2016 Postmortem

CrowCityDem

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58. I'm saying the white male vote doesn't win elections. Dems lose it and still win elections.

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Wed May 4, 2016, 11:11 AM

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Hillary has a problem & it's not Bernie's fault. If she cannot turn this around [View all] jillan May 2016 OP

K&R for truth!!!! Betty Karlson May 2016 #1

White men do not win elections. Ask Presidents McCain and Romney. CrowCityDem May 2016 #2

+1 Firebrand Gary May 2016 #10

I'm not one, but I realize it's still a huge chunk of votes... Yurovsky May 2016 #13

Women are the majority of both people and voters. Win them, you win the election. CrowCityDem May 2016 #23

Win ALL of them unc70 May 2016 #35

Exactly - you don't need to win all of them, but you can't get crushed in larger ones... Yurovsky May 2016 #43

Republican women won't be voting for Hillary AgingAmerican May 2016 #143

You got that email going around jehop61 May 2016 #31

My heart bleeds -- Only Two million dollar plus homes? Armstead May 2016 #54

They are all peas in a pod. pangaia May 2016 #83

You need to expand the Hungarian demographic Armstead May 2016 #108

LOL !!!! pangaia May 2016 #110

"What about Poland?" beltanefauve May 2016 #111

The Clintons are Oligarchs--like their pal... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #152

Yeah, she's a regular "woman of the people"... Yurovsky May 2016 #56

Only *two* homes? Poor things! n/t bvf May 2016 #103

Two? No wonder millions say Poor Hillary. Matt_R May 2016 #148

That's a dumb statement. Armstead May 2016 #45

I'm saying the white male vote doesn't win elections. Dems lose it and still win elections. CrowCityDem May 2016 #58

I think most people are not going to vote solely on such things Armstead May 2016 #64

Three words: The Obama coalition brush May 2016 #74

That same coalition would vote for Sanders if he were the nominee Armstead May 2016 #75

Some of them, right, but not most brush May 2016 #80

Which would be voting against their own interests Armstead May 2016 #82

Are you actually going with that "not in their own best interests" crapolla? brush May 2016 #88

I know about that whole flap -- and it's just a variation of the longstanding Democratic quandry Armstead May 2016 #107

This does not get you off the hook for your "their own best interests" crap brush May 2016 #121

Zell Miller for President Armstead May 2016 #122

You're the only one in this exchange who even mention racism. brush May 2016 #124

Cmon, don't play naive Armstead May 2016 #125

"Especially the POCs, which is why Sanders is losing", is racism? brush May 2016 #126

Not worth it...Have a nice evening Armstead May 2016 #127

disingenuous much? a2liberal May 2016 #155

What are you talking about. The coalition will vote blue no matter who brush May 2016 #156

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #120

What "news" program was showing Sanders in a good light against Clinton? Matt_R May 2016 #149

So the poc will vote for trump? Doctor_J May 2016 #113

Or course not. They have more sense than that. brush May 2016 #123

That is just ludicrous. TM99 May 2016 #128

I'm AA and I know that is not remotely possible. brush May 2016 #129

I am bi-racial. TM99 May 2016 #130

Considering there've only been 2 candidates (meaning 2 GOTV campaigns) for the most part... Garrett78 May 2016 #133

Obviously I am not as optimistic TM99 May 2016 #137

You should Google "does low turnout in primaries translate to low turnout in the general election" Garrett78 May 2016 #139

I did. TM99 May 2016 #142

Monolith? No. but the vast majority of AAs will not touch Trump brush May 2016 #140

Trump will never win the GOP TM99 May 2016 #141

Ahhh . . . Cruz and Kasich just quit after he won Indiana. brush May 2016 #144

And Cruz knew how to play the ground game. TM99 May 2016 #145

Cruz is through. brush May 2016 #146

Exactly. Sparkly May 2016 #71

How did they do with the under 30 vote? Ash_F May 2016 #77

So politics is basically a race/gender war of stabbing at each other? JPnoodleman May 2016 #87

Hillary won Indiana black vote 3:1 JaneyVee May 2016 #3

And she will win even larger margins in the GE but these are the areas where she is vulnerable. jillan May 2016 #6

Indiana is the most conservative red state in midwest... JaneyVee May 2016 #8

I'm curious your thoughts. We're Bernie the nominee in the GE NorthCarolina May 2016 #116

None of this alters the fact that it's Clinton's turn and she is entitled to the nomination. n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #4

So alleges the second-placers. LanternWaste May 2016 #20

And don't forget, she's a WOMAN and is supposed to be the first female President, right? pdsimdars May 2016 #93

And she has suffered through Bill's philandering ozone_man May 2016 #118

And only two houses... poor thang. 840high May 2016 #135

+1 Exactly its Clintons turn. Do not go against her third term. It might ber her last chance. Matt_R May 2016 #150

Trump has the GOP election fraud machine behind him and a flurry of Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #5

If stolen it can be then, Trump will steal it, regardless the nominee. Hiraeth May 2016 #7

No, it is the same machine used in 2012, and Obama won. Difference is when the Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #9

the machine does not care. Hiraeth May 2016 #14

And you think Sanders' is immune to the machine, if such a machine works? brush May 2016 #76

I think the election fraud device works both sides, as needed. haikugal May 2016 #40

Liberals dont believe or say that, not in my experience and lifetime. Not since the early 60's Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #42

The ones with eyes wide shut don't I'm sure, the rest can see. haikugal May 2016 #46

Well, if you have evidence of that, I would love to see it. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #48

Evidence? It's everywhere and being investigated in multiple states. It's been remarked upon haikugal May 2016 #55

No, I asked for EVIDENCE. You see I am a true liberal, which means if Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #57

You don't define me, I am a liberal not a corporate dem who is liberal only on some social policy. haikugal May 2016 #60

If you think she is a repub, then you simply dont know what you are talking about. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #63

With all due respect, you've drunk the Cool-Aid. haikugal May 2016 #65

LOL oh my, I have drunk lots of stuff, dropped lots of stuff too. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #66

. haikugal May 2016 #70

When you go there farleftlib May 2016 #78

Go where? What reality? You have been played by the right wing conspiracy. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #79

K&R. dchill May 2016 #11

Obvious truth, Bernie has the wider appeal and message, is the candidate for the times! appalachiablue May 2016 #12

Jane looks great in that photo. grasswire May 2016 #19

Jane does look great, Bernie too. Photo taken in Times Sq. New York. appalachiablue May 2016 #38

Such a normal, representave of American woman. pdsimdars May 2016 #94

Yes. No artifice. grasswire May 2016 #96

So wide he's a mile behind. CrowCityDem May 2016 #24

Bernie and his supporters continue to attack the democratic nominee. Firebrand Gary May 2016 #15

These are not lies. These are the areas where Hillary is vulnerable in the GE. jillan May 2016 #17

You seriously think Trump will win the millennial vote? Garrett78 May 2016 #18

Exactly why it's important to support the presumptive nominee. Firebrand Gary May 2016 #29

She's the presumptive nominee? farleftlib May 2016 #52

Why would I ever support someone that put our security at risk? Kittycat May 2016 #68

She is NOT the nominee, who are you trying to fool? haikugal May 2016 #49

She is not the fucking nominee! Ed Suspicious May 2016 #53

And yet they get mad when we say she wants a coronation... Yurovsky May 2016 #69

She EARNED her votes, there was no coronation. Firebrand Gary May 2016 #104

538 had hc @ 90% for indiana questionseverything May 2016 #112

There was no coronation, nor do I see anyone calling for one. Garrett78 May 2016 #114

She's not the nominee yet. Arugula Latte May 2016 #59

+1 Matt_R May 2016 #153

"..something the democratic party will not tolerate" Buns_of_Fire May 2016 #91

are we in a time warp? dana_b May 2016 #98

Its Clintons turn. Don't go against the inevitable. She NEEDS a third term. Matt_R May 2016 #151

Most of those voting for Sanders now will vote for Clinton in November. Garrett78 May 2016 #16

18 percent of Democrats will not vote for her -- latest polling. grasswire May 2016 #21

How do you win a GE with that? grasswire May 2016 #27

Democrats don't win the White House by appealing to Republicans. Garrett78 May 2016 #37

Is that true of independents? grasswire May 2016 #39

Winning the swing states and big blue ones. She already has the swings over SBS. bettyellen May 2016 #84

Which shows that the Hillary supporters are not really focused on winning the election, but only pdsimdars May 2016 #97

Please don't speak for "most" of us. Your intentions are good. But "most" of us is a stretch. SheenaR May 2016 #22

According to polling, yes, most. JaneyVee May 2016 #26

link? nt grasswire May 2016 #28

link? nt grasswire May 2016 #41

Polls Stuckinthebush May 2016 #85

I don't think it's a stretch at all. Garrett78 May 2016 #30

You are correct SheenaR May 2016 #36

I'd bet at least 2/3rds of those voting for Sanders now will vote for Clinton in November. Garrett78 May 2016 #44

Again SheenaR May 2016 #73

Some who say they won't ultimately will. Not all, but some. Garrett78 May 2016 #81

"DU doesn't matter... Aerows May 2016 #161

^^^ This post is spot on (nt) apnu May 2016 #25

The reverse is also true, most HRC voters would back Bernie bigbrother05 May 2016 #61

Half at best. HooptieWagon May 2016 #131

Obama lost the independent vote in 2012 but won re-election with ease. Garrett78 May 2016 #132

No. He split indies about 50/50. HooptieWagon May 2016 #134

No, he lost the independent vote by 5 points. Garrett78 May 2016 #138

Still not voting for the Socialist. Darb May 2016 #32

Bernie is a DEMOCRATIC socialist. grasswire May 2016 #47

Sorry, but in a sense, Democratic Socialism IS "well-regulated capitalism" RufusTFirefly May 2016 #51

Democratic Socialism = Well regulated Capitalism bigbrother05 May 2016 #67

My god you just defined SOCIAL DEMOCRACY!!!! nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #72

Come on, you aren't really that uninformed. Really. When you go over the top like that pdsimdars May 2016 #101

Bernie is an FDR Democrat. He's pro-business and pro-social safety net. senz May 2016 #117

You honestly don't understand that Social Democracy IS well-regulated capitalism? Arugula Latte May 2016 #157

Sorry, Bernie is a Socialist. Darb May 2016 #158

Lol. Arugula Latte May 2016 #159

Don't be daft. Darb May 2016 #160

Darb—I'm still not voting for the Diet Republican that you support. CobaltBlue May 2016 #162

1704 to 1414... SidDithers May 2016 #33

Plus the unpledged Stuckinthebush May 2016 #86

Yup. 2202 to 1455 according to The Green Papers... SidDithers May 2016 #89

To think that they will abandon her Stuckinthebush May 2016 #90

HRC means FTAs, War, Lies, Wall St. Empowerment, Inequality amborin May 2016 #34

also impeachment, scandal, and drama. 24/7/365/4 years. nt grasswire May 2016 #50

Obama lost Indiana primary Demsrule86 May 2016 #62

But you can't really use these numbers because they aren't TRUE DEMOCRATS pdsimdars May 2016 #92

Most of those voting for Sanders now will vote for Clinton in November. Garrett78 May 2016 #95

No, that's a great argument. . . these voting blocks PREFER Bernie, so ignore that preference pdsimdars May 2016 #99

I didn't say a thing about forcing anyone to do anything, but okay. Garrett78 May 2016 #102

But that is what people in your position are saying. . . pdsimdars May 2016 #105

First of all, I don't have a candidate. Garrett78 May 2016 #106

we'll just have to agree to disagree. pdsimdars May 2016 #109

There is data out there, indeed. Garrett78 May 2016 #115

K&R for truth and for dana_b May 2016 #100

Looks like she's going to try to win on Trump fear w/herself as the only alternative senz May 2016 #119

She doesn't have to turn anything around. Bernie is not a choice in the GE - he lost. n/t Lil Missy May 2016 #136

Trump got twice as many votes as Bernie in Indiana Onlooker May 2016 #147

Trump got three times as many votes as Hillary in Indiana. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #154