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2016 Postmortem

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firebrand80

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Thu May 5, 2016, 11:25 AM May 2016

Fellow Hillary Supporters, Please Stop Saying that Bernie is "Mathematically Eliminated" [View all]

What you're saying is that he can no longer get the majority of all delegates with PDs alone. This is true, but that's not really a useful standard. Neither candidate will win the majority of all delegates with PDs alone. The standard is who gets the the magic number with PDs + SDs. Everyone knows (even those that won't admit it) that the SDs will follow whoever has the most PDs at the end of the process, so the PD winner is the winner of the primary.

When you argue that Bernie can't get to the magic number with PDs alone, you open yourself up to the argument that Hillary won't either (she won't), and thus, the SDs would be justified in picking a candidate based on some other standard than the will of the voters. This won't happen, unless these elected officials for some reason thought it a good idea to tear the party apart, flush their own political futures down the toilet, and hand the White House to Donald Trump with a 60-vote Senate.

So, the standard is which candidate will have more PDs at the end of the process. That candidate will be Hillary, unless something radically changes the race. Just calm down and let it play out. Any Bernie supporters that thinks some other scenario is likely will figure this out soon enough.

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Not a Hillary supporter, but nice post. Dawgs May 2016 #1
Time to primary BS and his bro's. stonecutter357 May 2016 #2
What are you talking about? Shemp Howard May 2016 #10
Are you saying in order to deny him the office? stonecutter357 May 2016 #13
and you presume to speak for the people of Vermont? nt grasswire May 2016 #15
Now we're getting somewhere. Shemp Howard May 2016 #20
We're including superdelegates. So is Bernie. JaneyVee May 2016 #3
Bernie is just trying to win a majority of the regular delegates. He wants 2026 pledged delegates Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #4
OK, Sanders wont be able to get close enough to have a higher number of delegates. That's syntax... uponit7771 May 2016 #5
I agree that is chances are slim to none firebrand80 May 2016 #7
It may be "syntax" (whatever that means) lagomorph777 May 2016 #9
KNR BootinUp May 2016 #6
Here's the math. lagomorph777 May 2016 #8
I'm not confident that your fourth sentence is true. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #11
Think about it firebrand80 May 2016 #16
75% in Washington State voted for Sanders. Yet, 100% of elected Democratic SDs support Clinton. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #23
Also not a Hillary Supporter, but good post! Melissa G May 2016 #12
personally, I've never said...or do not recall saying, he was mathematically eliminated Tarc May 2016 #14
There have been several posts in the last few days claiming this firebrand80 May 2016 #17
I'm a descriptivist, and while I would generally agree with you The Second Stone May 2016 #18
It's still mathematically possible for HRC to win the nomination on pledged delegates alone. Yavin4 May 2016 #19
Yes, but she probably won't firebrand80 May 2016 #22
The argument in 2008 was supers should follow pledged delegates... moriah May 2016 #21
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