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2016 Postmortem

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BillZBubb

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28. Good point. How does choosing between two evils offer an opportunity to do good?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jun 2016

The only outcome is "less worse". And by voting for one of them, you are de facto endorsing that one no matter how unpalatable you find their character and positions.

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Hey! Maybe if we vote for Trump, things will get really bad... brooklynite Jun 2016 #1
The Susan Sarandon School of Political Science. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #5
She drove off that cliff on Thelma and Louise and that was all she wrote. barrow-wight Jun 2016 #31
Ive had this argument several times with people. Baobab Jun 2016 #39
Exactly Carolina Jun 2016 #44
.+1 840high Jun 2016 #78
I'm not sure they ought to take the money. grasswire Jun 2016 #130
I simply don't believe anyone who says they know a Bernie supporter who will vote for Trump. JimDandy Jun 2016 #115
Sorry, but I had 2 complete strangers zalinda Jun 2016 #123
What my post was implying is that they were never real Bernie supporters in the first place. JimDandy Jun 2016 #125
exactly still_one Jun 2016 #132
chaos in the Middle East, such as we have thanks to HRC's regime change in Libya? amborin Jun 2016 #7
Exactly. We know we'll have more wars with Hillary. CanadaexPat Jun 2016 #30
I won't vote for Trump or other GOP or third party and may or may not vote for Hillary Clinton. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #119
DU is for people who vote for democratic party candidates, not advocates who want trump nt msongs Jun 2016 #2
I don't think Yves is posting here. Are you saying otherwise? What is her handle? JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #4
DU is for people who support democratic principles amborin Jun 2016 #6
And trump supports those? barrow-wight Jun 2016 #32
Statistically, a vote for Hillary in the Primary is a vote for Trump in the GE. Alex4Martinez Jun 2016 #67
Exactly amborin Jun 2016 #86
It's also for people who support progressive politics, which are at odds with Hillary Doctor_J Jun 2016 #19
Yup Baobab Jun 2016 #48
she's the antithesis of progressive politics amborin Jun 2016 #62
Interesting angrychair Jun 2016 #20
Read? Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #73
I mean seriously angrychair Jun 2016 #74
... Well, come on, where's the fast buck Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #77
Bernie is more of a real D/democrat Carolina Jun 2016 #45
I thought it was for people who believe unshakeably in democracy and democratic values Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #85
My vote is for democratic establishment.com. Nt azmom Jun 2016 #101
you're right, never even thought of that one. Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #107
You do know that that Skinner, or David Allen, owner of DU azmom Jun 2016 #110
I didn't know that. I wonder why he picked the wrong name, then. Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #114
My understanding is, that this place came to be because azmom Jun 2016 #116
the establishment is trickly-down, makes many feel a little safer so they let its Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #121
"They can no longer abuse progressives". But they tell us this is like any other election cyle... Skwmom Jun 2016 #3
I'm going to rec this but I am really surprised that she knows Bernie supporters who will vote Trump Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #8
I'm not surprised a bit. Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #87
Well, I am a member of Bernie or Bust and their is very little strategical talk about voting for Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #89
I still think Bernie is going to be President. Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #97
Good for you. I really don't think about it one way or another. A Brand New Congress Luminous Animal Jun 2016 #99
yes, that's the boat I want to keep sailing on.. find the wind, and stay with the wind. Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #108
I do too Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #127
It's hard for you to disagree with voting for Trump over Clinton? geek tragedy Jun 2016 #129
Ah, yes, burn it down to save it. One of the most useless, narcissistic concepts in modern politics TwilightZone Jun 2016 #9
It's the "if my hut's getting burnt down so is yours" Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #13
^^^This^^^ cliffordu Jun 2016 #37
Exactly. pacalo Jun 2016 #60
Done! azmom Jun 2016 #102
More like the abused partner rationalizing, "I have to keep taking this shit because I have Doctor_J Jun 2016 #49
The best alternative is to write-in Bernie if Hillary is the Dem candidate. As time passes there floriduck Jun 2016 #54
Why do we need change in the Democratic Party? bvar22 Jun 2016 #10
^== WOW! Great Job! IdaBriggs Jun 2016 #18
Yes indeed! Alex4Martinez Jun 2016 #61
Great job! azmom Jun 2016 #103
Good research Bvar22 trudyco Jun 2016 #25
Thank you. vintx Jun 2016 #27
Right on the mark. Agony Jun 2016 #36
Awesome! Should be its own OP. cliffordu Jun 2016 #38
K&R, double WOW, bvar22 Carolina Jun 2016 #46
We're not worthy! dchill Jun 2016 #55
yes, just a few of the reasons why the 99% has had it with being shafted amborin Jun 2016 #65
.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #79
Excellent post. deathrind Jun 2016 #109
Thank you this is wonderful work! Seeinghope Jun 2016 #111
Excellent post! Raster Jun 2016 #113
Thanks Bvar22. We need change in the Democratic party. Time is growing late eom. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #120
One thing I can promise you, I will Not vote for Trump. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #11
Me neither. Not in a million years. TransitJohn Jun 2016 #23
No doubt, Hillary has huge problems Jarqui Jun 2016 #12
Most important line for me pdsimdars Jun 2016 #14
And I can just hear trump now... vintx Jun 2016 #29
I imagine him blathering wildly for 4 years while the rest of the govt focuses on keeping him happy Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #91
...!100++++ 840high Jun 2016 #80
TPP, TTIP, horrible for workers, and for everyone who reads the fine print amborin Jun 2016 #88
+1 azmom Jun 2016 #104
The "smartest progressives" she knows are fucking morons. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #15
She isn't advicating voting for him, just explaining how many Democrats are so sick of the neolibera Baobab Jun 2016 #40
I didn't say she was advocating for him, just that her progressive friends are NOT smart. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #50
You think its wise to endorse the WTO scheme that seems to frame the US as having a huge debt to Baobab Jun 2016 #64
IS it "Their turn" ? (The developing countries) to have those jobs? Baobab Jun 2016 #69
I guess you know that's merely a subjective opinion, even if lots of people find it bewildering Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #96
So, to remain 'trapped' is smart? Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #75
Anyone who calls themselves liberals/progressives geek tragedy Jun 2016 #128
After over twenty years of DLC/Third Way/New Dem policy betrayals.... tokenlib Jun 2016 #83
If my readers are representative, Clinton and the Democratic Party are about to have a long-overdue Skwmom Jun 2016 #16
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #17
Look, Hillary can't make them love her if they won't. There is a song for this. So, vote your Jitter65 Jun 2016 #21
Bernie supporters are the same as ISIS? TransitJohn Jun 2016 #24
Yeah that is literally the kind of shit Rush Limbaugh pulls out of his ass. Agony Jun 2016 #34
Feel the unity. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2016 #56
Those that would vote for Trump, there's a fair argument there. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #133
Living in a bubble must be nice because if you haven't been aware of the degradation of the Seeinghope Jun 2016 #118
This ^^^ ybbor Jun 2016 #122
This is well-written and well thought-out, and it does reflect the thinking on Blue Meany Jun 2016 #22
Good point. How does choosing between two evils offer an opportunity to do good? BillZBubb Jun 2016 #28
drumpf s unknown? his slimy bizness has a slime trail. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #26
Oxymoron: smart progressive voting for Trump onenote Jun 2016 #33
Agreed. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #42
Another "people I know" anecdotal OpEd... Tarc Jun 2016 #35
Do you want a list of real-life people? Because I know many that will do exactly this. reformist2 Jun 2016 #41
Another "people I know" anecdotal DU Post... Tarc Jun 2016 #43
So do I. 840high Jun 2016 #81
I wouldn't trust it as far as I can throw it Tarc Jun 2016 #98
This person writes for Naked Capitalism Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #93
"Some of the Smartest Progressives" he knows sound dumb as f*ck if they would rather have Trump. Beacool Jun 2016 #47
That is RIDICULOUS MFM008 Jun 2016 #51
Sure tandot Jun 2016 #52
Some of the "smartest" progressives . . . madamesilverspurs Jun 2016 #53
it's what we've been saying for years... 2banon Jun 2016 #57
Correction: he's surrounded by stupid people Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #58
... Agschmid Jun 2016 #59
So jerry brown is NOT a progressive because he backs fracking, but somebody who votes for Trump alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #63
there's much more about Jerry Brown that's anti-progressive besides fracking amborin Jun 2016 #66
But somebody who votes for Trump might be a progressive? alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #70
Its out of his hands because of those damn back room deals, so hes covering the ass of the #$%&* Baobab Jun 2016 #71
Brown is cover -story creating for the dishonest Baobab Jun 2016 #72
Jesus Fucking Christ, 57 recs to vote Trump over Clinton. joshcryer Jun 2016 #68
A demonstration of profound Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #82
Yeah, OK. joshcryer Jun 2016 #95
The recs are not for Trump. They are for the article's explanation of how people feel @ the party .. ebayfool Jun 2016 #84
The article is full of shit. joshcryer Jun 2016 #94
In YOUR opinion. Others do not agree. But no response to the issue of conflating recs to... ebayfool Jun 2016 #100
No, the article is objectively wrong. joshcryer Jun 2016 #105
That's all you got out of that? ebayfool Jun 2016 #112
94 have decloaked thus far (jury results) geek tragedy Jun 2016 #134
No true "progressive" is going to vote for the racist Trump. I guess Berners are a different breed. Hoyt Jun 2016 #76
Pretty much Number23 Jun 2016 #124
She writes for naked Capitalism Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #90
It's a liberal blog about exploitation of workers and students. NT Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #131
Rec'd for the term "Vichy Left" dreamnightwind Jun 2016 #92
Gnawin' on it... Jack Bone Jun 2016 #106
Oh yay! Rightwing outlet Politico publishes opinion of lady from Goldman-Sachs struggle4progress Jun 2016 #117
No intelligent progressive would vote for Trump over Clinton geek tragedy Jun 2016 #126
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