2016 Postmortem

kaleckim

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30. No

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:09 AM

May 2016

it isn't rocket science, but it is more complex than your thought process. YOU might support her for the reasons you stated, free country. That doesn't mean that the situation with the general public, given her horrific polling, is as simplistic. Real wages haven't grown for most in over a generation, explosion in inequality, crumbling infrastructure, total abandonment of the poor, explosion in private debt, and she has no answer to any of that. That's an issue, and should be a damn issue. Trump is horrible, but the public doesn't like her any more than they do Trump. You all have to step outside your mental and ideological bubble and try to be honest with yourselves about why people are at this point. Study the macroeconomic data and look at what is coming for us ecologically. That isn't rocket science either, if you have the guts to face that reality and to be honest with yourself.

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Berners threatening to avenge his primary loss by voting Trump or third party. [View all] YouDig May 2016 OP

Privilege firebrand80 May 2016 #1

The privilege kaleckim May 2016 #14

Privilege is deliberately trying to blow an election in a childish snit because your guy lost Ohioblue22 May 2016 #45

You deserve to lose kaleckim May 2016 #50

Just Keep kicking and screaming Ohioblue22 May 2016 #53

You mean the media that Bill Clinton helped turn into a joke through his "Telecommunications Act"? highprincipleswork May 2016 #78

The media hasn't gone after him?! kaleckim May 2016 #122

That was about what happened in Nevada they haven't started in on Bernie. Anda few days on one event Ohioblue22 May 2016 #125

... kaleckim May 2016 #134

I agree with you totally kaleckim ^^^ THIS ^^^ n/t davidlynch May 2016 #112

What part of "We don't like her policies and the corruption," don't you get? Fawke Em May 2016 #87

Notice they never respond? They've got nothing /nt trudyco May 2016 #110

Yeah some of us work for a living and can't spend the day answering questions Ohioblue22 May 2016 #121

The part I dont get is you dont the like Clinton's policies but apparently trump's are OK Ohioblue22 May 2016 #120

+100000 J_J_ May 2016 #56

LOL. No. Fawke Em May 2016 #84

That word you keep using... nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #118

"threatening to avenge his primary loss" LOL! Let's use the most loaded words we can. merrily May 2016 #2

How about voting for Clinton so Trump doesn't win? brush May 2016 #10

No Meteor Man May 2016 #17

Man of few words, huh? Care to explain? brush May 2016 #26

"I made a mistake" I made a mistake, I made a mistake...that's what hurts. bahrbearian May 2016 #32

No. Jester Messiah May 2016 #70

This! Fawke Em May 2016 #89

I don't control how others vote, but I assume that those merrily May 2016 #133

Disagree with me how? Not voting for her so Trump wins? Is that what you mean? brush May 2016 #135

You would have to ask them. I just think it's a safe assumption on my part that merrily May 2016 #136

EXACTLY!!! KPN May 2016 #63

I think their anger influences them more than their values. LonePirate May 2016 #95

Actually, more of us will probably not bother to vote SheilaT May 2016 #3

Ahhh . . . why not just vote for Clinton to insure Trump doesn't win? brush May 2016 #8

Why not pretend we have a democracy kaleckim May 2016 #15

You don't support Clinton. Ok. I don't support Sanders, but I will . . . brush May 2016 #24

No kaleckim May 2016 #30

All those words, but it's still a no-brainer to sensible people . . . brush May 2016 #37

Politics ain't your thing kaleckim May 2016 #39

And good sense is not yours brush May 2016 #41

Says the person kaleckim May 2016 #47

Seems to me that Bernie supporters in general are very "sensible" people ... KPN May 2016 #65

I sense you're sensible Sanders supporter? So that means you're going . . . brush May 2016 #75

Hillary is just as bad as Trump. Fawke Em May 2016 #92

Sensible kaleckim May 2016 #124

They don't withhold their vote so a canival barker wins either brush May 2016 #138

The email server isn't a right-wing investigation. It's serious. Fawke Em May 2016 #141

You honestly aren't kaleckim May 2016 #145

Oh great. Ad hominem insults will get you everywhere. brush May 2016 #146

+1000!! KPN May 2016 #64

They don't care if Trump wins. Don't you get it? nt hack89 May 2016 #33

I get it. Just don't get the thought process, or lack thereof. brush May 2016 #44

Because they have elevated Sanders so highly LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #81

Low information voters think Clinton is better. Fawke Em May 2016 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author NowSam May 2016 #60

Ok. That's your position. Fortunately most Sanders supporter don't feel that way. brush May 2016 #62

Then no need to worry. n/t Contrary1 May 2016 #71

Did you not read this sentence? Fawke Em May 2016 #91

So you're go with the more "evil" one. Gotcha! brush May 2016 #117

I'm going with "not evil." Period. Fawke Em May 2016 #139

Because I think Hillary will also be a disaster for this country, SheilaT May 2016 #115

Surely if Bernie Sanders stands for anything it's not voting! oberliner May 2016 #132

It will not happen, Sanders will not get the nomination. gordianot May 2016 #4

Funny how you use the word "avenge"... seekthetruth May 2016 #5

Why not just vote for Clinton to insure Trump doesn't win? brush May 2016 #7

Because we're fucked with Hilary as well... seekthetruth May 2016 #34

Ahhh, come on. It's not that bad. Hillary will at least use lubricant. brush May 2016 #46

Now that is funny! seekthetruth May 2016 #137

It might surprise you, as I could be there brush May 2016 #140

Baggage? seekthetruth May 2016 #142

There's more than his Marxist/ . . . brush May 2016 #144

Why not just shoot myself in the gut to ensure my enemies don't shoot me in the face? VulgarPoet May 2016 #102

.... rateyes May 2016 #6

Jayzus, 6 weeks, 4 hides and over 1250 posts!,These April newbies have an amazing amt of time Arazi May 2016 #23

If I didn't know better, I would think they are doing rateyes May 2016 #49

This is one of the more prolific Brockboys. frylock May 2016 #57

Careful. VulgarPoet May 2016 #103

You're going to wear out your crystal ball. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #9

Those are not real supporters Andy823 May 2016 #11

Agree!!! There was also an earlier post yesterday or day before about targeting DU as fake RKP5637 May 2016 #31

You're replying to a paid troll ffs. frylock May 2016 #59

Not a one of us regular BoBers on this board are Paul fans. Fawke Em May 2016 #97

+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #100

Any Dem who votes for Trump is a fool jzodda May 2016 #12

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #19

Are you saying its ok to vote for Trump? jzodda May 2016 #38

Any Dem who votes for *either* is a fool, in my opinion. VulgarPoet May 2016 #106

At this point, I'm worried about Trump becoming President. Dawgs May 2016 #13

By the way kaleckim May 2016 #16

+1000! n/t Chan790 May 2016 #43

Such Berners were neither Liberals nor Democrats. MohRokTah May 2016 #18

Nice Dreamscape Meteor Man May 2016 #20

Yeah kaleckim May 2016 #42

Mock it for the absurdity it is. n/t Chan790 May 2016 #61

Use this one simple phrase for people who say "they're clearly just libertarians". VulgarPoet May 2016 #108

True kaleckim May 2016 #123

In my state, that Bernie won, the SD's are going to "snub" the voters and vote for Clinton. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #21

It is going to go the same way it did in 2008 when for example boston bean May 2016 #52

Exactly. When does the demoratic part of Demoratic Party kick in? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #73

You don't change rules in the middle of the election. boston bean May 2016 #94

Why not? If it's the right thing to do. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #96

Tell that to Roberta Lange.... Fawke Em May 2016 #99

An ultra right Supreme Court will bite them all in the ass for decades. oasis May 2016 #22

And that is exactly what will happen. Trump has said as much, if one can ever believe RKP5637 May 2016 #34

You are such a constructive and positive new contributing voice on DU. morningfog May 2016 #25

Worse yet, some DUers are falling for this story. Orsino May 2016 #27

It's not a coincidence that Trump is now quoting Sanders in criticising Hillary. procon May 2016 #28

Clinton never had my vote. basselope May 2016 #29

Sour grapes...egos overriding what's good for america beachbumbob May 2016 #36

If you think Hillary is "what's good for America" Jester Messiah May 2016 #72

+1 VulgarPoet May 2016 #109

There is no expectation that it will get Bernie the nomination. Chan790 May 2016 #40

Gee, I like both (a) and (b)! KPN May 2016 #69

on b) Cosmocat May 2016 #76

All it does is verify what everyone thinks about the radical Sanders supporters. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #48

Stop with the manufactured outrage katsy May 2016 #51

Booyah! KPN May 2016 #67

Many, MANY people will NOT vote for Hillary Clinton... She is the problem not the solution. AzDar May 2016 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #68

Is this happening in your little fantasy world? frylock May 2016 #55

Protest votes are like political masturbation JohnnyRingo May 2016 #58

Ultimately, the large majority of Berners will vote for Hillary or sit out the election. kstewart33 May 2016 #66

It doesn't feel good. It's just that voting for that condescending piece of millennial-bashing Betty Karlson May 2016 #74

This. VulgarPoet May 2016 #111

prophesy thy rage! Betty Karlson May 2016 #116

Those people who would either sit on their hands or vote third party, Beacool May 2016 #77

it becomes a problem in a close election when 3-5% of the left withold their vote JCMach1 May 2016 #79

Good try. If the choices are suckier and even suckier, then none-of-the-above is a reasonable choice GoneFishin May 2016 #80

I don't. vote against candidates. 99Forever May 2016 #82

i think thrump supporters have been voting for bernie all along. n/t. okieinpain May 2016 #83

news article. okieinpain May 2016 #85

Rich White Privilege imagine2015 May 2016 #86

It's none of your business who Sanders' supporters vote for, your brow-beating notwithstanding. AtomicKitten May 2016 #88

A threat? I actually think most Sanders voters will do one of four things. EndElectoral May 2016 #90

You seriously GulfCoast66 May 2016 #105

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #98

Those who vote for Trump because Bernie lost are... Mike Nelson May 2016 #101

Has anyone called you on your fake outrage or called you a drama queen? B Calm May 2016 #104

Of course not, that's racist/sexist/ableist/insert "ist" of the day. VulgarPoet May 2016 #113

bless their pointy little heads Sheepshank May 2016 #107

What a crock of excrement. hobbit709 May 2016 #114

No we're not. Many of us will write in Bernie. Fly by night May 2016 #119

Empty rhetoric in the heat of passion. no_hypocrisy May 2016 #126

Which proved my point RandySF May 2016 #127

Here's what Mrs. Clinton's appointee to the platform committee thinks of healthcare rights Doctor_J May 2016 #128

Wow, she made a joke about the NYT paywall! Terrible!!! YouDig May 2016 #129

I do not know a single traditional "Berner" threatening to vote for Trump democrattotheend May 2016 #130

WTF evah. Kick 'em to the curb. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #131

I guess we are all required by law to vote for Clinton Sky Masterson May 2016 #143