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Tom Rinaldo

(23,185 posts)
50. I've missed you Cali. Glad and not at all surprised to see that you still call it like you see it.
Thu May 5, 2016, 07:49 AM
May 2016

DU gets far too crazy far too often from people only being willing to view reality through their own preferred lens, no matter how finely crafted it may be. Anyone who speculates that you modify your views to placate the Admin of DU don't know you.

As to the substance of your OP, I agree. Maybe there is some wiggle room over what would have to be the unlikely cataclysm in order for Bernie to get actually the nomination ( I think it could be something slightly shy of a Hillary email issue indictment coupled with Bernie winning almost all of the remaining states by over 20 points with a 30+ point spread in California). Extremely unlikely. Hundreds of SD's are joined to Hillary at the hip - not enough emergency rooms available near the convention center to do the necessary surgery to separate them all without calling in National Guard medics under a state of emergency.

But hell yes Bernie needs to stay in this thing until the last votes are counted. He needs to educate, he needs to instigate, he needs to pressure and he needs to mobilize. To walk away from the opportunity that his presidential candidacy provides him to do so would be literally insane for any progressive activist who has devoted his life to the cause to do. And sure, there's one chance in 50 something could happen to still make him the Democratic nominee. That's still near infinitely better odds than winning a super lottery jackpot - and someone wins one of those every week.

I have always taken Bernie at his word. He said he would support the Democratic nominee - he will. He said that he believes Hillary on her worst day is thousands of times better than a potential President Trump - he believes that. We, his supporters, are free to take different positions but those are his. Personally, I'm with Bernie on those points also but I understand how others may not be. None of us are forced to be engaged in electoral politics, or even to vote. We can devote our energy to organizing around issues that matter to us, in addition to or as an alternative to electoral politics. I will look for ways to support any ongoing organizing efforts that come out of the Sanders for President campaign and will look to Bernie for continued leadership.

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lol autopost. elehhhhna May 2016 #1
Global Zero Scorecard NurseJackie May 2016 #2
Lol. That is as devoid of meaning as the ridiculous charts and graphs cali May 2016 #5
Great post. bigwillq May 2016 #7
Aren't you sweet? :-P NurseJackie May 2016 #10
Nuclear weapons are not the only yardstick for foreign military adventurism, Jackie. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #18
Yes Bernie can, and no. He doesn't owe this party. They actively oppose him. Joob May 2016 #3
Sorry, but he joined the party so yes, tucked up as it is, he owes dems his endorsement cali May 2016 #8
Okay but it's been pretty clear the DNC is against Bernie, an endorsement won't help Hillary Joob May 2016 #9
Under the boards you fully expect elbows to be thrown. blm May 2016 #14
Precisely. As long as Bernie sticks with the issues thucythucy May 2016 #56
cali, im beginning to think youre account was hacked or something. litlbilly May 2016 #21
and, no, Bernie owes the democratic party exactly nothing imo. litlbilly May 2016 #23
I'm beginning to wonder if some "reviewed" DUers are are allowed to come back senz May 2016 #28
No, there were no conditions and I could have come back cali May 2016 #30
Well at least you weren't brainwashed -- senz May 2016 #36
Oh ffs. cali May 2016 #41
How can your conscious vote for a "corrupt corporate tool and a consummate liar" bkkyosemite May 2016 #53
my thoughts, exactly; a "conversion" story; this is troubling: "even if he did, the super delegates amborin May 2016 #32
LOLOLOL - If that is what you guys think - you don't know cali. blm May 2016 #39
It is pretty funny. I've kinda worn my "I don't give a shit what you think" cali May 2016 #42
ethically I don't know how you can do it. what you said in your other post. bkkyosemite May 2016 #54
Ethically, I hew to reality. Always have. cali May 2016 #57
heh…same here….but, anyone paying attention would know that…. blm May 2016 #60
Back at you cali May 2016 #64
Im seeing that too. I was on review for a few days so that was fun:) litlbilly May 2016 #43
Oh for fuck's sake. Pathetic. And none too swift cali May 2016 #47
On JPR, there has been talk of people being "perma-reviewed." Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #59
Cali are you aware that Bernie and Hillary are direct opposites jwirr May 2016 #22
You should know better. cali May 2016 #26
Oh, I will vote against Trump but not for Hillary. jwirr May 2016 #29
In our winner take all electoral system, it's the same thing. Adrahil May 2016 #45
The Dem party attacked Bernie full force. He does not owe anything to them he owes to his bkkyosemite May 2016 #52
I tend to agree with you. Marr May 2016 #37
I'm sure DU will be fine without your long term contribution to the board. Nt Sheepshank May 2016 #69
Hooray for common sense nt firebrand80 May 2016 #4
This reminds me of a discussion in graduate school.... aikoaiko May 2016 #6
Like Lola Delaney in William Inge's "Come Back Little Sheba". nt oasis May 2016 #11
For Sanders to win the super delegates would have to ignore the will of the voters. hrmjustin May 2016 #12
brutally honest…... blm May 2016 #13
I have never accepted the argument that Sanders is electable Gothmog May 2016 #15
Agree almost completely. JoePhilly May 2016 #16
I agree. I also think he's doing her a favor by staying in the race. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #17
Cali is there a reason why you think that we should not jwirr May 2016 #19
I want to see Sanders, Newsom, Merkley and Blumenauer get a marijuana legalization plank in there Warren DeMontague May 2016 #20
Blumenauer is dead to me. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #61
Im not all that hung up on that, but ymmv may vary of course. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #73
I said he should continue through the primaries cali May 2016 #27
No. He should stay in until the convention. pat_k May 2016 #24
absolutely! amborin May 2016 #34
Presently, Hillary can't get there either. She can't get 2,382 delegates before the convention. senz May 2016 #25
the democratic party will not have a nominee that is under fbi investigation questionseverything May 2016 #31
Hillary won't win the General Election pdsimdars May 2016 #33
exactly amborin May 2016 #35
Yes, our best defense against Trump is Bernie Sanders. senz May 2016 #38
I've never seen DUers claim Bernie was more hawkish than Hillary... moriah May 2016 #40
K & R Scurrilous May 2016 #44
I admire your integrity. Adrahil May 2016 #46
Thanks cali May 2016 #48
You're working against a one way ratchet going the opposite way of what you want Fumesucker May 2016 #49
I've missed you Cali. Glad and not at all surprised to see that you still call it like you see it. Tom Rinaldo May 2016 #50
Thank you Tom. Lovely to see you. cali May 2016 #51
Great post - I can't find a single thing to disagree with, as a Bernie supporter. bullwinkle428 May 2016 #67
The DNC has shown they are willing to cheat, lie and annoint. The DNC is in for a big surprise bkkyosemite May 2016 #55
I agree about the dnc, but whether they're in for a big surprise? cali May 2016 #58
Keep dreaming little sunshine pdsimdars May 2016 #62
Keep dreaming what? cali May 2016 #66
Interesting. H2O Man May 2016 #63
Your title is factually incorrect; thanks for the FUD Fronkonsteen May 2016 #65
Lol. Fuck that cali May 2016 #68
Okay. Lack of integrity noted. Fronkonsteen May 2016 #71
with all due respect: can't never could do nothing. and it ain't over til its over. Hiraeth May 2016 #70
I may be deluded in thinking Sanders can win the nomination, but mhatrw May 2016 #72
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