2016 Postmortem

CreekDog

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25. I think all Americans deserve economic security

Reply to AZ Progressive (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2016, 05:38 PM

May 2016

I think all people deserve economic security.

There, I said what I believe.

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Say it Hillary supporters. You don't think Americans deserve economic security... [View all] AZ Progressive May 2016 OP

Most of them won't admit that, but a few will. BillZBubb May 2016 #1

Being liberal doesn't mean checking reality at the door. CrowCityDem May 2016 #7

Politically untenable because affluent Democrats say they are Armstead May 2016 #21

No, because there aren't enough votes, or the public appetite. CrowCityDem May 2016 #38

There is no proof there is no public appetite.... Armstead May 2016 #41

The proof is pretty straight forward.... Adrahil May 2016 #74

Look at Bernie Sanders's popularity. He hasn't had to lie to the public, at all. He is running on w4rma May 2016 #132

Your assertion has nothing at all to do with the point I made. NT Adrahil May 2016 #143

There aren't enough votes because until Bernie started to run, JDPriestly May 2016 #127

So basically: "Your suffering economically? Tough, there's more important issues out there to deal AZ Progressive May 2016 #22

And how does that jive with "Bernie or bust"? CrowCityDem May 2016 #36

Pssst! The word is "jibe," not "jive." RufusTFirefly May 2016 #78

How old are you ? puffy socks May 2016 #106

Ask yourself what must change to make these things politically tenable. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #67

1. Majority support. 2. Smarter plans than Bernie's hack jobs. CrowCityDem May 2016 #87

you get the world you accept and I dont roguevalley May 2016 #125

That is like being for women's rights and against welfare. jwirr May 2016 #59

There are winners and losers...that is life...not saying that the system can't beachbumbob May 2016 #2

The Bernie Or Bust crowd doesnt actually care. JaneyVee May 2016 #118

No, it's the ignore Hillary's endless scandals crowd that doesn't actually care. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #133

You've guys played this "good cop, bad cop" game for a long time and don't expect consequences? AZ Progressive May 2016 #120

The problem StayFrosty May 2016 #3

You don't understand the problem BillZBubb May 2016 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Armstead May 2016 #27

How would it be any different for Hillary? Sejon May 2016 #29

For almost 8 years now we have watched President Obama jwirr May 2016 #63

No one has yet explained to me why Clinton would be better. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #69

"we want Hillary because she won't get your hopes up" BillZBubb May 2016 #86

Vote Hillary: Hopeless. The exact opposite of Obama's slogan. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #134

A presidency built on low expectations, maybe loyalsister May 2016 #137

no.. no, Sanders said the "collective energy" of voters would change the minds of congress... uponit7771 May 2016 #108

Yep. The Clinton Machine's "Rainbow Oligarchy" marks a total betrayal of Democratic... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #4

"Amoral" is an apt word, in this context brentspeak May 2016 #23

Are you kidding me? gaspee May 2016 #44

Could you point out the "homophobic" part of that post SwampG8r May 2016 #88

I'd say a striking example ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #45

The 3rd Way Conservative Democrats are doing a good enough job undoing... bvar22 May 2016 #72

A good teaching post. Thanks. But notice no one seems to care. Loyalty trumps common sense. snowy owl May 2016 #129

And, yet, there was no cut. Hoyt May 2016 #142

Silver lining: With a Trump Presidency, Democrats have a good shot at winning Congress in 2 years. w4rma May 2016 #135

"Rainbow Oligarchy" -- A perfect encapsulation of what I have been feeling for months JonLeibowitz May 2016 #111

Gladly, Mr, Stewart! NewImproved Deal May 2016 #121

Agreed! LOL. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #123

Its not personal. Neoliberalism has winners and losers. It channels money to the winners. Baobab May 2016 #5

I don't believe... CrowCityDem May 2016 #6

Every person has the right to rise to their God-given potential - Hillary Clinton Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #8

She doesn't mention the part where they pull the ladder up behind them. corkhead May 2016 #19

Never? Adrahil May 2016 #83

Never. It always results in a bunch of people living in alleys and eating out of trashcans Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #89

Using the exception to prove the rule...so disingenuous. But it makes you feel better. snowy owl May 2016 #130

Its not clear to me what you are for and what I should be against. nt BootinUp May 2016 #9

Why should I say it... NCTraveler May 2016 #10

Damn you figured me out! CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #11

Why do you measure someone's worth only in terms of money? Why do you devalue humanity? Corporate666 May 2016 #12

Don't ask me, ask the capitalist system that determines this AZ Progressive May 2016 #20

Non sequitor Corporate666 May 2016 #94

The old corporatist dodge! Excellent. BillZBubb May 2016 #24

You missed the point big time Corporate666 May 2016 #95

That's... not remotely the case. There is disagreement about how best to provide economic security. Zynx May 2016 #13

Right back at you on looking at Hillary as she truly is... BillZBubb May 2016 #30

She opposed all of Bush's supply-side policies. Perhaps you've forgotten that. Zynx May 2016 #32

So did virtually every Democrat. That's not exactly a boon to the poor. BillZBubb May 2016 #33

When she was in office, the Democrats were usually in the minority. It was mainly about opposing Zynx May 2016 #37

"Once they took the majority she supported..." ablamj May 2016 #138

. corkhead May 2016 #14

That photo is a classic nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #17

It's representative of right-way thinking. This Party has been overrun by conservatives. Broward May 2016 #15

Bernie's magic wand will fix all! JaneyVee May 2016 #16

I think all Americans deserve economic security CreekDog May 2016 #25

But you'll vote for Hillary because we just can't do those things now! BillZBubb May 2016 #31

I'll vote for Hillary because she's the better candidate CreekDog May 2016 #39

Yep, because she'll make sure that the top 20% won't sink below to the level of "the common people" AZ Progressive May 2016 #54

Apparently you don't understand the word "everyone" CreekDog May 2016 #122

I'll vote for Hillary because... Adrahil May 2016 #66

Your cause maybe, not mine. BillZBubb May 2016 #77

That's your "opinion" NT Adrahil May 2016 #84

Clinton will give it, not Sanders. The point is, Clinton has better policies than Sanders. seabeyond May 2016 #26

Nobody even knows what her policies are she "evolves" that often Sejon May 2016 #34

How are free trade and for profit health insurance better? MrsKirkley May 2016 #40

So that's what they're repackaging socialism to be these days.....LOL Trust Buster May 2016 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author AZ Progressive May 2016 #35

are you crazy? gaspee May 2016 #42

Not me of course, Hillary supporters AZ Progressive May 2016 #47

Get help gaspee May 2016 #50

"I'll offer anybody here fifty dollars an hour if you'll go pick lettuce in Yuma this season" AZ Progressive May 2016 #53

Apparently he's psychic. JoePhilly May 2016 #56

Well, I did read a really insightful article... AZ Progressive May 2016 #64

And what research is that based on? JoePhilly May 2016 #70

And I guess your going to try to convince me that corporatism and the power grab by the 1% is all... AZ Progressive May 2016 #76

I'm not the one writing silly OPs trying to convience anyone of anything. JoePhilly May 2016 #80

Unfortunately for you, this thread is further exposing the aloofness and callousness AZ Progressive May 2016 #82

Have we met? kstewart33 May 2016 #43

Is that the best you can do? AZ Progressive May 2016 #49

Now come on, AZ. kstewart33 May 2016 #52

Fucking stupid is fucking stupid. Starry Messenger May 2016 #46

Those satisfied with the status quo and doing well themselves don't give a * polly7 May 2016 #48

Sociopathy is becoming an American value... AZ Progressive May 2016 #58

More bullshit. Based on a false premise. Lil Missy May 2016 #51

We're waiting for an olive branch from Camp Clinton Sejon May 2016 #62

an olive branch to who? to St Bernie supporters who Lil Missy May 2016 #115

Looks like someone here cares more about celebrity worship than the future of the country AZ Progressive May 2016 #119

That's ridiculous. no olive branch for you Lil Missy May 2016 #136

My.. my ... how the self-righteous pontificate. JoePhilly May 2016 #55

How the willfully ignorant whine! BillZBubb May 2016 #79

No need to admit it, just read their posts. coffeeAM May 2016 #57

JaneyVee says there will ALWAYS be a permanent underclass... cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #60

These people should go back to the Republican Party... AZ Progressive May 2016 #61

They aren't even socially liberal Hydra May 2016 #73

It's so SIMPLE in Hillaryland! BillZBubb May 2016 #81

That's what Republicans and right wingers always say ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #139

... MrWendel May 2016 #65

As other posters have pointed out Hydra May 2016 #68

Just to be clear, economic security is NOT the same as equality equality. Adrahil May 2016 #71

We are talking about economic equality in the sense of the rich not being too rich and the poor... AZ Progressive May 2016 #75

inflation enid602 May 2016 #85

Wow another right wing meme! You righties are always warning BillZBubb May 2016 #91

A classic case of ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #90

You support the Third Way candidate. You are a conservative. BillZBubb May 2016 #92

Do you honestly believe ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #96

I know you are a conservative, you don't. You need to deal with it. BillZBubb May 2016 #97

Again, all I can say is ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #98

Third Way is conservative. Hillary is Third Way. You support Hillary. BillZBubb May 2016 #101

Seriously, you're KILLIN' me!!! NanceGreggs May 2016 #104

The pain of hiding your true nature of conservativism is what's killing you. BillZBubb May 2016 #105

... NanceGreggs May 2016 #124

Who made you the arbiter of OTHER people's views Sparkly May 2016 #100

Basic logic. Hillary is Third Way. Third Way is conservative. BillZBubb May 2016 #102

"It's a fact." Sparkly May 2016 #109

of course Lil Missy May 2016 #117

Bernie supporter here. I don't think minorities and women who support Hillary believe pampango May 2016 #93

Unreal. Sparkly May 2016 #99

Very real. Deal with it. BillZBubb May 2016 #103

I will. Sparkly May 2016 #110

Got a link for that? wildeyed May 2016 #107

So. you think all Hillary supporters are economically better off and don't care about others? nini May 2016 #112

Pot calling the kettle black, look at you guys with the Berniebro thing. AZ Progressive May 2016 #113

If you actually believe this line of reasoning, you should seriously look into the fact that you may anotherproletariat May 2016 #114

I don't have to be brainwashed, I just have a history of experiences to reinforce my ideas AZ Progressive May 2016 #116

As if Bernie Sanders could fix anything. The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #126

You're insane or a Young Republican trolling n/t kevinmc May 2016 #128

kr Norrin Radd May 2016 #131

K&R -- Thanks. Needed to be said. senz May 2016 #140

I say to people here in the top 20%: AZ Progressive May 2016 #141

The 1% are entitled to all the money, don't cha know Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #144