2016 Postmortem

wyldwolf

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30. Heh

Sat May 21, 2016, 09:01 AM

May 2016

I do say so. The United States is not a banana republic - apparently that is how some progressives would like to elect a presidents.

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Here's why I still think Bernie Sanders should be the nominee... [View all] tom-servo May 2016 OP

Bernie will win. Here is exactly why RealAmericanDem May 2016 #1

Here's why I still think Hillary Clinton should be the nominee... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #2

Yes, but... tom-servo May 2016 #4

If Team A beats Team B... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #6

This is more like a job interview... tom-servo May 2016 #12

The primary was an ersatz job interview and 3,000,000 more of the interviewers gave her the job. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #15

Then who would make the decision? yardwork May 2016 #24

The superdelegates tom-servo May 2016 #34

Ok. It's up to them. Go talk to them. yardwork May 2016 #39

The FBI -none May 2016 #154

We don't count votes in the primary... leftinportland May 2016 #60

If it's a lot of talk put your money where your mouth is. I will... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #63

One hundred dollars...too steep for me... leftinportland May 2016 #165

I don't have much money but I will donate 20 to your 10 DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #166

Confused... leftinportland May 2016 #167

This is even easier... Sure... Please remind me... If I win I will let you go double or nothing ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #168

Bernie beat the spread! Doesn't that mean he deserves the nomination?! Or something!!?! tritsofme May 2016 #91

Beating the spread is an understatement... tom-servo May 2016 #108

Her lead now is larger than Obama's lead in 2008. How big does it need to be? Arkansas Granny May 2016 #11

The existence of superdelegates seems to imply... tom-servo May 2016 #16

Then, what is your point? It appears to me that the SD's are aligning with primary results. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #18

My point is... tom-servo May 2016 #29

I believe they have selected the better candidate. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #31

I do hope you're right, if she is the nominee. tom-servo May 2016 #35

I don't, not by a long shot. And THAT is the entire point. pangaia May 2016 #51

Yeah... tom-servo May 2016 #75

Exactly. I like your OP, well written and to the point. Lack of exposure except appalachiablue May 2016 #115

Thanks... tom-servo May 2016 #121

Same for me and millions! appalachiablue May 2016 #122

If after decades in congress, SBS is not "known" by the SDs, well, he has a big problem lunamagica May 2016 #142

I didn't mean known to the super delegates... tom-servo May 2016 #143

Much more? She's millions of votes and hundreds of PDs ahead. She's way, way more ahead lunamagica May 2016 #140

I concur...n/t asuhornets May 2016 #77

Damn good reason right there! workinclasszero May 2016 #78

So you think this has been a fair and "democratic" primary so far? tom-servo May 2016 #82

As fair as any other we have had workinclasszero May 2016 #83

Exactly the point...this isn't a fair process... tom-servo May 2016 #88

They should rethink what exactly? The majority vote of democrats? Really? workinclasszero May 2016 #93

I think we've been there for awhile... tom-servo May 2016 #97

So let me ask you this workinclasszero May 2016 #102

Bernie Sanders supporters should at the very least try to affect the platform... tom-servo May 2016 #113

Who's stopping him? workinclasszero May 2016 #120

It sounded like you were suggesting Bernie Sanders supporters... tom-servo May 2016 #137

Well hey I wish he would workinclasszero May 2016 #148

I consider Hillary's campaign to be one dirty trick after another and so will her Presidency be one Todays_Illusion May 2016 #87

Yeah, she stole data from her opponent, her supporters impersonated union members... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #89

Never mind, that talking point lie posted has been debunked. Todays_Illusion May 2016 #92

Wasn't too hard/True/True/True/Mostly True DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #94

Impressive, 3 unrelated posts and one that contratdicts the talking point lie. Todays_Illusion May 2016 #98

I cited data pilfering, campaign finance irregularities, impersonating union members, and ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #100

you are denying what your own link said about the data theft lie. FALSE Todays_Illusion May 2016 #104

I am content to let the readers decide. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #106

You're kidding, right? CrowCityDem May 2016 #3

The narrative has been that... tom-servo May 2016 #7

Ok then Sanders needs a better event promoter. MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #47

I think a fairer, less entertainment-centered media... tom-servo May 2016 #61

No you just needed a better MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #84

I don't have the link but, Obama in 2008 had a few big rallies but, Henhouse May 2016 #86

That would be an interesting link... tom-servo May 2016 #90

I think maybe you have been asleep in the back seat if you think all that is true. pangaia May 2016 #54

Sorry, is it not a FACT that he's been on more Sunday shows than anyone? CrowCityDem May 2016 #59

That's possible and maybe worth verifying... tom-servo May 2016 #64

So...we should invalidate the primary results? NewHampshiriteGuy May 2016 #5

we should let the primary play out as fairly and trasnparently democratic-ly as possible. Hiraeth May 2016 #8

"So...we should invalidate the results? " DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #9

Isn't that what is usually called a coup? greatauntoftriplets May 2016 #153

Yeah, it's a difficult question... tom-servo May 2016 #10

The race is not close. Hillary has won a clear majority of votes, delegates and super delegates. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #14

I disagree... tom-servo May 2016 #17

That's your opinion but the fact is that one candidate holds a clear lead. yardwork May 2016 #25

I'm just not convinced it's a clear lead given the circumstances. tom-servo May 2016 #58

Then you need an abacus griffi94 May 2016 #110

Given their relative advantages/disadvantages at the start... tom-servo May 2016 #138

Obama started as a virtual unknown with far less than 25 years Fresh_Start May 2016 #157

Obama was a "rising star" for a few years before he ran... tom-servo May 2016 #160

It only matters to you griffi94 May 2016 #161

She did obviously workinclasszero May 2016 #79

Not in mine... tom-servo May 2016 #85

"Held on" by 3 MILLION workinclasszero May 2016 #109

I don't think the fact that she is a woman... tom-servo May 2016 #141

I don't remember all this stuff going on when workinclasszero May 2016 #146

I'm pretty sure that my opinions aren't based on gender... tom-servo May 2016 #162

I'm just saying a woman seems to have to do more workinclasszero May 2016 #163

Not a difficult question at all... NewHampshiriteGuy May 2016 #20

If the democratic party were a governmental body... tom-servo May 2016 #45

I'm seriously confused by this... NewHampshiriteGuy May 2016 #69

I'm saying that... tom-servo May 2016 #81

That's some serious cognitive dissonance mythology May 2016 #107

Where's the cognitive dissonance? tom-servo May 2016 #123

She win winning the popular vote 57-43. That's not a weak majority. That's a blow out. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #26

The popular vote in a primary with caucuses... tom-servo May 2016 #42

That is with caucus votes allocated DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #44

They're estimates... tom-servo May 2016 #53

So DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #55

So the best metrics are the real thing. tom-servo May 2016 #56

So she is winning by 11% in pledged delegates. Does that seem close to you? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #57

I still don't understand the sports analogies... tom-servo May 2016 #66

Precisely. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #67

Gets the most votes in the general election...this is still just party candidate selection. tom-servo May 2016 #68

And in party elections it is customary for the nominee who has garnered the most votes. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #71

I actually didn't realized there was a precedent that recent... tom-servo May 2016 #72

Not as upset as the faction that has 3,00,000 more votes would be if it was stolen from them. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #73

If I was a betting man... tom-servo May 2016 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #99

That's a clever twist, but not really accurate... tom-servo May 2016 #105

Here's why I still think the Carolina Panthers should be this year's Super Bowl champs wyldwolf May 2016 #13

That is pretty funny... tom-servo May 2016 #19

You're proposing one of two things, possibly both wyldwolf May 2016 #21

You mean I'm proposing... tom-servo May 2016 #22

of course now. Hillary has won the most votes, the most states and the most delegates wyldwolf May 2016 #23

Heh... tom-servo May 2016 #27

Heh wyldwolf May 2016 #30

We are also not a democracy... tom-servo May 2016 #38

How cute a standard libertarian response wyldwolf May 2016 #41

Do libertarians normally say we are not in a democracy? tom-servo May 2016 #43

yup. Like most of what they say, it isn't grounded in fact. wyldwolf May 2016 #46

We are technically a democratic republic. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #48

exactly. We're a type of Democracy, but still a Democracy wyldwolf May 2016 #50

The person with the most votes gets to represent us and express our will... DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #52

This is why I don't think we are living in a democracy... tom-servo May 2016 #49

Go Bernie liberal from boston May 2016 #152

And take Ralph Nader with you wyldwolf May 2016 #159

And both anti-democratic as hell workinclasszero May 2016 #80

And both are directly relevant to this primary... tom-servo May 2016 #95

Here's why I still think the world is flat. YouDig May 2016 #28

That's cute... tom-servo May 2016 #32

Because I don't think the world is flat. And also I believe in democracy. YouDig May 2016 #33

So do I, we just aren't really living in one at the moment. tom-servo May 2016 #36

3 million more votes. 270 more elected delegates. The democratic will prevails. YouDig May 2016 #37

Sure, of course... will of the people. tom-servo May 2016 #40

Yes, and let's not forget that his national favorability ratings are far higher than hers Time for change May 2016 #62

Yes those are all also strong arguments...thanks. tom-servo May 2016 #70

It's really simple for me. . . Trump would be a disaster as President. Hillary won't beat him. pdsimdars May 2016 #65

So you want to disenfranchise the 13+ million voter that have clearly said no to BS? n/t SFnomad May 2016 #76

People who come in second place should not expect to win. hrmjustin May 2016 #96

That would make sense to me if it were a foot race. tom-servo May 2016 #101

So basically you think the will of the people means nothing because you like Sanders hrmjustin May 2016 #103

The poster could have tried to outwork you when you delivered NY for Hillary. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #112

Lol you give me too much credit. hrmjustin May 2016 #114

That's also a clever twist, but again not accurate tom-servo May 2016 #116

That is exactly what you are saying. hrmjustin May 2016 #119

I'm glad there are still believers. tom-servo May 2016 #128

So, why does Hillary think it's her turn after she came in 2nd in 2008? k8conant May 2016 #133

She said it was her turn? hrmjustin May 2016 #134

Why would your opinion about this matter more than the fact that BS lost in a democratic election? Squinch May 2016 #111

Well... it matters to me. tom-servo May 2016 #117

But he lost the primary. No one person's opinion matters more than the majority. The very large Squinch May 2016 #118

I think the democratic party disagrees... tom-servo May 2016 #124

Hillary is demolishing BS in the popular vote and the pledged delegate vote. Demolishing him. Squinch May 2016 #125

Because Situational Ethics. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #126

And Mom always got me a prize whether I won or not. Squinch May 2016 #127

He can get one in Philadelphia DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #129

That's not the one they want. And see, they are holding their breath till they turn blue Squinch May 2016 #132

I don't have a complicated relationship with super delegates... tom-servo May 2016 #130

Whatever dude. It's over and that's not going to happen. Have a nice day. Squinch May 2016 #131

You are arguing they overrule the voters. hrmjustin May 2016 #135

He knows. Doesn't care. He wants his opinion to override that. Because reasons. Squinch May 2016 #136

I would like a democracy... tom-servo May 2016 #147

You do realize Clinton supporters would stay home on election day if tthey steal the nomination hrmjustin May 2016 #149

I don't think so... tom-servo May 2016 #150

I would not vote for him if he steal the nomination and yes other HRC supporters would stay home. hrmjustin May 2016 #155

&1% of Sanders supporters say they would vote for Hillary. very hight percentage, and this lunamagica May 2016 #139

Will you be posting this kind of stuff long after November? barrow-wight May 2016 #144

What do you mean? tom-servo May 2016 #145

Millions were locked out of the primary process. onecaliberal May 2016 #151

by their own choices Fresh_Start May 2016 #158

I applaud your positive appeal for Bernie's candidacy, devoid of McCarthyist character assassination Bill USA May 2016 #156

Fortunately for the country, it's not up to you. n/t Lucinda May 2016 #164

I guess we can hope you're right about that if Clinton wins. tom-servo May 2016 #169

Here is why he won't Demsrule86 May 2016 #170

You do understand that math can't be used... tom-servo May 2016 #171