2016 Postmortem

KPN

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32. She is right. Bernie is damaging the Democratic Party severely ...

Thu May 19, 2016, 11:40 AM

May 2016

in a good way. The Party still has an opportunity to right the listing ship, but I frankly doubt it will.

Philly will definitely see ugly protests. Too late to reverse that. It's only a matter of how the establishment contains the protest element -- they will do everything they can to squash it for sure.

This was all so unnecessary. I put the blame on DWS and the DNC (corporatist) machine. They put all their eggs in Hillary's basket long ago ... and then ineptly went about controlling the outcome. If they hadn't been so nakedly obvious, things certainly wouldn't be as divisive as they are right now.

It strikes me that it is now too late. The damage is done. The Democratic Party is going the way of the GOP -- breaking in two.

To some that is bad, others good.

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Maddow: "EEEK!! Bernie's going to destroy the Democratic Party." [View all] 99th_Monkey May 2016 OP

Dumped listening to Maddow weeks ago FreakinDJ May 2016 #1

Ignored us, laughed at us, now fighting us....all that's left is we WIN! MaeScott May 2016 #3

Sanders is lying to his supporters, he cannot win: he is dishonest lewebley3 May 2016 #18

His supporters know this is an uphill battle. Fawke Em May 2016 #62

This^^^^would not be an issue without the FBI granting immunity libdem4life May 2016 #83

I stopped months ago and can't believe I did. pdsimdars May 2016 #38

Welcome to a NOT so exclusive club! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #45

She's just another COrporate stooge protecting her pay check Ferd Berfel May 2016 #81

I bailed after they canned Donahue. frylock May 2016 #125

I did to, for awhile Ferd Berfel May 2016 #185

Fox should hire her for this campaign. Skink May 2016 #2

Yeah both she Faux pas May 2016 #4

Hayes is just telling you the truth: Sanders has been rejected lewebley3 May 2016 #19

So they report the facts and your reaction is to do this? Sad Actor May 2016 #57

Editorializing isn't telling "the truth." Fawke Em May 2016 #66

Nothing Faux pas May 2016 #88

1. Redefine the word "facts" demwing May 2016 #112

So you think Rachel is a liar? That is what right wingers think. Actor May 2016 #116

You think media mouthpieces don't lie? That is what sycophants think. demwing May 2016 #117

Can you point to a lie of hers? I am just a dumb sycophant and would like to see if you can, Actor May 2016 #118

Well she's lying about the violence in NV. frylock May 2016 #126

right, thus the OP demwing May 2016 #145

I think I just figured out who is who around here, I was confused at first Actor May 2016 #172

Did you miss that class at Brock U? frylock May 2016 #173

While you play this deadly game, the world is scared to death you will be successful Actor May 2016 #177

Clinton encouraged Trump to run, not Bernie demwing May 2016 #182

Who is "ourselves" I thought this was a board for liberal Democrats, or liberals? Actor May 2016 #183

So what the fuck is Democratic about vote suppression and fraud? demwing May 2016 #176

So the Democratic Party is committing voter fraud? Say that again please. Actor May 2016 #179

So what the fuck is Democratic about vote suppression and fraud? demwing May 2016 #181

You understand the OP has already established this, correct? demwing May 2016 #144

The vast majority of them are lemmings, demwing. You have to remember one phrase concerning them: VulgarPoet May 2016 #169

Good point demwing May 2016 #180

This message was self-deleted by its author demwing May 2016 #111

Maddie hasn't been relevant since KO left. Her audience Exilednight May 2016 #5

Not to mention that she may truly support Hillary but she is jwirr May 2016 #68

That and a $7 Million dollar pay check go a long way to destroy her integrity. Vincardog May 2016 #85

You've got to be kidding! She came into her own after he left. LisaM May 2016 #132

She is not trying to stay neutral passiveporcupine May 2016 #159

Sorry Rachel but the Democratic Party is destroying itself. redwitch May 2016 #6

+10 --> Can't argue with that, even If I wanted to. n/t 99th_Monkey May 2016 #11

Sadly Sanders is destroying himself: fame has gone to his head lewebley3 May 2016 #20

deteriorated from the inside out. same with the R party. Hiraeth May 2016 #24

And to be blunt, good riddance to both. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #30

still holding my breath on that last statement. Hiraeth May 2016 #35

Yeah, so am I, actually. That was unnecessarily gloomy. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #40

it is getting surreal, right Hiraeth May 2016 #50

I concur. Get rid of parties altogether; the founders were suspicious of them for good Blue Meany May 2016 #79

To paraphrase Jefferson... VulgarPoet May 2016 #170

And Sanders and his supporters are the main weapon question everything May 2016 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author carolinayellowdog May 2016 #48

Now, now Amaril May 2016 #82

Already going to blame tRump on Sanders supporters? Raster May 2016 #109

It's NEVER Hillary's fault demwing May 2016 #115

Mark my words. MSNBC will be sold by Comcast as soon as Trump wins. Their mission will have floriduck May 2016 #7

TYT basicly said the same thing. PFunk1 May 2016 #131

The Democratic Party (tm) is destroying itself mindwalker_i May 2016 #8

Sanders people are destroying his message with violence lewebley3 May 2016 #28

Not sure. With all the parellels with Trump question everything May 2016 #41

Two candidates have supporters who have been arrested for violence. jeff47 May 2016 #52

You are a liar mindwalker_i May 2016 #63

Hillbot. Katashi_itto May 2016 #64

Ignore him. He just needs the attention pangaia May 2016 #140

Completely untrue. More lies and media manipulation. Raster May 2016 #110

She's such a victim notadmblnd May 2016 #9

NO, its the American people that will be the victims without lewebley3 May 2016 #22

They don't care. They will welcome Trump question everything May 2016 #43

... notadmblnd May 2016 #75

No, probably was an spokesperson for The Royal Crown, libdem4life May 2016 #86

Just another jester hoping to sing for the king and queen notadmblnd May 2016 #87

Sounds like it. But at least they disguised it as humor...this one is lacking that libdem4life May 2016 #90

I was being facetious notadmblnd May 2016 #91

I know...I just played on it. libdem4life May 2016 #93

The jester wants to sing for the king and queen Art_from_Ark May 2016 #151

Did he borrow his coat from James Dean? Fawke Em May 2016 #166

The Hillary Campaign's Project "Discredit him, disqualify him and unify the Party later." merrily May 2016 #10

Sanders is discrediting himself: he is lying about winning lewebley3 May 2016 #23

No, he is not. That is a Brock meme. I am on Bernie's mailing list and know what he is saying. merrily May 2016 #42

Another sanders fan obsessed with Brock. te he I am glad he gets you goat... riversedge May 2016 #152

Obsessed? LOL! The things some of you come up with are entertaining, and reveal a lot about you. merrily May 2016 #161

No one is claiming "winning" but the HRC Crowd. I get Bernie's emails, too libdem4life May 2016 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #12

Isn't that the truth. Skwmom May 2016 #108

"She is beside herself that Sanders had the audacity actually 'running to win'" caquillo May 2016 #13

Look, another one. Maedhros May 2016 #55

ditto, wow these idiots are popping up in droves. or should i say, in d---Roves:) litlbilly May 2016 #149

There's Boxers and Boxers of them. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #158

That whole "3 million votes" thing is such a crock. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #67

The Senior Senator from California is getting a bit antsy. libdem4life May 2016 #89

Like a pressure cooker passiveporcupine May 2016 #160

Good analogy. Hillary has surely turned up the heat. libdem4life May 2016 #165

.. frylock May 2016 #127

OK, but see this: MineralMan May 2016 #14

For the same reasons O'Reilly show grew at one point nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #27

Hers is not a news show. It is commentary. MineralMan May 2016 #31

My point, and she used to do very fine reporting nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #36

"Isn't that interesting?" No (nt) jack_krass May 2016 #70

That will drop now that she's started this shit. Fawke Em May 2016 #71

Speaking of false equivalencies...unbecoming. libdem4life May 2016 #96

She has lost all credibility and no longer deserves any respect. She sold out. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #15

Hillary has great credibility she ran a wonderful campaign: Sanders lewebley3 May 2016 #26

I'm not talking about Hillary. Please, try to keep up if you're going to address me. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #39

Bots are slow nt Depaysement May 2016 #134

You are lying about Sanders lying...he doesn't say he's winning. So stop it. libdem4life May 2016 #97

Yes I remember when Rachel waged war with Politifact. gordianot May 2016 #16

Doom. Gloom. Pestilance. The End is Near. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #17

She is just another Hillary shill, a dime, a dozen of them in the media One Black Sheep May 2016 #21

The pay is good nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #25

They did throw chairs and it has not been debunked.. r u allergic to reality? n/t asuhornets May 2016 #29

ONE chair was raised off the floor, ONE time, period. End of story.. nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #44

Bernie supporters went there to try and change the delegates--it didn't work--they got mad asuhornets May 2016 #69

OMG! Someone "got mad". For shame. n/t 99th_Monkey May 2016 #72

Check your, um, facts. The Chair (person) changed the rules without libdem4life May 2016 #98

No. The Chairwoman already knew there were more Clinton delegates than Sanders delegates. asuhornets May 2016 #99

She did not play by the rules. She panicked. Deal with it. libdem4life May 2016 #101

No you deal with it...my candidate is winning!!!!!!!!!!! asuhornets May 2016 #103

Pretty sure this was not the discussion...but typical deflection. libdem4life May 2016 #104

... disillusioned73 May 2016 #46

Don't you get tired of being corrected. frylock May 2016 #130

I consider the source of those trying to correct me... asuhornets May 2016 #135

You guys are fucking toast. frylock May 2016 #150

Yea right... asuhornets May 2016 #153

OK...maybe they just waved them in the air..eom asuhornets May 2016 #168

there is video grasswire May 2016 #137

i saw it....Sanders bash the Demo Party, then expect them to hand over delegates to him.. asuhornets May 2016 #143

no grasswire May 2016 #146

I'm not to argue about a chair. n/t asuhornets May 2016 #154

but you are willing to lie about it? nt grasswire May 2016 #157

It HAS been debunked. passiveporcupine May 2016 #163

OK...maybe they just waved them in the air..eom asuhornets May 2016 #167

One guy, one chair passiveporcupine May 2016 #184

She is right. Bernie is damaging the Democratic Party severely ... KPN May 2016 #32

Rachel lost me a long ass time ago madokie May 2016 #33

Is that the right link? Sparkly May 2016 #34

it debunks the "violence" BS nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #47

Hey Rachel, it is YOU and the paid for corporate media that have ruined the party! ViseGrip May 2016 #49

stopped watching her several years ago. 2banon May 2016 #51

She is right and he has never said or done anything positive to add to or grow the Party Sheepshank May 2016 #53

Bernie is calling the Party to account for its own claims to really being "democratic" 99th_Monkey May 2016 #59

He has done nothing quite that noble. His history of insults to the Party.... Sheepshank May 2016 #73

I haven't watched Rachel in months. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #54

Ms. Maddow should practice journalism, imo. saidsimplesimon May 2016 #56

Some of his supporters were violent in NV last weekend. riversedge May 2016 #58

That is a TOTAL LIE! 99th_Monkey May 2016 #65

Also there was lots of Verbal Violence directed at a Democratic Senator from CA-Boxer! riversedge May 2016 #74

The situation became tense, people got visibly upset about the process <-- true 99th_Monkey May 2016 #94

she was blowing kisses at the crowd when she left grasswire May 2016 #142

There was verbal anger directed at Lange passiveporcupine May 2016 #164

Love Rachel!! She's the only one that realized that we don't need to 'court' Sanders voters. anotherproletariat May 2016 #60

Can't stand her any longer. Fawke Em May 2016 #61

You still watch ... Trajan May 2016 #76

Now Rachel projects too? AgingAmerican May 2016 #77

health alert oldandhappy May 2016 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author carolinayellowdog May 2016 #121

I just got Netflix - lots of stuff oldandhappy May 2016 #122

She should just go to faux. She is one in the same. onecaliberal May 2016 #80

Yeah, she could team up with Steve whats-his-name Art_from_Ark May 2016 #162

I won't watch her even on youtube dana_b May 2016 #84

I hope she's right. tabasco May 2016 #95

By mistake, I happened to watch her last night. libdem4life May 2016 #100

Better get Mayor Daley to knock some heads quick! mhatrw May 2016 #102

look how much badly he does against Trump! there's only one candidate who'll throw the election MisterP May 2016 #105

Did I mention that I love her!! nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #106

No, Ms. Clinton's Cheerleader, you, team Clinton and the rest of the Corporatists have already Skwmom May 2016 #107

I like Rachel, but I hate the shilling she's been doing this election season DemocraticSocialist8 May 2016 #113

She knows which side of the bread is buttered d_legendary1 May 2016 #114

Civil disobedience used to be a progressive value Goblinmonger May 2016 #119

The "sky is falling" hysteria is pretty funny. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #120

OH NOES!!!! Not destroy!!! Autumn May 2016 #123

She's gone from the most likely successor to Olbermann to a yawn-inducing shill. Disappointed. M$NBC Vote2016 May 2016 #124

I'll bet Olbermann regrets giving her the lucky break she needed. senz May 2016 #128

Keith!! grasswire May 2016 #139

Corporate shills like Maddow and Hillary are the destroyers. Broward May 2016 #129

It's the Iraq War all over again. haikugal May 2016 #133

can't watch her grasswire May 2016 #136

No, it's clowns like Wasserman-Schultz and the Clintons tabasco May 2016 #138

Actually, she did a whole report and summed it up : Don't Worry This is Normal nt BootinUp May 2016 #141

Getting as shrill as Hillary. ozone_man May 2016 #147

Are people calling her on it on social media passiveporcupine May 2016 #148

I dumped cable January of 2015. I don't miss it. CentralMass May 2016 #155

Well you know how hysterical some people can get. highprincipleswork May 2016 #156

That is the word. Octafish May 2016 #171

Has she apologized yet? pdsimdars May 2016 #174

Sellouts suck. 99Forever May 2016 #175

With a 7 million dollar annual salary nest May 2016 #178