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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Here's why I still think Bernie Sanders should be the nominee... [View all]Bill USA
(6,436 posts)156. I applaud your positive appeal for Bernie's candidacy, devoid of McCarthyist character assassination
of Clinton.
I would like to point out one problem with the case you are making for Sanders. That is that Clinton has a much larger popular vote than Sanders. Real Clear Politics has the popular vote totals for the primaries at
12,989,134 for Clinton and 9,957,889 for Sanders. there are those who argue Bernie did better in caucus states. But even if you convert those caucus %s to popular votes, Clinton still comes out way ahead.
you said that Clinton -
"has struggled against a no-name, independent, democratic socialist mostly because he is being honest and unapologetic about fielding a platform that pretty much defines progressive goals."
I think you have discounted the effect of the two to three decade disinformation war on both Clintons - especially, the 8 Benghazi Political show trials of Hillary - for programming the thoughts and impressions of those who either can't or won't think critically for themselves. Unfortunately, this McCarthyist campaign against Clinton has been quite successful with the impressionable and easily lead. I think it's very obvious, that this campaign of innuendo and false claims of multitudinous nefarious activities (always implied never proven) has hurt Clinton. All this makes me wonder if Democracy can survive a Republican party totally opposed to government of, by and for the people when their is much money (and ersatz status) to be made from being whores for Corporate Feudalist system they are working to achieve with such large numbers of people who are so easily bamboozled.
But again, it is certainly a breath of fresh air to see a positive appeal for Bernie that is not based on character assassinations of Clinton and charges of hypothetical crimes she is supposed to have committed.
I applaud you for that.
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The primary was an ersatz job interview and 3,000,000 more of the interviewers gave her the job.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#15
This is even easier... Sure... Please remind me... If I win I will let you go double or nothing ...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#168
Bernie beat the spread! Doesn't that mean he deserves the nomination?! Or something!!?!
tritsofme
May 2016
#91
Her lead now is larger than Obama's lead in 2008. How big does it need to be?
Arkansas Granny
May 2016
#11
Then, what is your point? It appears to me that the SD's are aligning with primary results.
Arkansas Granny
May 2016
#18
Exactly. I like your OP, well written and to the point. Lack of exposure except
appalachiablue
May 2016
#115
If after decades in congress, SBS is not "known" by the SDs, well, he has a big problem
lunamagica
May 2016
#142
Much more? She's millions of votes and hundreds of PDs ahead. She's way, way more ahead
lunamagica
May 2016
#140
They should rethink what exactly? The majority vote of democrats? Really?
workinclasszero
May 2016
#93
Bernie Sanders supporters should at the very least try to affect the platform...
tom-servo
May 2016
#113
I consider Hillary's campaign to be one dirty trick after another and so will her Presidency be one
Todays_Illusion
May 2016
#87
Yeah, she stole data from her opponent, her supporters impersonated union members...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#89
Impressive, 3 unrelated posts and one that contratdicts the talking point lie.
Todays_Illusion
May 2016
#98
I cited data pilfering, campaign finance irregularities, impersonating union members, and ...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#100
you are denying what your own link said about the data theft lie. FALSE
Todays_Illusion
May 2016
#104
I think maybe you have been asleep in the back seat if you think all that is true.
pangaia
May 2016
#54
we should let the primary play out as fairly and trasnparently democratic-ly as possible.
Hiraeth
May 2016
#8
The race is not close. Hillary has won a clear majority of votes, delegates and super delegates.
Arkansas Granny
May 2016
#14
She win winning the popular vote 57-43. That's not a weak majority. That's a blow out.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#26
So she is winning by 11% in pledged delegates. Does that seem close to you?
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#57
Gets the most votes in the general election...this is still just party candidate selection.
tom-servo
May 2016
#68
And in party elections it is customary for the nominee who has garnered the most votes.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#71
Not as upset as the faction that has 3,00,000 more votes would be if it was stolen from them.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#73
Here's why I still think the Carolina Panthers should be this year's Super Bowl champs
wyldwolf
May 2016
#13
of course now. Hillary has won the most votes, the most states and the most delegates
wyldwolf
May 2016
#23
The person with the most votes gets to represent us and express our will...
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#52
Yes, and let's not forget that his national favorability ratings are far higher than hers
Time for change
May 2016
#62
It's really simple for me. . . Trump would be a disaster as President. Hillary won't beat him.
pdsimdars
May 2016
#65
So you want to disenfranchise the 13+ million voter that have clearly said no to BS? n/t
SFnomad
May 2016
#76
So basically you think the will of the people means nothing because you like Sanders
hrmjustin
May 2016
#103
The poster could have tried to outwork you when you delivered NY for Hillary.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2016
#112
Why would your opinion about this matter more than the fact that BS lost in a democratic election?
Squinch
May 2016
#111
But he lost the primary. No one person's opinion matters more than the majority. The very large
Squinch
May 2016
#118
Hillary is demolishing BS in the popular vote and the pledged delegate vote. Demolishing him.
Squinch
May 2016
#125
That's not the one they want. And see, they are holding their breath till they turn blue
Squinch
May 2016
#132
He knows. Doesn't care. He wants his opinion to override that. Because reasons.
Squinch
May 2016
#136
You do realize Clinton supporters would stay home on election day if tthey steal the nomination
hrmjustin
May 2016
#149
I would not vote for him if he steal the nomination and yes other HRC supporters would stay home.
hrmjustin
May 2016
#155
&1% of Sanders supporters say they would vote for Hillary. very hight percentage, and this
lunamagica
May 2016
#139