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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: When swiftboating is more important than democracy itself. [View all]seabeyond
(110,159 posts)44. Democracy wasn't squashed but by the mob.
* Based on the county convention results, Bernie Sanders had 2,124 delegate slots to the State Convention and Hillary Clinton had 1,722 delegate slots to the State Convention.
* On Saturday at the State Convention, after all of the alternates were seated, Hillary Clinton filled 1,695 of her delegate slots and Bernie Sanders only filled 1,662 at the State Convention giving Clinton a 33-delegate margin of victory.
* Clinton only had 27 delegate positions vacant on Saturday. Sanders left 462 vacant. Clinton filled 98 percent of her available delegate slots at the State Convention, and Sanders only filled 78 percent of his available delegate slots.
* In plain terms, the Clinton campaign organized and got nearly all of their delegates to the State Convention. The Sanders campaign did not.
On the false and wildly inaccurate accusations that there were 64 potential Sanders delegates in question who were denied by the State Conventions Credentials Committee on Saturday:
* Six of the 64 potential delegates were seated as delegates after investigation.
* The remaining potential delegates were ineligible for two main reasons: 1) They were not registered Democratic voters in Nevada by May 1, 2016, and 2) Their information such as address, date of birth and name could not be found or identified, and they did not respond to requests from the party and campaigns to correct it.
* Only eight of the ineligible delegates even attempted to register at the State Convention.
* The so-called minority report about these ineligible delegates was not written by the Credentials Committee it was written by national Sanders campaign staff on site. A member of Sanders National Delegate Operations Team drafted and arranged for a member of that committee to attempt to deliver an incendiary report that caused chaos and violence at the convention. It was inaccurate, misleading and subsequently discredited by the Credentials Committee.
* The Credentials Committee, the panel that made decisions on these issues, was co-chaired by supporters of both campaigns and the membership of the committee was also equally divided between supporters of both campaigns. This was done to ensure that the entire process was fair, transparent and accountable for both campaigns and their supporters. The committee worked diligently and cooperatively all day, under incredibly trying circumstances, to be fair and impartial in its work.
* On Saturday at the State Convention, after all of the alternates were seated, Hillary Clinton filled 1,695 of her delegate slots and Bernie Sanders only filled 1,662 at the State Convention giving Clinton a 33-delegate margin of victory.
* Clinton only had 27 delegate positions vacant on Saturday. Sanders left 462 vacant. Clinton filled 98 percent of her available delegate slots at the State Convention, and Sanders only filled 78 percent of his available delegate slots.
* In plain terms, the Clinton campaign organized and got nearly all of their delegates to the State Convention. The Sanders campaign did not.
On the false and wildly inaccurate accusations that there were 64 potential Sanders delegates in question who were denied by the State Conventions Credentials Committee on Saturday:
* Six of the 64 potential delegates were seated as delegates after investigation.
* The remaining potential delegates were ineligible for two main reasons: 1) They were not registered Democratic voters in Nevada by May 1, 2016, and 2) Their information such as address, date of birth and name could not be found or identified, and they did not respond to requests from the party and campaigns to correct it.
* Only eight of the ineligible delegates even attempted to register at the State Convention.
* The so-called minority report about these ineligible delegates was not written by the Credentials Committee it was written by national Sanders campaign staff on site. A member of Sanders National Delegate Operations Team drafted and arranged for a member of that committee to attempt to deliver an incendiary report that caused chaos and violence at the convention. It was inaccurate, misleading and subsequently discredited by the Credentials Committee.
* The Credentials Committee, the panel that made decisions on these issues, was co-chaired by supporters of both campaigns and the membership of the committee was also equally divided between supporters of both campaigns. This was done to ensure that the entire process was fair, transparent and accountable for both campaigns and their supporters. The committee worked diligently and cooperatively all day, under incredibly trying circumstances, to be fair and impartial in its work.
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That's okay. It's actually great to have Hillary fans swarm an OP and prove its point so well.
cui bono
May 2016
#25
I saw the video for the first time today. I would have walked out. I would not expect a mob of young
seabeyond
May 2016
#2
I do not know what your point was, I only listened to couple paragraphs dismissing.
seabeyond
May 2016
#10
I commented on what I read. That your minimizing and dismissing was at the start, isn't my problem.
seabeyond
May 2016
#15
I saw the video of men angrily pushing against the metal retainer. Yes, the yelling and anger,
seabeyond
May 2016
#64
Yes Scoot, ONE man hit a woman. Wrong. Everything about it is wrong. He was arrested and charged.
seabeyond
May 2016
#81
Really? Just really? I'm going to save this for my psych class to see. nt
anotherproletariat
May 2016
#5
All this time I hadnt seen the video until today. It was mucheorse than i expected. What person,
seabeyond
May 2016
#36
I am saying that most of us are not experienced in fights and most of us cannot take on young men
seabeyond
May 2016
#55
Isn't it? These people are either unbelievable or members of some sort of cult. nt
anotherproletariat
May 2016
#27
Okay, let's say that's true. What do you think about the squashing of democracy?
cui bono
May 2016
#22
Fair enough, let's take that down a notch. So what do you think about the squashing of democracy?
cui bono
May 2016
#42
Ya... we can see a mob throw a fit of intimidation and aggression toward a lot of people.
seabeyond
May 2016
#46
What happened in NV was course correction; Sander fans tried to seat non-Democratic delegates
Tarc
May 2016
#48
Sanders is not going to be the nominee because he hasn't won enough votes or delegates.
riversedge
May 2016
#51
As long as we all make money for Wall Street, it will trickle down to us from whence it came.
silvershadow
May 2016
#76
Maybe we should get flood insurance then because there's a lot stored up so when the dam breaks
cui bono
May 2016
#77
I agree it is disturbing to watch the HC supporters spin and cover for the obvious problems with
Todays_Illusion
May 2016
#78