't just "language" of another "tribe." It is a Right Wing put down. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #133
Agreed. It is RW. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #134
There is never a season when it is OK to insult the entire Democratic Party on DU. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #143
Many believe the Party has insulted them. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #144
I see. So you admit you were insulting the Democratic Party using RW terminology. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #145
I don't believe I used the term "Democrat voters?" n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #148
Yes, you did. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #149
crickets chirping still_one Apr 2016 #151
Now we should get reality-based crickets. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #155
Disavow the words yet spends a subthread defending their use. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #165
Wow, we can't even agree on reality. I did not find any post where I used that term. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #152
Really, you aren't aware what you posted: still_one Apr 2016 #150
Sweet Jesus, that's not me! What are you doing?? n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #154
No it wasn't you. Sorry, I meant this link for what it was worth still_one Apr 2016 #157
No problemo. I've done similar things. Thanks for having the moxie to be honest. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #160
Thanks still_one Apr 2016 #162
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #163
Then why were you defending it? nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #164
Oh well that's all right then! NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #170
You ever hear of the New Democrat Coalition? Armstead Apr 2016 #166
You used the term "Democrat voters" to refer to Democratic voters. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #169
Right. Cary Apr 2016 #146
This....Pfeh Armstead Apr 2016 #167
Hmmmm, thank you for that McCarthyism (JOSEPH, not Eugene!) - "Democrat voters". Ooops. George II Apr 2016 #161
This Armstead Apr 2016 #168
A Tea Party is a brainless, astroturfed thing promoting fake issues to the detriment of all. Orsino Apr 2016 #20
+1 Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2016 #27
Yep, the comparison to the Tea Party by the OP was not a good one IMO. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #45
The comparison is only regarding the way they took over the jwirr Apr 2016 #114
Good point!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #118
you know, it IS possible to compare aspects of two things demwing Apr 2016 #50
Very much so. Orsino Apr 2016 #55
Reading the comments above, the Tea Party just got a ride ON the bus. It's being praised roundly Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #71
Brings to mind that old saw about "politics" and "bedfellows"...some people apparently aren't Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #82
And both generally leave the encounter diseased. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #87
Yup, that's the risk with promiscuous behavior...LOLOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #89
Obtuse now exceeds Mike__M Apr 2016 #110
The biggest non-ideological difference is that the TP has huge institutional adavantages. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #147
I will no longer vote for Third-Way Democrats. Period. NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #24
I agree with you, except for the Tea Party part. Punkingal Apr 2016 #25
Well said ... Trajan Apr 2016 #26
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #39
Thess people are pissed- until November 4, 2016 COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #29
You think the Tea Party is in control? Wow. IamMab Apr 2016 #30
Kucinich, Occupy, MoveOn, DFA, BLM, 99%, MM Dem2 Apr 2016 #31
There's a revolution Sparkly Apr 2016 #32
I disagree. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #44
Every revolution thinks it's new. Sparkly Apr 2016 #46
Welcome to "full ignore." n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #47
I'm sure I'm in good company. Sparkly Apr 2016 #49
+1000 stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #53
Simply the best! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #92
test! stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #52
I'm with the Admiral's sea change Mike__M Apr 2016 #108
Getting more people to be committed to participating in the political process is a good thing Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #40
yes! A lot of work ahead of us. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #43
That quote is from Theodore Parker, not MLK oberliner Apr 2016 #48
My sentiments exactly. eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #57
I'm getting tired of seeing "oldsters" promoting "young people" as if it brings them absolution. randome Apr 2016 #65
Too Funny. One of the Hillary Posters KPN Apr 2016 #66
Good they need something to keep them busy. jwirr Apr 2016 #115
First, they laugh at you... rateyes Apr 2016 #120
These "pissed people" will need more than one new candidate in FL. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #68
The Green Tea Party Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #69
Green tea from the Green Mountains in Vt liberal N proud Apr 2016 #72
Uh they got people elected pinebox Apr 2016 #102
Uh, the short term gain Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #121
Teabaggers? johnp3907 Apr 2016 #70
"It may take several years." stopbush Apr 2016 #73
I am not fine with it at all Go Vols Apr 2016 #93
Ideological extremism is bad, regardless if it left or right Tarc Apr 2016 #74
The #occupy and #BLM revolutions are rolling their eyes at this. apnu Apr 2016 #77
well, are y'all gonna let us join the elite club or not? Hiraeth Apr 2016 #78
Those doors been wide open from the beginning. Why not step through them? apnu Apr 2016 #79
and who am I supposed to be voting for again? Hiraeth Apr 2016 #81
That's up to you. apnu Apr 2016 #83
well then, I am already there. Thanks. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #84
Okee-dokee. Glad we cleared that up. apnu Apr 2016 #85
lol Hiraeth Apr 2016 #94
Thats true in our area marlakay Apr 2016 #86
Bernie didn't invent anything new, most recently the occupy movement made a pitch for all that and The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #88
Yes, and ever since the Tea Party was born, the United States government NuclearDem Apr 2016 #96
I disagree strongly with your first sentence. bvar22 Apr 2016 #99
One thing Bernie has done Mike__M Apr 2016 #111
Yes. bvar22 Apr 2016 #117
And then it will be a new establishment. apcalc Apr 2016 #101
being thwarted only makes us angrier, makes us more and more aware of the constant rigging MisterP Apr 2016 #103
The DNC had better fucking NEVER shove a corrupt Third Way Republican Lite candidate Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #107
"A Progressive Tea Party" nolawarlock Apr 2016 #113
Silly ol' me NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #122
First they laugh at you. rateyes Apr 2016 #123
And then they continue laughing NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #124
And then you get the last laugh when you win. rateyes Apr 2016 #125
Exactly! NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #139
Don't think she will be in that contest. rateyes Apr 2016 #140
Ha! We'll have to see, won't we? NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #141
Yep. rateyes Apr 2016 #142
Progressive economic populism is overdue. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #126
Hear, Hear! pat_k Apr 2016 #127
BLM supports Bernie. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #135
Amen. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #156
The straight white people are pissed (apparently). Metric System Apr 2016 #158
The majority of African American, Latino and LGBT voters have rejected your candidate. Metric System Apr 2016 #159
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