2016 Postmortem

nadinbrzezinski

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128. Well I'm getting lunch

Fri May 20, 2016, 04:04 PM

May 2016

After a labor story. Will go home and work on it. This feeling that these elections are for show. We "vote" to overcome, hopefully, the chicanery. Yes Bernie came up, two events this weekend. (We are trying to get credentials). So did Clinton, bill is coming. We can't split ourselves and last time we did not get them. So did Trump, he is coming next week. We will be covering the violence outside. Yup, get the party favors for a riot checked out.

But none of the labor activists I was talking with today believe their vote really matters. These people are in the movement. They are in the streets. That should speak to what is going on. It is ugly and deep.

But yes, everybody speaks from their experience. Mine has been god awful. And the level of propaganda I have seen has been stunning, as well as information manipulation.

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Male Hillary supporter assaulted a woman because she supports Bernie - THAT'S violence [View all] cui bono May 2016 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author FlatBaroque May 2016 #1

The Atlanta Police say the incident "did not rise to anything significant." pnwmom May 2016 #41

It would appear that they only arrested the actor. Ash_F May 2016 #123

You turned it into a racial thing? Buddyblazon May 2016 #152

self-delete (dupe) pnwmom May 2016 #69

K & R AzDar May 2016 #2

K&R GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #3

K&R liberal_at_heart May 2016 #4

nothing to see here folks, move along..move along.. pinskinny May 2016 #5

Hmmm...who is going to bring violence to the GE convention? passiveporcupine May 2016 #6

Yeah, the only actual incidents of violence I know about are from Hillary supporters. cui bono May 2016 #10

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #71

One trick pony. frylock May 2016 #80

Right. Because the legal presumption of innocence is a "trick" when claimed by black people. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #85

A noun, a verb, and a black guy. frylock May 2016 #87

Pretty much, yeah Scootaloo May 2016 #129

One of my favorite eps! frylock May 2016 #139

Why are you bringing race into this? That's really odd. cui bono May 2016 #92

In the US in 2016 race is STILL a factor. And you assumed his guilt in your OP headline. Why? n/t pnwmom May 2016 #95

Yes, but why did YOU bring race into THIS discussion? You SPECIFICALLY are bringing up his race. cui bono May 2016 #99

Because race is a factor that can't be ignored in any discussion of criminal justice. pnwmom May 2016 #103

Oh please, this is about him being a Hillary supporter who was ACTUALLY arrested for violence. cui bono May 2016 #117

Maybe it's not race, but being a Hillary supporter treestar May 2016 #133

No one has forgotten about that. But this is a real news item where as the chair being thrown cui bono May 2016 #140

I'm flexible. kiva May 2016 #102

Please post a picture of a Hillary supporter actually assaulting a Bernie supporter, pnwmom May 2016 #105

Moving the post? kiva May 2016 #112

Mere claim? Wow. You are unreal. cui bono May 2016 #142

Broctologists in disguise. dchill May 2016 #83

K&R for the mug shot Fumesucker May 2016 #7

He's got scratches on his face. Why assume the black guy is guilty when two couples pnwmom May 2016 #43

It's pathetic... imari362 May 2016 #89

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #90

Won't work with me. imari362 May 2016 #98

that is pure shite and you damn well know it, despicable AntiBank May 2016 #106

Why does the OP assume his guilt? Why do so many others? pnwmom May 2016 #107

why do you inject race into it??? just sickening, do you have any shame?? AntiBank May 2016 #110

Because in the US there is different treatment of white and blacks under the criminal justice system pnwmom May 2016 #113

NO, you have tried to excuse goon behaviour by redirection into a non germane topic AntiBank May 2016 #116

He went after a woman and attacked her . TheFarS1de May 2016 #8

Oh, really. He's been convicted then? Or are you convicting him on the basis of his skin color? pnwmom May 2016 #44

I think it's just as possible the Sanders' supporters slammed Pierce like they have evry other Black Hoyt May 2016 #56

The fact that the police department says that the incident isn't significant says a LOT, I think. n/ pnwmom May 2016 #58

Hillary supporters have no problem spreading the outright LIE that chairs were thrown in Nevada AntiBank May 2016 #111

Chairs were thrown, check the article on Newsweek from May 18. George II May 2016 #160

blatant lie AntiBank May 2016 #162

Chairs were thrown, check the article on Newsweek from May 18. AlbertCat May 2016 #163

Sickening!!! QC May 2016 #9

So Bernie has to tell his supporters to stop the violence, when there was no violence. Joob May 2016 #11

I read here that all the major newspapers reported the Nevada "violence" as being true Art_from_Ark May 2016 #15

Exactly. cui bono May 2016 #19

Is it on video? nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #12

He's facing what are known in the parlance as, um, "criminal charges". Warren DeMontague May 2016 #14

Yes it is the hallway was cammed SwampG8r May 2016 #20

Yes, it happened in a hotel, it was on video nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #25

The police say the incident doesn't "rise to the level of anything significant." pnwmom May 2016 #74

Yes, there was no incident nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #94

And some here make jokes and excuses for it. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #13

And some decide the black guy -- with scratches on his face -- is guilty without a trial. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #46

the black guy frylock May 2016 #70

I am surprised at how low some will go for their prized pony. Rex May 2016 #135

Indeed it is shameful behavior. It's just as bad as the many, many Bernie thugs are.. Lil Missy May 2016 #16

Got any mugshots to go with that fiction? Bluenorthwest May 2016 #24

You got any police reports? Video maybe? nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #26

I looked for a video but so far all I can find are claims from people here that they exist. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #82

Since videos of no chair throwing. To be precise one nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #124

Thugs, huh? Arugula Latte May 2016 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author TheSarcastinator May 2016 #29

Except the Hillary "thugs" are not fictitious and born out of the catapulting of propaganda. cui bono May 2016 #31

Pierce is not a thug and hasn't been found guilty of anything. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #66

I didn't call anyone a "thug". Notice the quotations cuz that's the term the Hillary supporter used. cui bono May 2016 #72

He's a fucking punk ass thug who hit a woman. frylock May 2016 #73

Has there been a trial? Why do the police say the incident didn't "rise to the level of pnwmom May 2016 #75

He hit a woman, and you're defending it. frylock May 2016 #77

I'm asking for evidence. I haven't seen anything but an "allegation" that the police say pnwmom May 2016 #78

You're asking for evidence? frylock May 2016 #84

Would it be wrong for him to have a lawyer too? treestar May 2016 #134

He has no rights in the court of public opinion. frylock May 2016 #143

Not regarding a criminal charge treestar May 2016 #150

It is also unproven. Just allegations that the Atlanta PD say don't "rise to the level of anything pnwmom May 2016 #68

You forgot something something black guy. frylock May 2016 #86

Sadly, this isn't the first person who has brought up race for no reason at all. cui bono May 2016 #144

There is a concerted effort on the part of Hillary supporters to paint Bernie supporters as racist. AlbertCat May 2016 #164

"I know you are but what am I?" is a children's tactic. And it's evidence-free. arcane1 May 2016 #118

The difference is you can't back that up, but we've got a mugshot up there^ liberalnarb May 2016 #147

Actual thuggish behavior. Apparently so much less interesting than provoked behavior U can lie about highprincipleswork May 2016 #17

{crickets} where's the Brock brigade? jack_krass May 2016 #18

Ah another Bernie supporter who thinks violence is only physical. apnu May 2016 #21

But it's you who is excusing an actual arrest causing assualt by a man on a woman. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #22

No I'm not. apnu May 2016 #30

Look, your entire act here is characterizing what you claim others said, no quotes, no nothing Bluenorthwest May 2016 #79

Ain't it wonderful Puglover May 2016 #159

Plenty of violence has been done to me by HRC supporters on this board nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #28

First off what bullying have I done? apnu May 2016 #33

Look I am talking from my own personal experience nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #38

I am very sorry that happened to you. apnu May 2016 #42

Well I'm getting lunch nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #128

Word. apnu May 2016 #131

Again to each their own nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #132

Indeed. It got very violent in the House of Reps yesterday... Luminous Animal May 2016 #32

Thank you! Violence isn't just physical. apnu May 2016 #34

lol reddread May 2016 #35

Do you have something constructive to say or are you a shit stirrer? apnu May 2016 #37

Hol-ee fuck. frylock May 2016 #76

pot meet kettle AntiBank May 2016 #119

Interesting AlbertCat May 2016 #165

I take it that you think protesting is a form of violence? If I jwirr May 2016 #49

You don't know what I think, don't put words in my mouth apnu May 2016 #55

I DID NOT say it was a revolution. I said it was a protest. jwirr May 2016 #67

How have you avoided my IL thus far? snort May 2016 #91

I could care less about your self important ignore list. apnu May 2016 #104

Incredible that this incident is swept under the rug while any Bernie supporter saying the b-word riderinthestorm May 2016 #23

Its shameful but not swept under the rug. apnu May 2016 #36

How do you know he will be found guilty? How do you know the other couple pnwmom May 2016 #40

I don't. Could be defensive wounds which are common in violent attacks apnu May 2016 #45

This isn't like the situation at the caucuses, where delegates were recorded on video. pnwmom May 2016 #50

There is video of Pierce. This happened in a casino, cameras everywhere riderinthestorm May 2016 #57

Link, please. That isn't what I heard. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #60

And that video shows that no chair throwing occurred. You're not making the point you think you are. cui bono May 2016 #145

This happened 4 days ago. Nary a word of condemnation from Hillary riderinthestorm May 2016 #47

WTF? apnu May 2016 #52

Pierce isn't a delegate. He doesn't represent Hillary. And there is NO EVIDENCE that he's guilty -- pnwmom May 2016 #54

There is video of Pierce. This happened in a casino, cameras everywhere riderinthestorm May 2016 #59

Where's the link? This article says it took place in the hallway of a hotel. pnwmom May 2016 #61

Why does Hillary support violence against women???!!! Why??? QC May 2016 #97

Why do you think we should assume the guilt of a black man without a trial pnwmom May 2016 #108

Why did you accept the discredited chair-throwing narrative QC May 2016 #115

Two couples got in an argument and you're AUTOMATICALLY deciding the black guy was guilty? pnwmom May 2016 #39

My objection is the back handed attack of what "real" violence is. apnu May 2016 #48

Just look through the responses here. Everyone is denouncing the African American and assuming pnwmom May 2016 #51

It is. I feel ill. (nt) apnu May 2016 #53

Well, when people make up a story about a chair being thrown then there is a distinction to be made. cui bono May 2016 #138

Bernie supporters love full on assumptions and conclusions treestar May 2016 #63

Jury results beevul May 2016 #93

Oh my, thanks treestar May 2016 #126

Really? Prove it. You're responding to a post made to me. cui bono May 2016 #137

No one said you were a racist treestar May 2016 #151

I agree with you. Race has nothing to do with this situation. cui bono May 2016 #158

And because he's a Black supporter of Hillary you assume he must be innocent? imagine2015 May 2016 #64

I assume the same thing I always do: INNOCENT till proven guilty. And no one has shown pnwmom May 2016 #65

Makes you wonder about this "revolution" treestar May 2016 #130

because he's a person accused, he is presumed innocent treestar May 2016 #127

In America we presume innocence before guilt. apnu May 2016 #141

He's the one who got arrested. But go ahead and keep spamming the board trying to make me racist. cui bono May 2016 #96

So what? Have we dispensed with the need for trials yet? He was arrested so he's guilty? pnwmom May 2016 #101

So you've NEVER seen an OP on here about someone getting arrested? Really? cui bono May 2016 #114

there doesn't seem to be much there about what the fight was about treestar May 2016 #62

And his ass is in jail...n/t asuhornets May 2016 #81

Right. Throw the black guy's ass in jail. No need for a trial. He must be guilty. pnwmom May 2016 #88

you already got this same BULLSHIT hidden once, looks like you were going for the daily double AntiBank May 2016 #122

Read through thread, I get it, we don't have to vote the same way for me to agree with AuntPatsy May 2016 #156

Just plain wrong no matter what. JonathanRackham May 2016 #100

Assuming it happened as the accuser claims. We don't know that it did. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #109

garbage: there were witnesses TheSarcastinator May 2016 #120

Are you working this hard to clear up the lies about the chair having been thrown? cui bono May 2016 #121

I am trying, the shillforce is strong on that one, Obi wan AntiBank May 2016 #125

The fact that Hillary has not come out and publicly condemned this tells me two things. jillan May 2016 #136

I don't think she's ok with violence against women vintx May 2016 #148

Thank you. liberalnarb May 2016 #146

Fish or cut bait. fleabiscuit May 2016 #149

And Bernie's Nevada office was shot into. Not a word from Hillary, but people demand Bernie merrily May 2016 #153

Was it Hillary's people who shot into his office? Nonhlanhla May 2016 #157

The difference? Hillary's surrogates lied repeatedly about violence at the Nevada convention. The merrily May 2016 #161

Admins-shut this thing down. People have become delirious looking for dirt. floriduck May 2016 #154

I would like to have heard the conversation that preceded this tirebiter May 2016 #155