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2016 Postmortem

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nadinbrzezinski

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Wed May 18, 2016, 12:24 PM May 2016

This is much bigger than an election... [View all]

Last edited Wed May 18, 2016, 04:48 PM - Edit history (2)

Yeah, yeah, Clinton will likely be the nominee... and as I said yesterday, I really do not give a fig anymore who the democratic party nominates. Becuase this is much bigger than them. Some of you have accused me of being in Sanders camp for pushing back on the catapulting of your propaganda. Well I am not. Who I vote for is my business, even if now I am positive it is just pretending to vote. Yes I expect to waste my time on June 7, filling a ballot I expect to go to the shredder. That is how much trust I have in the system at this point

One measure of oligarchies are controlled elections. This cycle has shown that side in spades. This is a process thing. There have been more than few issues... and yes you expect an issue or two during an election cycle This year we have seen more than just one or two There is an air of desperation within the system, and I do not mean just the party (and the republcians lost that battle to contain the ginny. This is one marked by anger at the man to use a 1960s term.

So let's tell you why those seeds have been planted. While you sound like third year college students talking about safe spaces... and white privilege, here they are. (For the record safe space talk irks me, and white privilege is very real)



This poverty rate as of 2012 shows a trend where it is leaving the urban core and entering the subborbs (When some folks fixate on spelling, instead of issues, is speaks about them bullying and not caring about the major point made, They are bellow for the hosts). It has not gone down by the way And it is now around you.

According to the GAO


The measure of poverty currently in use was developed some 50 years ago, and was adopted as
the “official” U.S. statistical measure of poverty in 1969. Except for minor technical changes, and
adjustments for price changes in the economy, the “poverty line” (i.e., the income thresholds by
which families or individuals with incomes that fall below are deemed to be poor) is the same as
that developed nearly a half century ago, reflecting a notion of economic need based on living
standards that prevailed in the mid-1950s.


https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33069.pdf

I know that other organizations, my county among them, are using a newer definition that actually makes those numbers look far worst. But they had to. The federal threshold is too low in the 4th most expensive city in the country.

Food insecurity, yes it has also gone up.. currently it stands at 48 million of your friends and neighbors do not know when their next meal is coming.

http://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/impact-of-hunger/hunger-and-poverty/hunger-and-poverty-fact-sheet.html?gclid=CJPntsmJ5MwCFcdhfgodn9EGvA?referrer=https://www.google.com/

Oh it gets better, in spite of the ACA, which incidentally rates will go through the roof this year since a lot of the subsidies are going away, those were to the states, medical bankruptcies continue, and yes even SNOPES has said this is happening... so spare me with the propaganda. And I do know people that RIGHT NOW cannot afford the ACA at the bronze level.

http://www.snopes.com/643000-bankruptcies-in-the-u-s-every-year-due-to-medical-bills/

And we have insurance companies that will leave the exchanges, among them United Health Care. That could spell the end of the exchanges medium term.. which in case you need a translation means back to square one.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/investing/unitedhealthcare-obamacare-exchanges-aca/

College costs continue to go up.

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2015/11/15/college-tuition-costs-continue-rise

Issues of the criminal justice system, and the treatment of POC within it.

Climate change... well I will spare you on that one. I now know many of you still think it is far in the future and you will not live though the consequences. I know better. But I will respect your socially enforced silence on it.

I could go on. These are not partisan issues. These are life and death issues issues that are driving people to quiet levels of desperation. and yes, radicalization. They affect everybody, white, black, brown. Asian. if we had people from the moon, they would be affected too.

Yes, I predict right now that long standing goals of the GOP will be accomplished in the next four years. Yes I expect Social Security to be on the bargain table. Why? Becuase these are also neo liberal policies. that are being implemented world wide, This is part of the austerity plans used in places like Chile first, and Greece now, and those are coming home. Moreover, it was Obama's idea to triangulate with the Grand Bargain... it was the partisanship of Congress that prevented that.

History is prologue...

So yes, Madam president, assuming you even get elected since your party is splitting and many will not vote for you, since they have reasons going back months to decades, enjoy your victory. Those issues are not going away. And do enjoy your right wing party as well. You won, enjoy the victory. You are lucky that conservadems don't discuss this shit. After Ayotzinapa there was a Mexican saying that started to be used by the kids in the streets.



They wanted to bury us, but they did not know we were seeds.

The US already has seen some civil unrest. Starting with the battle of Seattle in 1991, which was a battle against globalization... every so often we see spasms. 1999, students at Berkeley rose up, and that spread state wide. Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, yes both Trump and Sanders are symptoms of this. It is not going away. This is much bigger than an election. But huzzah, the system is still able to protect itself against the rabble.

And I was reminded bellow of the protests over Prop 187 in California. Thanks. I would have to add also the protests against the war in 2003, that were ignored by major media. And Mike M asked me to include Idle no More, originally starting in Canada...

http://www.idlenomore.ca/

And others that I am starting to remember, sorry so many, are the multiple demonstrations against La Migra in California. and the El Bordo meetings. And of course, that is because we are at a border town, but this included other places solidarity marches for ayotzinapa.

John Fitzegrald Kennedy, who is too liberal for the modern day democratic party, warned on his inaugural address that those nations that did not allow a peaceful revolution, would ensure the violent kind. I am proof positive he was thinking of the countries behind the Iron Curtain. It took about a generation for his words to become actual revolutions. They did not involve bullets, but the ballot box. We might question whether those revolutions produced good or bad results, but they were change, well not everywhere were they peaceful... I mean Caucescu would argue how he was deposed and executed was not quite peaceful, but for the most part they were mostly ballot revolutions.

The United States right now finds itself in a similar situation. A system that is responsive to less and less people, and is not responding to the needs of the many, and with levels of income inequality not seen since 1929. Those who prevent peaceful positive change and continue to sneer and demean the left are in for a surprise. But we have Fusion Centers so I am sure that will be nipped in the bud... but only for so long. Even police states do fall. Ask East Germany...

You keep bandying about how the I want my country back is the white good old boys. I have heard that expression at many a rally, some of it at times proceeded by Si se Puede, yes we can. That is an echo not from Obama, but Cesar Chavez by the way. I have also heard this at rallies with African Americans. People want a country where they can make it, and their children can make it. They want a country where their children will have a better future. That country is gone. We used to have it.

I know I am talking to people who are likely wealthier and well to do, and chiefly comfortable. You have no idea of the quiet desperation and anger out there.

We are seeds... beware of the whirlwind.

And yes at this point, many of us will have to welcome both your hate and fear. This is much bigger than an election... there are forces stirring... they have been stirring for a while. Enjoy. The future should be fun... like a root canal. Ask for anesthesia, it might be more tolerable that way.

Oh and talk about you do not vote for my candidate will make you responsible for the loss of my candidate will fall on deaf ears. Those threats no longer work. If you need to know why... re-read the full thing.




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This is much bigger than an election... [View all] nadinbrzezinski May 2016 OP
Great post nadin. Bookmarked to read all of this. nt. polly7 May 2016 #1
You wecome nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #8
Recommended. Thanks mmonk May 2016 #2
Thanks nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #9
Thanks For Posting... I Will Read ALL In A Bit, BUT BOY OH BOY... ChiciB1 May 2016 #3
Yup, but we create realities while you study old realities nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #10
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #4
You welcome nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #7
Recommended! H2O Man May 2016 #5
Thanks nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #6
The poverty rate has gone down since it spiked in 2010. Ace Rothstein May 2016 #11
Ok you go argue this with these folks nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #13
no, it has very definately not gone down, neither has the unemployment- it just has shifted larkrake May 2016 #110
Nadin, I would add protests against Prop 187 to the civil unrest paragraph suffragette May 2016 #12
And I was in CA bad me nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #14
Classic opposite impact, yes? suffragette May 2016 #15
And it is happening again nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #18
Yes, it most certainly is. suffragette May 2016 #50
What are "subborbs"? PeaceNikki May 2016 #16
if that is all you got, whatever nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #17
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #19
Personal attacks now nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #20
There's no attack, nadin. PeaceNikki May 2016 #21
LMAO nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #22
But aren't you embarrassed?!! polly7 May 2016 #100
That is why at this point I just laugh nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #102
So childish and transparent. I'm glad you laugh, I guess you've had enough experience with polly7 May 2016 #104
It is not, it is for partisans nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #105
So sad. Roaches, mold, lead, ants in the food .... polly7 May 2016 #106
Part of the reason was, exposure nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #109
"subborbds" CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #26
You know who gets this treatment as well nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #35
Reich can't spell either? CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #40
Yup on Facebook nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #68
Not really that interesting. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #70
Anything to distract and demean nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #71
You're making a lot of broad generlizations. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #72
Lmao nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #73
Hay, Nadyeen CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #74
Well I could cry. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #79
Yes, laughter is the best medicine. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #81
Let me guess ........... you're six? nt. polly7 May 2016 #101
I know, and it's been edited 3 times. PeaceNikki May 2016 #48
You did notice that I left it in place nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #69
You never bought me a damn pizza. PeaceNikki May 2016 #80
So then it was the wrong person, thanks for the clarification. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #83
That was Ian's Pizza, but nobody got one to me. PeaceNikki May 2016 #85
You welcome nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #86
Disgusting. tazkcmo May 2016 #121
Are you a pre-adolescent? If not, you're the one that should be embarrased...and ashamed. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #134
No. It isn't. IT'S JUST AN ELECTION! randome May 2016 #23
I know policy is hard nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #24
I don't see any discussion of policy in your post. It's a list of complaints, many valid ones. randome May 2016 #25
If you think a list actually pointing to policy is not policy nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #30
But, she said ... as plan as day ... that she has no candidate ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #34
I still don't nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #36
"Son"? Is that a typo? 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #39
Nope, I mean it, I am sure you are younger than me nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #42
Do you make it a practice to call someone you don't know, "Son" ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #44
My apologies have an excellent day nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #47
serious conversation that includes calling me son? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #52
I am actually. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #57
Nadin ... I couldn't care less whom you will be pretending to vote for ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #60
If an apology is given and not accepted nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Colors May 2016 #45
It's not a game, but the Bernie supporters aren't acting like it isn't. forjusticethunders May 2016 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Colors May 2016 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #112
I've not seen a single Clinton supporter who gives a shit about working people Scootaloo May 2016 #151
Apparently YOU "have no damned clue" as to which governmental body can help. randome May 2016 #89
Excuses excuses nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #90
No, it's just an election. Sanders over-promised and under-delivered. He should have known better. Trust Buster May 2016 #27
HOW PROFOUND nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #31
And True. You don't start a political movement with a 74 year old leader without the political bloc Trust Buster May 2016 #32
This tells me you read the first line maybe nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #33
Insult me all you wish, but I still don't see legs to this so called revolution. It is just an Trust Buster May 2016 #37
Ah longe duree nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #38
You seem a little to self absorbed to carry on a substantive discussion IMO. Trust Buster May 2016 #41
LMAO nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #43
You mean "longue durée", I think. PeaceNikki May 2016 #46
Lmao another precious clutching of pearls nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #49
!!! zappaman May 2016 #75
Otherwise known as self absorbed. Trust Buster May 2016 #114
Hard to get past all the petty condescending snark to take you seriously. procon May 2016 #131
Thanks I need to laugh nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #132
K&R Ferd Berfel May 2016 #28
They drones don't like Carter TimPlo May 2016 #91
yep that why people like Franks and Dean copy the practice Ferd Berfel May 2016 #92
Well this is a different set of values nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #96
k&r 840high May 2016 #29
If Bernie were the DEM nominee, do you think your underthematrix May 2016 #53
Yup nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #58
Kicking Mike__M May 2016 #54
Will include it when I get home nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #59
Thanks, Nadine! Beowulf May 2016 #56
You welcome nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #61
Great post. Because facts matter. JudyM May 2016 #63
But as you can see above spelling does nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #64
Yup, noticed that. Any deflection, really, will do. JudyM May 2016 #66
Thanks, nadin. K&R. They won't get it, though. nt antigop May 2016 #65
I know nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #67
I've said this before and I will say it again... antigop May 2016 #77
I agree with you nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #78
and there are still too many antigop May 2016 #84
It seems to be worse Mnpaul May 2016 #93
Well there is a reason for that nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #94
Dem after dem on TV pleading unite the party but they don't get it . . . tired of them. snowy owl May 2016 #76
It has been a long process nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #82
thank you snowy for that touch of reality larkrake May 2016 #111
Great post Nadin pmorlan1 May 2016 #87
If the other guy wins, they will suddenly become interested in policy nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #88
a global perspective brings needed sanity carolinayellowdog May 2016 #95
Yes, and the US is reaching levels of corruption not seen since Tammany Hall nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #97
No, it's worse than that because most of those billionaires don't care if they fuck up the planet... nolabels May 2016 #154
Love this! Thank you! Seeinghope May 2016 #98
You welcome nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #99
Good post. PatrickforO May 2016 #103
I enjoyed your post. Some really good points in there. BillZBubb May 2016 #107
Recommended--a fine post. panader0 May 2016 #108
You are always on my must read list dragonfly301 May 2016 #113
Thanks nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #116
So negative Dem2 May 2016 #115
I am actually positive that things will get much worst for the actual working and middle class nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #117
Thanks Dem2 May 2016 #118
LMAO nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #119
Sorry Dem2 May 2016 #120
Your critiques ablamj May 2016 #122
Whoosh Dem2 May 2016 #123
Perfect dwrjr May 2016 #155
Pssst... YvonneCa May 2016 #124
We did file for press credentials nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #125
Clinton in CV.. YvonneCa May 2016 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #127
Here.. YvonneCa May 2016 #128
We got our media credentials tonight nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #145
Enjoy! Wish I could be there... YvonneCa May 2016 #157
... YvonneCa May 2016 #129
That is useful for regular attendees nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #130
K & R!!!!! KPN May 2016 #133
K & R, nadin, much higher quality content than you get from most here (myself included, lol). nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #135
Well it is a war for the soul of the coutry nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #136
Yea, be careful of spewwing ewwors, my friend! The little kiddos might come out from... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #137
yes indeed nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #138
Exactly! emsimon33 May 2016 #141
K&R Fabulous! emsimon33 May 2016 #139
The anger is real nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #140
I was really wondering creeksneakers2 May 2016 #148
My opinion is that policy is hard nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #149
K&R Scuba May 2016 #142
Brava, Nadin! countryjake May 2016 #143
I've been talking to a lot of college students. They love Bernie like we loved JFK. JDPriestly May 2016 #144
I am press I have not donated money to any pol nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #146
K&R^ Zorra May 2016 #147
It's not just an election. barrow-wight May 2016 #150
"You have no idea of the quiet desperation and anger out there." - that's the damn truth, innit? Scootaloo May 2016 #152
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #153
Class struggle democrank May 2016 #156
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