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NBC News: "In '08, Sanders Endorsed Obama - Before Clinton Formally Exited Race" [View all] George II Jun 2016 OP

Oh that silly history is being brought up. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1

I hope the media mentions this. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #2

So now Sanders is evil for supporting the likely Dem nominee in 08? Armstead Jun 2016 #30

Not evil. Just pointing out that he can't even follow his own logic. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #37

That makes zero sense. Sanders was not running AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #84

Got it. He can believe one thing when he's running, another when someone else is. #BernieEthics CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #88

No, he wasnt a candidate AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #98

It doesn't matter if he was a candidate. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #99

Irrelevent AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #100

It's totally relevant. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #109

Bull. If ethics don't apply all the time, they aren't ethics. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #111

So an endorsement of Sanders means you are the nominee? TimPlo Jun 2016 #112

We're asking Bernie to be a man if his word, since we keep being told he is. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #114

I don't think Sanders reads DU TimPlo Jun 2016 #115

It won't, but his fans can demand it of him. If they care about ethics. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #119

Where did I say he was evil? Be specific! hrmjustin Jun 2016 #41

That's the gist of this whole thread Armstead Jun 2016 #49

I don't think he is evil. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #56

Csn't disagree with you there Armstead Jun 2016 #106

You mean like saying Sanders showed of dropped out back in March? TimPlo Jun 2016 #113

Except the supers, of course. okasha Jun 2016 #92

It's about the hypocrisy. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #103

Well, that's inconvenient. n/t Orsino Jun 2016 #3

This is really having sanders look like a hypocritical clown beachbumbob Jun 2016 #4

Newsflash -- Bernie is EVIL because he endorsed the likely Democtrayic nominee in 2008! Armstead Jun 2016 #42

No the problem is how Bernie changed the metric between then and now beachbumbob Jun 2016 #48

He didn't change any metric. Armstead Jun 2016 #54

Lol...he endorsed Obama as soon as he was named presumptive nominee beachbumbob Jun 2016 #58

LOL I'm not embarrassed in the least Armstead Jun 2016 #62

Yes it does. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #64

Go ahead and obsess over it then Armstead Jun 2016 #75

She hasnt hit the number yet AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #86

Then you're not capable of embarrassment, apparently. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #105

Sanders was not a candidate then AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #85

hypocritical clown=EVIL ............ only in the convoluted recesses of your own mind. nt Sheepshank Jun 2016 #91

Also begs the question does sanders act this way because it's a female???? beachbumbob Jun 2016 #5

Definitely does treestar Jun 2016 #10

Sanders is toast beachbumbob Jun 2016 #19

What is there to reconcile? What's the problem? morningfog Jun 2016 #6

Are you serious? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #9

He isn't saying super delegates can't be counted, he is saying that super delegates can change until morningfog Jun 2016 #26

what he said was that he waited until the party had chosen its nominee before endorsing onenote Jun 2016 #38

Wait, was he a super delegate in 2008? Thought he only declared as a Dem this year bigbrother05 Jun 2016 #81

You're right. He wasn't. My mistake. morningfog Jun 2016 #82

Because now Bernie is running and feel entitled to the puffy socks Jun 2016 #7

Even then, he waited until all the primaries were over. (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2016 #8

He waited until Obama had a majority of PLEDGED delegates, which Clinton will have tomorrow night. George II Jun 2016 #12

yes, but he also waited until everyone in every state had the opportunity to vote. thesquanderer Jun 2016 #21

You can qualify it any way you want, won't change things. But... George II Jun 2016 #24

I'd say then that it will be a more valid criticism after the DC primary on the 14th. (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2016 #27

Not hardly. It was the same exact circumstances with delegates - supers and pledged. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #13

Except there were no more primaries yet to be held. thesquanderer Jun 2016 #16

No...he has made the argument super delegates don't count beachbumbob Jun 2016 #22

"not hardly"... Mmmmmm. boy. AzDar Jun 2016 #71

Get used to disappointment. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #76

Ahhhh, the irony. Beacool Jun 2016 #11

No surprise. Obama is more "LIBERAL." Herman4747 Jun 2016 #14

Hillary is generally considered slightly to the left of President Obama ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #18

Perhaps by you she is. But not by me. And... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #23

When given the choice between reality and your opinion of Hillary realmirage Jun 2016 #51

So you say, so you say. Herman4747 Jun 2016 #60

By who? the only thing I can think of is she was standing on his left in picture azurnoir Jun 2016 #124

K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #15

Well, Hillary is winning by a lot more than Obama. onehandle Jun 2016 #17

Couldn't find the time? ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #20

I don't recall Bernie demanding that Hillary drop out. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #25

I don't recall Hillary demanding that Bernie drop out. And the debt stuff is just a smokescreen.... George II Jun 2016 #28

Her supporters here certainly have, And since when is debt just a smokescreen? nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #34

Clinton's debt in 2008 wasn't Sanders' reason for endorsing Obama. George II Jun 2016 #36

Nobody said it was. I am betting it was her lack of inegrity and he should have done it sooner. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #39

You asked what was different and why Bernie is still campaigning. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #40

I never asked why Bernie is still campaigning. Surrogates and supporters are NOT the candidate. George II Jun 2016 #45

Ok then the answer to your question is simple. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #55

But once Obama won a majority of pledged delegates, Sanders also said in 2008: George II Jun 2016 #63

Yes, from an standpoint of an independent endorser that was good enough. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #93

She does it through surrogates AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #87

+1 n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #29

Wow, he made a mistake. He should have endorsed Obama over Hillary right away. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #31

K&R sheshe2 Jun 2016 #32

Oh -- So now Bernie is BAD for supporting the likely Dem Nominee in 2008? Catch 22, eh? Armstead Jun 2016 #33

I think you miss the point onenote Jun 2016 #46

Sanders is done and he knows it. Cary Jun 2016 #35

K&R brer cat Jun 2016 #43

omg...love the kitty .gif Sheepshank Jun 2016 #50

The original brer cat brer cat Jun 2016 #73

well there's a little bit of irony... Sheepshank Jun 2016 #44

k&r DesertRat Jun 2016 #47

K&R. nt UtahLib Jun 2016 #52

Hypocrite realmirage Jun 2016 #53

Gee, What IS the difference...let me think about that a minute. I'll get back to you. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #57

There wasn't a white male carpenter running in '08. Nt NCTraveler Jun 2016 #59

The difference is Sanders wasn't a candidate at the time. People can endorse others at any time, as highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #61

He said he at the time he considered Obama "chosen" by the party..... bettyellen Jun 2016 #74

Why don't you just get your own candidate to stay true to her words that really do count? highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #77

Change the subject once you realize Bernie is talking out both sides of his mouth... bettyellen Jun 2016 #95

He's already hoping to get Progressive Democrats elected. Haven't you noticed? highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #96

I'll really be happy when people who support Hillary get their heads out of the gutter and highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #97

K&R FOR TRUTH! eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #65

"Do as I say, not as I do!" MADem Jun 2016 #66

Now there you go again, George! NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #67

K&R... BooScout Jun 2016 #68

Kick & highly Recommended! William769 Jun 2016 #69

Bernie is a liar in many ways... Sancho Jun 2016 #70

MSNBC just reported the 2008 timeline, INCLUDING when Sanders endorsed Obama! It's not going... George II Jun 2016 #72

kick rbrnmw Jun 2016 #78

And? 2008 is not 2016; Obama is not Hillary; Obama was not under investigation; an endorsement is merrily Jun 2016 #79

None of which has anything to do with whether superdelegates count before the convention. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #107

Odd. My reply was to the OP, a post about Sanders endorsing Obama in 2008. merrily Jun 2016 #122

That's what the whole thing is about. Whether superdelegates count before the convention or not. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #127

What part of the two situations are not comparable, let alone identical, are you not getting? merrily Jun 2016 #129

disappointing that bernie is showing a lot of hypocrisy MariaThinks Jun 2016 #80

So what? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #83

I think the situation is a little different mythology Jun 2016 #89

Difference is that he does whatever the hell he wants and tries to sound consistent...... Sheepshank Jun 2016 #90

Hmm, what could be different? mcar Jun 2016 #94

In all fairness, Clinton stayed in until all the states voted UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #101

She stayed on until Obama got more than half the pledged delegates. George II Jun 2016 #102

She stayed in until Obama clinched the nomination. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #108

Good point N/T UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #118

Mahalo, George! Cha Jun 2016 #104

Be lots of questions now..For sanders and his hypocrisy .... beachbumbob Jun 2016 #110

Was he a superdelegate in 2008? democrattotheend Jun 2016 #116

He said the party had chosen its nominee: George II Jun 2016 #117

Sanders wants a separate set of rules to appy to him Gothmog Jun 2016 #120

K&R. Considering Hillary and Obama were neck-in-neck in Pop vote, and way closer than Hillary and lunamagica Jun 2016 #121

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #123

If you can't see that this makes him a YUUGE hypocrite, then there's just no point explaining it. nt BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #125

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #126

His statement said that the party had its nominee. By saying that he included superdelegates. George II Jun 2016 #135

Obama was not under multiple investigations, not an insignificant fact. nt slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #128

It's over, why not just accept it? Unless of course you'd prefer Donald Trump? George II Jun 2016 #132

Remember, that was when Obama was against Costly Trade. grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #130

That makes a difference in the status of superdelegates? George II Jun 2016 #131

Makes a difference for endorsing a candidate. grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #133

I guess you missed the part of his statement in 2008, "the party has its nominee". That is.... George II Jun 2016 #134

I'm sure that Sanders will do the right thing. yardwork Jun 2016 #136