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Dragonfli

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102. Do you know the "supposed" purpose of superdelegates? I do, and it isn't so they can be purchased or
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:15 PM
May 2016

threatened by a candidate to vote for them. Nor is it as some are now trying to spin, "so they and regular people can both feel warm and fuzzy by being part of the convention."


You see he superdelegates are supposed to support the one that will win the GE and not lose it, current trends show that Sanders would be that guy, of course in order to keep the people fooled that believe they are supposed to vote mostly as tie breakers, (that is not their actual intended purpose)

Sanders will have to bring down that 250+ pledged delegate deficit to a much smaller margin, one in the single digits or double digits perhaps depending on just how unelectable Clinton is in the GE at the time of the convention.

For the record however, again - the superdelegates do have a purpose and it is not a "feel good, I get to be involved!" purpose. It is "about the business of winning again" to quote one of the Committee members that formed the rule change that brought the Superdelegates into being.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: And, Professor Rohde, could you explain why the Democratic Party came up with the superdelegate system and whether the Republican Party follows the same system?

DAVID ROHDE: Let me take the second part first. The Republicans have—do have some superdelegates, but it’s—I believe the number is three per state. So it’s not very important. It’s for the national party representatives from the state.
The reason that the Democrats adopted the superdelegate plan was really because of the possibility of insurgent candidates, not for their own sake, but insurgent candidates who might not be successful in general elections. So it doesn’t do the party a lot of good to nominate a candidate that reflects the wishes of the party and then to go on and lose the general election. And the poster child for this, of course, was George McGovern, and that—who was an insurgent candidate, won out against the party establishment and then got beaten by 20 points in the national election in a gigantic landslide.

So, the Hunt Commission, the commission that was looking at various aspects of the way the party was organized, after the 1980 election, thought that having superdelegates—and they—in the Democratic Party, they are the members of the National Committee, of which there are a little more than 400, Democratic members of the U.S. House, Democratic members of the U.S. Senate and Democratic governors. And that adds up to 712. And the Hunt Commission thought that having those elected officials play a part in choosing the nominee would be a partial balance that would give more weight to the considerations of electability than might otherwise be placed by the delegates that were elected in the primaries and caucuses.

AMY GOODMAN interview FEBRUARY 11, 2016
DAVID ROHDE
professor of political science at Duke University and co-author of a series of books on every national election since 1980.
MATT KARP
assistant professor of history at Princeton University and contributing editor at Jacobin. His most recent article for Jacobin is "The War on Bernie Sanders.


Some history I've been reading regarding the supposed purpose of the Superdelegates and the reason for there existence:

To nominate a candidate who can win.

While the first two rationales are more procedural, the latter two have a somewhat more specific outcome in mind. For one thing, in light of what had happened in 1972 and 1980, there was some surprisingly frank discussion about the electability of the eventual nominee:

Gov. James B. Hunt Jr. of North Carolina is chairman of the 69-member commission reviewing party nominating rules for the fourth time since 1969. He began the first regional hearing by saying that the goal was to give ordinary Democrats ''greater faith and confidence in the nominating process.''

Victory Is the Objective

''We're about the business of winning again,'' he said, in describing the objective of the commission, which is to present recommendations for action by the national committee early next year. (NYT, 9/25/81)

Gov. James B. Hunt Jr. of North Carolina, who heads the latest Democratic rule-changing group, an unwieldy, 29-member agglomeration of the innocent and the experienced, describes its task as one of writing ''rules that will help us choose a nominee who can win and who, having won, can govern effectively.'' The rules will probably matter less than the unemployment rate to a Democratic victory in 1984. But the comments underscore a traditional motive for the task of rule-changing the Democratic National Committee will finish in March. Much of this year's deliberations have seemed infused with a desire to deny future nominations to political reincarnations of the Jimmy Carter of 1976. (NYT, 1/27/82)

The concept was spawned at a meeting of party leaders after the Republicans scored smashing victories in the 1980 elections. ''There was a strong feeling,'' he said.


One should also not count one's chickens before they are hatched and the MSM is using fraudulent numbers despite being told directly not to by the DNCs Communications director.



And just recently told by DWS herself not to include superdelegates in their counts on election coverage (I apologize for not finding that clip yet)

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Please do not whine to me about how "unfair" the Primary process is... brooklynite May 2016 #1
lol, exactly Renew Deal May 2016 #6
Did you watch the interview? Armstead May 2016 #9
I did Demsrule86 May 2016 #85
I saw the Chris Hayes interview too Demsrule86 May 2016 #89
Two points... Armstead May 2016 #92
Do you know the "supposed" purpose of superdelegates? I do, and it isn't so they can be purchased or Dragonfli May 2016 #102
If that was the case then just take a poll and let the party elite select the nominee Demsrule86 May 2016 #110
Take a poll of the entire electorate? This may sound rude, but did't read what you responded to? Dragonfli May 2016 #116
It's the supposedly "tough" Hillary that's whining about Sanders continuing the race. rhett o rick May 2016 #18
Are you serious? Demsrule86 May 2016 #111
Make up your mind. Is he an obstacle or don't you give a damn about him? rhett o rick May 2016 #115
he whines about his peers Sheepshank May 2016 #44
Why the hell not? It's been horrendous, discouraging and embarrassing. merrily May 2016 #76
You sound like those parents who give kids "participation" trophies... brooklynite May 2016 #82
That post of yours sounds like you heartily approve of election fraud and merrily May 2016 #86
Seriously! Can you imagine? Octafish May 2016 #108
Actually, Bernie sounds kind of whiny in that quote. JoePhilly May 2016 #2
Nah, he has valid points. And he's actually helping the Democratic party. Joob May 2016 #3
Bernie is hurting the party and our efforts to be Trump Demsrule86 May 2016 #91
no, that's Hillary's default response. grasswire May 2016 #4
His quote is whiny. Just a fact. JoePhilly May 2016 #7
His quote is a fact. Your "whiny" is an impression. You of course are entitled to your own Vincardog May 2016 #14
Characterizing an interview with a highly subjective word DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #42
No, Adrea was almost begging him to get out Armstead May 2016 #8
So a reporter was asking uncomfortable questions? JoePhilly May 2016 #12
Did you watch it? Armstead May 2016 #16
Reporter, my ass. She was advocating for Hillary, which is what one would expect from merrily May 2016 #77
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MIght be Demsrule86 May 2016 #46
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Screw you. I'm not delusional, and I'm sending a few more. You just insulted many people personally. Armstead May 2016 #13
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. Dragonfli May 2016 #24
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The core problem is that Hillary mindwalker_i May 2016 #20
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Standard operating procedure mindwalker_i May 2016 #39
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If you MAKE the shoe fit... mindwalker_i May 2016 #57
HEY DEMOCRATS: SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN SOMEONE FIGHTS HARD AND DOESN'T GIVE UP? Maedhros May 2016 #25
What's he fighting for, other than for Trump? Sparkly May 2016 #26
For working class people, unions, poor people... Punkingal May 2016 #36
Who will all suffer way more than most under a Trump presidency... Demsrule86 May 2016 #43
I think they'll suffer equally under either a Trump or Clinton presidency. Fawke Em May 2016 #49
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Absotuley not Demsrule86 May 2016 #93
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for regular Americans, for our democracy, for the truth, to break Wall St.'s grip on our economy, to amborin May 2016 #70
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fight for what Demsrule86 May 2016 #45
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Hillary wants Sen Sanders to quit in the 8th inning because she is afraid he might still rhett o rick May 2016 #27
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He used to regularly drop the hammer on Andrea's husband. . Alan Greeenspan . . pdsimdars May 2016 #80
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It only "makes him look bad" to denizens of Camp Weathervane. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #37
It is not Compromise to move in the opposite direction of what you say you want Armstead May 2016 #55
I think it makes him look GREAT! Stop all the whining for God's sake. Is that all they have? pdsimdars May 2016 #83
"Moan" sounds like something Donald Trump would say. Justice May 2016 #38
Exactly. nt ecstatic May 2016 #63
There you have it Demsrule86 May 2016 #40
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oh yes... them too dana_b May 2016 #96
Someone posted some info abou this and those vote totals pdsimdars May 2016 #98
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Maybe Sanders wouldn't have had to battle with all those elected Democrats in those 19 states Beacool May 2016 #60
Mrs. Greenspan deserved that! n/t markpkessinger May 2016 #61
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It doesn't surprise me that you and the Shrinking Bernie Support Crew don't see the hysterical irony Number23 May 2016 #103
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The "traditional" Democratic base is the one that's giving Hillary Clinton the nomination Number23 May 2016 #112
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