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2016 Postmortem

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KPN

(15,645 posts)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:45 PM Apr 2016

Why Do Progressives Cling to Hillary? [View all]

Good question. Good article. What do you think?
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How could so many progressives vote for Hillary over Bernie? … What does Hillary offer to progressives that Bernie can’t provide in abundance?

1. Hillary’s a proven winner?
Hillary progressives cling to this winner meme even though poll after poll shows that Sanders is running better against all the Republican candidates. Hillary’s favorable/unfavorable ratings according to the Real Clear Politics average of polls is -15.2%, while Bernie’s is +5.2%.

2. Hillary knows how to get things done?
You would think Hillary progressives would be concerned about many of her past accomplishments. If Hillary wants to take credit for the Clinton presidency when it comes to job creation, she must also shoulder the responsibility for dismantling “welfare as we know it,” the crime bill which helped make the U.S. the world leader in prisoners, and NAFTA which helped to gut good-paying industrial jobs.

3. Hillary is realistic, Bernie is not?
Bernie wants to mobilize the country into a “political revolution” for fundamental change. Hillary has no interest in such a movement. She sees herself as the change-maker-in-chief. It’s all about her ability to produce pragmatic changes, not about our ability to force such changes into existence.

4. Hillary is more experienced in foreign affairs?
It is hard to distinguish her record from the neoconservatives. She supported the Iraq War ... called for more troops to surge in Afghanistan than even the leading generals wanted ... engaged in nation-building in Libya and tacit regime change in Honduras ... wants a no fly zone in Syria that most generals say would require tens of thousands of support troops.
The primaries provide a classic “hawk vs dove” choice, and Hillary progressives are going with the birds of prey.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/les-leopold/why-do-progressives-cling_b_9796016.html


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2156 vs. 1412 n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #1
So...reason No. 1? lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #18
It takes some kind of arrogance to believe that if someone doesn't come to the same conclusion SFnomad Apr 2016 #21
In lieu of reasons for your support, you only provided numbers. lagomorph777 May 2016 #24
Your response was typical of Hillary supporters. Beowulf May 2016 #27
Cult of personality. Myrina Apr 2016 #2
I doubt people who understand the original deffinition of Progressive do Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #3
She seems a safe, Establishment choice. Orsino Apr 2016 #4
I canceled all email from groups that support Hillary. Downwinder Apr 2016 #5
Tom Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #6
I thought you guys said progressives wont vote for her? JaneyVee Apr 2016 #7
You obviously have a hard time recognizing irony, and KPN Apr 2016 #20
sanctimonious much? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #8
In her defense, Hillary does know how to get things done. Scuba Apr 2016 #9
Not one progressive clings to Hillary. Anyone that clings to Hillary is rhett o rick Apr 2016 #10
Because "Progressive", like "Democrat", has become a very bendy concept these days. djean111 Apr 2016 #11
Because they're not progressives. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #12
Tell me again about her pragmatic changes. SheilaT Apr 2016 #13
I don't believe Progressive and HRC belong in the same sentence. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #14
Hillary,"the change-maker-in-chief." Let me tell you about Hillary's kind of change... Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #15
The author is biased and specializes in writing Anti-Hilary screeds. procon Apr 2016 #16
Progressives don't. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #17
Low information "Reagan Democrats" (remember them?) cling to Hillary. bvar22 Apr 2016 #19
Anyone who supports Hillary is NOT progressive. Look at her records and action. Wake up. nt kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #22
What progressives? artislife Apr 2016 #23
Because she's female n/t Holly_Hobby May 2016 #25
hillary has actually led something....and is not afraid to actually compromise beachbum bob May 2016 #26
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