2016 Postmortem

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46. I think you miss the point

Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:58 PM

Jun 2016

In 2008, Sanders expressly acknowledged that the party had chosen Obama as its nominee before the convention, before Clinton suspended, and even though Obama did not have a super majority of pledged delegates but needed a combination of pledged delegates and super delegate commitments to reach the nomination threshold.

Now he says it wrong to consider someone in that circumstance to be the nominee before the convention.

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NBC News: "In '08, Sanders Endorsed Obama - Before Clinton Formally Exited Race" [View all] George II Jun 2016 OP

Oh that silly history is being brought up. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1

I hope the media mentions this. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #2

So now Sanders is evil for supporting the likely Dem nominee in 08? Armstead Jun 2016 #30

Not evil. Just pointing out that he can't even follow his own logic. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #37

That makes zero sense. Sanders was not running AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #84

Got it. He can believe one thing when he's running, another when someone else is. #BernieEthics CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #88

No, he wasnt a candidate AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #98

It doesn't matter if he was a candidate. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #99

Irrelevent AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #100

It's totally relevant. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #109

Bull. If ethics don't apply all the time, they aren't ethics. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #111

So an endorsement of Sanders means you are the nominee? TimPlo Jun 2016 #112

We're asking Bernie to be a man if his word, since we keep being told he is. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #114

I don't think Sanders reads DU TimPlo Jun 2016 #115

It won't, but his fans can demand it of him. If they care about ethics. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #119

Where did I say he was evil? Be specific! hrmjustin Jun 2016 #41

That's the gist of this whole thread Armstead Jun 2016 #49

I don't think he is evil. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #56

Csn't disagree with you there Armstead Jun 2016 #106

You mean like saying Sanders showed of dropped out back in March? TimPlo Jun 2016 #113

Except the supers, of course. okasha Jun 2016 #92

It's about the hypocrisy. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #103

Well, that's inconvenient. n/t Orsino Jun 2016 #3

This is really having sanders look like a hypocritical clown beachbumbob Jun 2016 #4

Newsflash -- Bernie is EVIL because he endorsed the likely Democtrayic nominee in 2008! Armstead Jun 2016 #42

No the problem is how Bernie changed the metric between then and now beachbumbob Jun 2016 #48

He didn't change any metric. Armstead Jun 2016 #54

Lol...he endorsed Obama as soon as he was named presumptive nominee beachbumbob Jun 2016 #58

LOL I'm not embarrassed in the least Armstead Jun 2016 #62

Yes it does. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #64

Go ahead and obsess over it then Armstead Jun 2016 #75

She hasnt hit the number yet AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #86

Then you're not capable of embarrassment, apparently. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #105

Sanders was not a candidate then AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #85

hypocritical clown=EVIL ............ only in the convoluted recesses of your own mind. nt Sheepshank Jun 2016 #91

Also begs the question does sanders act this way because it's a female???? beachbumbob Jun 2016 #5

Definitely does treestar Jun 2016 #10

Sanders is toast beachbumbob Jun 2016 #19

What is there to reconcile? What's the problem? morningfog Jun 2016 #6

Are you serious? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #9

He isn't saying super delegates can't be counted, he is saying that super delegates can change until morningfog Jun 2016 #26

what he said was that he waited until the party had chosen its nominee before endorsing onenote Jun 2016 #38

Wait, was he a super delegate in 2008? Thought he only declared as a Dem this year bigbrother05 Jun 2016 #81

You're right. He wasn't. My mistake. morningfog Jun 2016 #82

Because now Bernie is running and feel entitled to the puffy socks Jun 2016 #7

Even then, he waited until all the primaries were over. (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2016 #8

He waited until Obama had a majority of PLEDGED delegates, which Clinton will have tomorrow night. George II Jun 2016 #12

yes, but he also waited until everyone in every state had the opportunity to vote. thesquanderer Jun 2016 #21

You can qualify it any way you want, won't change things. But... George II Jun 2016 #24

I'd say then that it will be a more valid criticism after the DC primary on the 14th. (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2016 #27

Not hardly. It was the same exact circumstances with delegates - supers and pledged. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #13

Except there were no more primaries yet to be held. thesquanderer Jun 2016 #16

No...he has made the argument super delegates don't count beachbumbob Jun 2016 #22

"not hardly"... Mmmmmm. boy. AzDar Jun 2016 #71

Get used to disappointment. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #76

Ahhhh, the irony. Beacool Jun 2016 #11

No surprise. Obama is more "LIBERAL." Herman4747 Jun 2016 #14

Hillary is generally considered slightly to the left of President Obama ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #18

Perhaps by you she is. But not by me. And... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #23

When given the choice between reality and your opinion of Hillary realmirage Jun 2016 #51

So you say, so you say. Herman4747 Jun 2016 #60

By who? the only thing I can think of is she was standing on his left in picture azurnoir Jun 2016 #124

K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #15

Well, Hillary is winning by a lot more than Obama. onehandle Jun 2016 #17

Couldn't find the time? ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #20

I don't recall Bernie demanding that Hillary drop out. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #25

I don't recall Hillary demanding that Bernie drop out. And the debt stuff is just a smokescreen.... George II Jun 2016 #28

Her supporters here certainly have, And since when is debt just a smokescreen? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #34

Clinton's debt in 2008 wasn't Sanders' reason for endorsing Obama. George II Jun 2016 #36

Nobody said it was. I am betting it was her lack of inegrity and he should have done it sooner. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #39

You asked what was different and why Bernie is still campaigning. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #40

I never asked why Bernie is still campaigning. Surrogates and supporters are NOT the candidate. George II Jun 2016 #45

Ok then the answer to your question is simple. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #55

But once Obama won a majority of pledged delegates, Sanders also said in 2008: George II Jun 2016 #63

Yes, from an standpoint of an independent endorser that was good enough. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #93

She does it through surrogates AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #87

+1 n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #29

Wow, he made a mistake. He should have endorsed Obama over Hillary right away. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #31

K&R sheshe2 Jun 2016 #32

Oh -- So now Bernie is BAD for supporting the likely Dem Nominee in 2008? Catch 22, eh? Armstead Jun 2016 #33

I think you miss the point onenote Jun 2016 #46

Sanders is done and he knows it. Cary Jun 2016 #35

K&R brer cat Jun 2016 #43

omg...love the kitty .gif Sheepshank Jun 2016 #50

The original brer cat brer cat Jun 2016 #73

well there's a little bit of irony... Sheepshank Jun 2016 #44

k&r DesertRat Jun 2016 #47

K&R. nt UtahLib Jun 2016 #52

Hypocrite realmirage Jun 2016 #53

Gee, What IS the difference...let me think about that a minute. I'll get back to you. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #57

There wasn't a white male carpenter running in '08. Nt NCTraveler Jun 2016 #59

The difference is Sanders wasn't a candidate at the time. People can endorse others at any time, as highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #61

He said he at the time he considered Obama "chosen" by the party..... bettyellen Jun 2016 #74

Why don't you just get your own candidate to stay true to her words that really do count? highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #77

Change the subject once you realize Bernie is talking out both sides of his mouth... bettyellen Jun 2016 #95

He's already hoping to get Progressive Democrats elected. Haven't you noticed? highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #96

I'll really be happy when people who support Hillary get their heads out of the gutter and highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #97

K&R FOR TRUTH! eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #65

"Do as I say, not as I do!" MADem Jun 2016 #66

Now there you go again, George! NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #67

K&R... BooScout Jun 2016 #68

Kick & highly Recommended! William769 Jun 2016 #69

Bernie is a liar in many ways... Sancho Jun 2016 #70

MSNBC just reported the 2008 timeline, INCLUDING when Sanders endorsed Obama! It's not going... George II Jun 2016 #72

kick rbrnmw Jun 2016 #78

And? 2008 is not 2016; Obama is not Hillary; Obama was not under investigation; an endorsement is merrily Jun 2016 #79

None of which has anything to do with whether superdelegates count before the convention. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #107

Odd. My reply was to the OP, a post about Sanders endorsing Obama in 2008. merrily Jun 2016 #122

That's what the whole thing is about. Whether superdelegates count before the convention or not. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #127

What part of the two situations are not comparable, let alone identical, are you not getting? merrily Jun 2016 #129

disappointing that bernie is showing a lot of hypocrisy MariaThinks Jun 2016 #80

So what? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #83

I think the situation is a little different mythology Jun 2016 #89

Difference is that he does whatever the hell he wants and tries to sound consistent...... Sheepshank Jun 2016 #90

Hmm, what could be different? mcar Jun 2016 #94

In all fairness, Clinton stayed in until all the states voted UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #101

She stayed on until Obama got more than half the pledged delegates. George II Jun 2016 #102

She stayed in until Obama clinched the nomination. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #108

Good point N/T UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #118

Mahalo, George! Cha Jun 2016 #104

Be lots of questions now..For sanders and his hypocrisy .... beachbumbob Jun 2016 #110

Was he a superdelegate in 2008? democrattotheend Jun 2016 #116

He said the party had chosen its nominee: George II Jun 2016 #117

Sanders wants a separate set of rules to appy to him Gothmog Jun 2016 #120

K&R. Considering Hillary and Obama were neck-in-neck in Pop vote, and way closer than Hillary and lunamagica Jun 2016 #121

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #123

If you can't see that this makes him a YUUGE hypocrite, then there's just no point explaining it. nt BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #125

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #126

His statement said that the party had its nominee. By saying that he included superdelegates. George II Jun 2016 #135

Obama was not under multiple investigations, not an insignificant fact. nt slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #128

It's over, why not just accept it? Unless of course you'd prefer Donald Trump? George II Jun 2016 #132

Remember, that was when Obama was against Costly Trade. grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #130

That makes a difference in the status of superdelegates? George II Jun 2016 #131

Makes a difference for endorsing a candidate. grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #133

I guess you missed the part of his statement in 2008, "the party has its nominee". That is.... George II Jun 2016 #134

I'm sure that Sanders will do the right thing. yardwork Jun 2016 #136