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TM99

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142. I did.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:02 AM
May 2016

And some pundits not researchers say no. Researchers show a mixed bag. And in some instances like 2008, primary turn out was huge but GE turnout was still lower than 2004.

The other parts of the analysis are concerned with the types of election years they are. 2008 could be a win for the D's because even though turnout was low, Obama was a change and it was time for the D's to be allowed to take back the White House. Americans are loathe to allow one party to control the White House for longer than 8 years with very very few exceptions.

This year is not a change year. In fact it is the R's turn historically. A clear non-establishment candidate won the GOP nomination in a anti-establishment change election. On the left, however, it is still a battle between the establishment and the non-establishment candidate. If Clinton cinches it, she will likely lose because of the zeitgeist. Independents and youth will sit this one out or vote third party or just down ticket. They are being slammed, insulted, dismissed, and marginalized, and that is not just white males - women, AA's, latino's, and LGBT. They are not monolithic voting blocks and Clinton has not done well with under 45 years in all demographics.

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K&R for truth!!!! Betty Karlson May 2016 #1
White men do not win elections. Ask Presidents McCain and Romney. CrowCityDem May 2016 #2
+1 Firebrand Gary May 2016 #10
I'm not one, but I realize it's still a huge chunk of votes... Yurovsky May 2016 #13
Women are the majority of both people and voters. Win them, you win the election. CrowCityDem May 2016 #23
Win ALL of them unc70 May 2016 #35
Exactly - you don't need to win all of them, but you can't get crushed in larger ones... Yurovsky May 2016 #43
Republican women won't be voting for Hillary AgingAmerican May 2016 #143
You got that email going around jehop61 May 2016 #31
My heart bleeds -- Only Two million dollar plus homes? Armstead May 2016 #54
They are all peas in a pod. pangaia May 2016 #83
You need to expand the Hungarian demographic Armstead May 2016 #108
LOL !!!! pangaia May 2016 #110
"What about Poland?" beltanefauve May 2016 #111
The Clintons are Oligarchs--like their pal... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #152
Yeah, she's a regular "woman of the people"... Yurovsky May 2016 #56
Only *two* homes? Poor things! n/t bvf May 2016 #103
Two? No wonder millions say Poor Hillary. Matt_R May 2016 #148
That's a dumb statement. Armstead May 2016 #45
I'm saying the white male vote doesn't win elections. Dems lose it and still win elections. CrowCityDem May 2016 #58
I think most people are not going to vote solely on such things Armstead May 2016 #64
Three words: The Obama coalition brush May 2016 #74
That same coalition would vote for Sanders if he were the nominee Armstead May 2016 #75
Some of them, right, but not most brush May 2016 #80
Which would be voting against their own interests Armstead May 2016 #82
Are you actually going with that "not in their own best interests" crapolla? brush May 2016 #88
I know about that whole flap -- and it's just a variation of the longstanding Democratic quandry Armstead May 2016 #107
This does not get you off the hook for your "their own best interests" crap brush May 2016 #121
Zell Miller for President Armstead May 2016 #122
You're the only one in this exchange who even mention racism. brush May 2016 #124
Cmon, don't play naive Armstead May 2016 #125
"Especially the POCs, which is why Sanders is losing", is racism? brush May 2016 #126
Not worth it...Have a nice evening Armstead May 2016 #127
disingenuous much? a2liberal May 2016 #155
What are you talking about. The coalition will vote blue no matter who brush May 2016 #156
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #120
What "news" program was showing Sanders in a good light against Clinton? Matt_R May 2016 #149
So the poc will vote for trump? Doctor_J May 2016 #113
Or course not. They have more sense than that. brush May 2016 #123
That is just ludicrous. TM99 May 2016 #128
I'm AA and I know that is not remotely possible. brush May 2016 #129
I am bi-racial. TM99 May 2016 #130
Considering there've only been 2 candidates (meaning 2 GOTV campaigns) for the most part... Garrett78 May 2016 #133
Obviously I am not as optimistic TM99 May 2016 #137
You should Google "does low turnout in primaries translate to low turnout in the general election" Garrett78 May 2016 #139
I did. TM99 May 2016 #142
Monolith? No. but the vast majority of AAs will not touch Trump brush May 2016 #140
Trump will never win the GOP TM99 May 2016 #141
Ahhh . . . Cruz and Kasich just quit after he won Indiana. brush May 2016 #144
And Cruz knew how to play the ground game. TM99 May 2016 #145
Cruz is through. brush May 2016 #146
Exactly. Sparkly May 2016 #71
How did they do with the under 30 vote? Ash_F May 2016 #77
So politics is basically a race/gender war of stabbing at each other? JPnoodleman May 2016 #87
Hillary won Indiana black vote 3:1 JaneyVee May 2016 #3
And she will win even larger margins in the GE but these are the areas where she is vulnerable. jillan May 2016 #6
Indiana is the most conservative red state in midwest... JaneyVee May 2016 #8
I'm curious your thoughts. We're Bernie the nominee in the GE NorthCarolina May 2016 #116
None of this alters the fact that it's Clinton's turn and she is entitled to the nomination. n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #4
So alleges the second-placers. LanternWaste May 2016 #20
And don't forget, she's a WOMAN and is supposed to be the first female President, right? pdsimdars May 2016 #93
And she has suffered through Bill's philandering ozone_man May 2016 #118
And only two houses... poor thang. 840high May 2016 #135
+1 Exactly its Clintons turn. Do not go against her third term. It might ber her last chance. Matt_R May 2016 #150
Trump has the GOP election fraud machine behind him and a flurry of Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #5
If stolen it can be then, Trump will steal it, regardless the nominee. Hiraeth May 2016 #7
No, it is the same machine used in 2012, and Obama won. Difference is when the Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #9
the machine does not care. Hiraeth May 2016 #14
And you think Sanders' is immune to the machine, if such a machine works? brush May 2016 #76
I think the election fraud device works both sides, as needed. haikugal May 2016 #40
Liberals dont believe or say that, not in my experience and lifetime. Not since the early 60's Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #42
The ones with eyes wide shut don't I'm sure, the rest can see. haikugal May 2016 #46
Well, if you have evidence of that, I would love to see it. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #48
Evidence? It's everywhere and being investigated in multiple states. It's been remarked upon haikugal May 2016 #55
No, I asked for EVIDENCE. You see I am a true liberal, which means if Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #57
You don't define me, I am a liberal not a corporate dem who is liberal only on some social policy. haikugal May 2016 #60
If you think she is a repub, then you simply dont know what you are talking about. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #63
With all due respect, you've drunk the Cool-Aid. haikugal May 2016 #65
LOL oh my, I have drunk lots of stuff, dropped lots of stuff too. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #66
. haikugal May 2016 #70
When you go there farleftlib May 2016 #78
Go where? What reality? You have been played by the right wing conspiracy. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #79
K&R. dchill May 2016 #11
Obvious truth, Bernie has the wider appeal and message, is the candidate for the times! appalachiablue May 2016 #12
Jane looks great in that photo. grasswire May 2016 #19
Jane does look great, Bernie too. Photo taken in Times Sq. New York. appalachiablue May 2016 #38
Such a normal, representave of American woman. pdsimdars May 2016 #94
Yes. No artifice. grasswire May 2016 #96
So wide he's a mile behind. CrowCityDem May 2016 #24
Bernie and his supporters continue to attack the democratic nominee. Firebrand Gary May 2016 #15
These are not lies. These are the areas where Hillary is vulnerable in the GE. jillan May 2016 #17
You seriously think Trump will win the millennial vote? Garrett78 May 2016 #18
Exactly why it's important to support the presumptive nominee. Firebrand Gary May 2016 #29
She's the presumptive nominee? farleftlib May 2016 #52
Why would I ever support someone that put our security at risk? Kittycat May 2016 #68
She is NOT the nominee, who are you trying to fool? haikugal May 2016 #49
She is not the fucking nominee! Ed Suspicious May 2016 #53
And yet they get mad when we say she wants a coronation... Yurovsky May 2016 #69
She EARNED her votes, there was no coronation. Firebrand Gary May 2016 #104
538 had hc @ 90% for indiana questionseverything May 2016 #112
There was no coronation, nor do I see anyone calling for one. Garrett78 May 2016 #114
She's not the nominee yet. Arugula Latte May 2016 #59
+1 Matt_R May 2016 #153
"..something the democratic party will not tolerate" Buns_of_Fire May 2016 #91
are we in a time warp? dana_b May 2016 #98
Its Clintons turn. Don't go against the inevitable. She NEEDS a third term. Matt_R May 2016 #151
Most of those voting for Sanders now will vote for Clinton in November. Garrett78 May 2016 #16
18 percent of Democrats will not vote for her -- latest polling. grasswire May 2016 #21
How do you win a GE with that? grasswire May 2016 #27
Democrats don't win the White House by appealing to Republicans. Garrett78 May 2016 #37
Is that true of independents? grasswire May 2016 #39
Winning the swing states and big blue ones. She already has the swings over SBS. bettyellen May 2016 #84
Which shows that the Hillary supporters are not really focused on winning the election, but only pdsimdars May 2016 #97
Please don't speak for "most" of us. Your intentions are good. But "most" of us is a stretch. SheenaR May 2016 #22
According to polling, yes, most. JaneyVee May 2016 #26
link? nt grasswire May 2016 #28
link? nt grasswire May 2016 #41
Polls Stuckinthebush May 2016 #85
I don't think it's a stretch at all. Garrett78 May 2016 #30
You are correct SheenaR May 2016 #36
I'd bet at least 2/3rds of those voting for Sanders now will vote for Clinton in November. Garrett78 May 2016 #44
Again SheenaR May 2016 #73
Some who say they won't ultimately will. Not all, but some. Garrett78 May 2016 #81
"DU doesn't matter... Aerows May 2016 #161
^^^ This post is spot on (nt) apnu May 2016 #25
The reverse is also true, most HRC voters would back Bernie bigbrother05 May 2016 #61
Half at best. HooptieWagon May 2016 #131
Obama lost the independent vote in 2012 but won re-election with ease. Garrett78 May 2016 #132
No. He split indies about 50/50. HooptieWagon May 2016 #134
No, he lost the independent vote by 5 points. Garrett78 May 2016 #138
Still not voting for the Socialist. Darb May 2016 #32
Bernie is a DEMOCRATIC socialist. grasswire May 2016 #47
Sorry, but in a sense, Democratic Socialism IS "well-regulated capitalism" RufusTFirefly May 2016 #51
Democratic Socialism = Well regulated Capitalism bigbrother05 May 2016 #67
My god you just defined SOCIAL DEMOCRACY!!!! nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #72
Come on, you aren't really that uninformed. Really. When you go over the top like that pdsimdars May 2016 #101
Bernie is an FDR Democrat. He's pro-business and pro-social safety net. senz May 2016 #117
You honestly don't understand that Social Democracy IS well-regulated capitalism? Arugula Latte May 2016 #157
Sorry, Bernie is a Socialist. Darb May 2016 #158
Lol. Arugula Latte May 2016 #159
Don't be daft. Darb May 2016 #160
Darb—I'm still not voting for the Diet Republican that you support. CobaltBlue May 2016 #162
1704 to 1414... SidDithers May 2016 #33
Plus the unpledged Stuckinthebush May 2016 #86
Yup. 2202 to 1455 according to The Green Papers... SidDithers May 2016 #89
To think that they will abandon her Stuckinthebush May 2016 #90
HRC means FTAs, War, Lies, Wall St. Empowerment, Inequality amborin May 2016 #34
also impeachment, scandal, and drama. 24/7/365/4 years. nt grasswire May 2016 #50
Obama lost Indiana primary Demsrule86 May 2016 #62
But you can't really use these numbers because they aren't TRUE DEMOCRATS pdsimdars May 2016 #92
Most of those voting for Sanders now will vote for Clinton in November. Garrett78 May 2016 #95
No, that's a great argument. . . these voting blocks PREFER Bernie, so ignore that preference pdsimdars May 2016 #99
I didn't say a thing about forcing anyone to do anything, but okay. Garrett78 May 2016 #102
But that is what people in your position are saying. . . pdsimdars May 2016 #105
First of all, I don't have a candidate. Garrett78 May 2016 #106
we'll just have to agree to disagree. pdsimdars May 2016 #109
There is data out there, indeed. Garrett78 May 2016 #115
K&R for truth and for dana_b May 2016 #100
Looks like she's going to try to win on Trump fear w/herself as the only alternative senz May 2016 #119
She doesn't have to turn anything around. Bernie is not a choice in the GE - he lost. n/t Lil Missy May 2016 #136
Trump got twice as many votes as Bernie in Indiana Onlooker May 2016 #147
Trump got three times as many votes as Hillary in Indiana. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #154
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