2016 Postmortem

seekthetruth

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136. Not convinced.

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:46 PM

Jun 2016

If there had been a lack of public opinion concerning the question of going to war, and there wasn't mass protest, then sure, she could use the excuse that she was given bum information by the Bush administration. All of her statements basically ignore the context of the entire debate.

Also, wasn't the Bush administration telling everyone that Saddam played a hand in 9/11, and an attack by Iraq was imminent via terrorist attack? At the time, most people weren't buying it.

As a result of her, and others, support we now have Isis and millions of innocent Iraqis and our sons and daughters either dead or injured.

Sorry, if you're running for president you can't just use the excuse "they told me so" and then claim ignorance.

A bullshit excuse, and crappy judgement.

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For my part in trying to help unity I am making a resolution [View all] bravenak Jun 2016 OP

It's not about who's gross... seekthetruth Jun 2016 #1

So would you agree with the following BootinUp Jun 2016 #3

No. seekthetruth Jun 2016 #6

Its tougher variation of trust but verify. I was more interested in your take BootinUp Jun 2016 #8

What gets old ? seekthetruth Jun 2016 #71

There is a leftie meme about the IWR vote that ignores Bush's lying BootinUp Jun 2016 #74

So you're saying that all of the innocent lives lost since we invaded Iraq... seekthetruth Jun 2016 #79

Just read the rebuttal material, or ignore it. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #82

Try answering the damned question Miles Archer Jun 2016 #218

No, I won't answer that ridiculous question. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #219

So I watched her foreign policy speech today..... seekthetruth Jun 2016 #230

Not convinced. seekthetruth Jun 2016 #136

You gotta have your standards. I assume you did not vote Kerry in '04 BootinUp Jun 2016 #137

I think Biden would be a great deal better than Clinton. seekthetruth Jun 2016 #138

I have taken on posters on the half truths and lies meme before BootinUp Jun 2016 #139

So it's like Reagan on steroids? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #150

Different foreign country, different situation. What is YOUR Iran policy? BootinUp Jun 2016 #151

Different foreign country, different situation, to the right of Reagan AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #152

Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the Right. Bye. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #153

Hillary to the right of Reagan AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #156

you don't know WHAT she will do MFM008 Jun 2016 #10

You're right.... seekthetruth Jun 2016 #76

Additionally, I recommend you listen to her speech tomorrow BootinUp Jun 2016 #12

I was just referring to her statement. seekthetruth Jun 2016 #72

I'll definitely listen to what she has to say. If it remotely pertains to American exceptionalism.. seekthetruth Jun 2016 #73

We're sure you can. barrow-wight Jun 2016 #16

Thank you seekthetruth, I agree. saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #53

Hillary Clinton has some of the best policies for the protection of voting rights out there Gothmog Jun 2016 #194

is the center bad, i'm not a big fan of the far right or left. n/t. okieinpain Jun 2016 #155

The so called "center" has been redefined as now equaling Republicon lite. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #212

those center conditions don't look right to me. are you sure about those. okieinpain Jun 2016 #216

The positions I listed are positions of the Left. Do you disagree with rhett o rick Jun 2016 #217

Trump is pretty gross. And terrifying. Stupid. Brutal. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #2

I never knew how terrible he was bravenak Jun 2016 #7

You were not listening, you were busy delivering a narrative of your own agenda. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #69

What agenda would that be? ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #121

You are never on topic bravenak Jun 2016 #146

bravenak, thanks for trying, but the anger and frustration is boiling. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #157

I agree bravenak Jun 2016 #160

I also agree Gothmog Jun 2016 #195

Now you went and gave them the vapors! AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #154

Better late than never. SusanCalvin Jun 2016 #141

Yes, you did skepticscott Jun 2016 #167

He made up his whole persona bravenak Jun 2016 #168

And that matters...why? skepticscott Jun 2016 #169

So confrontational bravenak Jun 2016 #170

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #172

Blah blah blah anger anger hate hate blah blah blah. So BORING. bravenak Jun 2016 #173

Don't flatter yourself skepticscott Jun 2016 #174

You seem to pay me A LOT of attention bravenak Jun 2016 #175

A lot? Another of your lies skepticscott Jun 2016 #176

Here you are, still paying me unnecessary attention bravenak Jun 2016 #177

Whoa!!! Easy there...... kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #178

Thank you. I noticed that you already started this. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #4

It's hard not to get sucked in to some of these ops bravenak Jun 2016 #9

That's a nice gesture. I will try to be kinder, except when people post RW crap.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #14

Nice gesture! Kinda like sig-line strip poker, lol. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #15

I'll make a resolution as well TSIAS Jun 2016 #5

Clinton supporters haven't been called much nicer names. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #180

I ahve no idea why someone would want to do that to fellow members of a board ever. hollysmom Jun 2016 #11

I think we were ALL being unreasonable and many still are bravenak Jun 2016 #13

Baloney. merrily Jun 2016 #20

I like to think I wasn't. I was trying, anyway. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2016 #142

Can you can the self-righteous act please? barrow-wight Jun 2016 #17

Have you heard of confirmation bias? Jim Lane Jun 2016 #39

This is very important--probably deserves its own OP... davidlynch Jun 2016 #50

I don't think it applies here. barrow-wight Jun 2016 #111

and I called it out, as did a very few Clinton supporters very very few hollysmom Jun 2016 #116

Oy vey ... n/t ebayfool Jun 2016 #18

That about covers it. bvf Jun 2016 #27

I see what you did there. frylock Jun 2016 #81

... SMC22307 Jun 2016 #206

I can respect the fact you are trying to cool the flames DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #19

I can respect that bravenak Jun 2016 #21

Thanks for keeping it classy though. DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #34

I appreciate your confession that your criticisms of Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #22

Some were. Not all. bravenak Jun 2016 #23

I can confirm, especially early on, that many were quite reasonable. SusanCalvin Jun 2016 #143

You're being too kind. bvf Jun 2016 #25

Flash forward a day or two melman Jun 2016 #24

I know how to calm the hell down. bravenak Jun 2016 #26

Don't let yourself be goaded. You're doing well. Hekate Jun 2016 #107

"I will no longer write any ops that are unreasonably critical" Android3.14 Jun 2016 #28

ok, that was cheap DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #35

Believe what you want Android3.14 Jun 2016 #45

"so called Victims"? DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #103

Don't be obtuse Android3.14 Jun 2016 #158

Classy and mature Happyhippychick Jun 2016 #29

Probably the best option since Bernie has little shot at nomination bigwillq Jun 2016 #30

I am making a resolution also Autumn Jun 2016 #31

Lovely. ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #122

Yes, it certainly was lovely. Autumn Jun 2016 #182

Lovey. frylock Jun 2016 #223

The primary is over. Has been since March. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #32

'I understand that people are feeling angry or upset with the changes coming up'... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #33

14 days and counting MoonRiver Jun 2016 #36

no more recommending OPs with Neo-Nazi websites? angrychair Jun 2016 #37

Nothing, absolutely nothing can be as heinous as this BSer post Sheepshank Jun 2016 #68

See, you have exposed the actual issue angrychair Jun 2016 #120

There is zero value redeeming value in the opinion and conspiracy theories of a Nazi website ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #124

Again, the real issue with many here is exposed angrychair Jun 2016 #129

Egads. That should be on a porno site.... kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #184

I will not forget or forgive your hate nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #38

Wow. You really have some nerve calling others bullies. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #40

Wow, you want to alert again nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #42

That wasn't my alert that got you the hide for your hateful words against me yesterday. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #48

It is not hate... I was telling you exactly how I feel about you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #54

They were hateful words. You don't say "I could not care less if you live or die" and not be hateful PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #57

Given the hate levied at me (off site) nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #62

None of that was me so stop implying it was. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #64

Semantic chasm nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #67

I don't care if you hate me, I request you stop using hateful words with me and others. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #78

I request you *stop telling me how to express how I feel;* nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #80

I kindly request you stop using hateful words discussing harm and death of DUers. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #83

I request you stop gaslighting nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #84

Get a grip, nadine. Reread my posts. I am calling for civility. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #90

And I am asking you to stop pretending that you can tell me how I feel nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #91

Never did. Now who is "gaslighting"? PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #98

I am not nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #99

Yes, civility. I apologized above and indicated I care about you as a human being. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #100

Please proceed to have the last word nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #101

Peace. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #102

Best last word ever! zappaman Jun 2016 #179

Results... Major Nikon Jun 2016 #209

They will try hard I know nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #210

YES. That's for sure. betsuni Jun 2016 #44

+1. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #43

I have, but after something really really live changing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #46

What's sad is I didn't even find out about it here or on DKos. I don't have an account there. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #49

The AA forum is amusing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #51

WTF betsuni Jun 2016 #55

I am not the only one thinking that nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #56

You posted something in General Discussion. betsuni Jun 2016 #61

Of course you missed it was part of a conversation I was having with another poster nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #63

You said you posted an article in GD on school segregation and the AA group couldn't betsuni Jun 2016 #87

YOu need to learn to read nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #94

Yikes! *slowly walks backwards out of the room, closes the door, runs like hell* betsuni Jun 2016 #95

That was not posted in the AA group? But slime them for ignoring it- if it makes you feel better. bettyellen Jun 2016 #88

You have no idea nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #92

If so, it's because you failed to make yourself clear... Do you really expect the members of the AA bettyellen Jun 2016 #96

Nope, it is standard nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #97

Maybe you should post in the AA group. zappaman Jun 2016 #131

LMAO nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #132

For once we agree! zappaman Jun 2016 #133

HILARIOUS nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #134

I swear I have never loved a subthread as much as this one. Number23 Jun 2016 #191

Right? zappaman Jun 2016 #207

"like every real policy issue, they give two fucks" ecstatic Jun 2016 #186

To me it is proof in pudding nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #188

Please, what is FSTDT? nt SusanCalvin Jun 2016 #144

Fundies Say the Darndest Things PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #147

Thanks. The things you find on teh intertubes.....! SusanCalvin Jun 2016 #148

"Fundies say the darnedest things". VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #211

If assume you forgave the BSer that provided this "lovely" hate spewage? Sheepshank Jun 2016 #86

YOu are assuming much nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #89

With all due respect, it's more for you and lightening your spirit that you do. Really. ancianita Jun 2016 #104

With all due respect nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #108

Then I hope you're among those historians. ancianita Jun 2016 #109

Oh I am taking notes nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #110

Wow GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #196

I do not let bullies nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #197

Oh and one last thing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #198

Whatever man GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #199

I have been hear for since the begining nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #201

Never mind GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #202

Right now watcing the Trump rally in San Jose go off the rails nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #203

Really? GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #204

We are actually press, and covered the rally here in San Diego nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #205

I just read thru this subthread thread, n. You yourself need to chill out in a big way. Hekate Jun 2016 #114

As I said, will not forgive or forget nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #117

Nor should you. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #119

"Your" party? What is your party?? kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #185

I have said since 2011 that I am one of those dreaded independent voters nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #187

You are not the only one. And I still expect a big reveal from her when Trump wins. n/t ieoeja Jun 2016 #220

... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #221

It's Friday! ieoeja Jun 2016 #222

Tito's Handmade, here. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #225

You're a good egg, bravenak. It can be difficult to be the grown-up, but you got this. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #41

Why should any poster at DU expect you to act honestly or in good faith? eom PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #47

I proudly stand with bravenak. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #52

Well said bravenak. William769 Jun 2016 #58

Yes, we know who the "enemy" is angrychair Jun 2016 #128

Gosh it must almost be that time when our votes matter again. Kentonio Jun 2016 #59

IF Clinton clinches the nomination (which I hope she won't) Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #60

Words are cheap and easy things. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #65

Well, sometimes we say things in anger Prism Jun 2016 #66

Well you were miffed, so what else would you do? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #70

That is why they ran out of copies nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #77

Who among us hasn't done that? QC Jun 2016 #93

Ffffsssssss. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #115

Totally understandable Capt. Obvious Jun 2016 #145

.. frylock Jun 2016 #224

No need to go that far! AlbertCat Jun 2016 #164

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #75

Kicking for the lulz frylock Jun 2016 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author SalviaBlue Jun 2016 #105

Heya, bravenak. Trump is scaring my FOX-watching BIL with his talk about rounding people up Hekate Jun 2016 #106

No offense, but I'll believe it when I see it. Vinca Jun 2016 #112

You really let your Freak Flag fly -- Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2016 #113

Exactly!!! haikugal Jun 2016 #181

bravenak...bravo! Peacetrain Jun 2016 #118

bravenak...bravo! AlbertCat Jun 2016 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #123

I love Bravenek ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #127

I'm trying to tone down the snark today, though it is tough with CA coming up. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #126

Hey, bravenak. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #130

Your credibility is toast. coyote Jun 2016 #135

Yeah, it's about time I started being on my best Sunday behavior Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #140

And pigs can fly AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #149

I don't believe you AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #159

I'm wonder if the site owners will show mercy to the repeat offenders that always disrupt this place Rex Jun 2016 #161

It seems like they are giving everyone a chance to cut it out bravenak Jun 2016 #162

Agree 100%. Rex Jun 2016 #163

They always have so far, QC Jun 2016 #171

Nicest Hillary supporter post this year! Rec! Logical Jun 2016 #165

Thank you, bravenak! brer cat Jun 2016 #166

At least you admit they were unreasonable. Gore1FL Jun 2016 #183

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #189

This thread is like diamonds. The folks whose opinions you probably give less than a shit about are Number23 Jun 2016 #192

I think I must have too many of them on ignore, but I can guess some names bravenak Jun 2016 #193

This thread is like diamonds. AlbertCat Jun 2016 #200

And no one knows "rank hypocracy and BS" better than you guys Number23 Jun 2016 #208

And no one knows "rank hypocracy and BS" better than you guys AlbertCat Jun 2016 #214

And especially from posters that are blocked from posting in forums. Especially from ones that Number23 Jun 2016 #231

LOL Capt. Obvious Jun 2016 #213

After June 7, I think it's a good idea for Clinton supporters to just do their geek tragedy Jun 2016 #215

Yep bravenak Jun 2016 #226

trash can feature in account settings is a blessing nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #227

I had put killer mike in there. Best move ever bravenak Jun 2016 #228

lol, appropriate, that nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #229