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pnwmom

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61. "ONLY"?! He would have to get big wins EVERYWHERE, wins of 70% or more of
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:08 AM
Jun 2016

the delegates in New Jersey AND California AND New Mexico.

In this whole election, he's only won a SINGLE primary with 70% or more, and that was Vermont. All his big wins were in mostly white caucus states. So he might do really well in the Dakotas, but he's going to fail everywhere else.


http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-clinches-democratic-nomination-according-to-ap/

In fact, Clinton can still win an elected delegate majority provided that she wins just 215 of the remaining 714 pledged delegates available on Tuesday and in the District of Columbia’s primary next week, or 30 percent. Because Democratic delegate allocations are highly proportional to the vote share in each state, that means she’d need only about 30 percent of the vote. Thus, even if Sanders won every remaining contest 70-30 — by 40 percentage points — he’d still only roughly tie Clinton in pledged delegates and even then would very probably still trail her in the popular vote.

There are not many plausible arrangements under which Sanders would have become the Democratic nominee. He’s been aided by caucuses, which have much lower voter participation. He’d trail even if all states had open primaries, which are generally favorable to Sanders. If the Democratic race were contested under Republican rules, with no superdelegates but winner-take-all delegate allocations in states such as Florida and Ohio, Clinton would have clinched the nomination long ago. Clinton has won in those states where the turnout demographics most closely resemble those of the Democratic Party as a whole.

So it’s not just that Sanders can only win if a huge number of superdelegates flip their vote to him.2 He can win only if a huge number of superdelegates who have committed to Clinton flip their vote against her, despite her having won a clear majority of votes and elected delegates, thereby overturning the popular will.

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I live in California and I find it hard to believe that Sanders will win as many delegates Tal Vez May 2016 #1
Bernie and his supporters are hoping he will win more delegates than Clinton in California imagine2015 May 2016 #2
Hillary won CA in 2008 LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #4
Obama didn't have record unfavorables or an FBI investigation hanging over his head. frylock May 2016 #38
Good for her. This is 2016. dchill May 2016 #51
What Imagine2015 said! Betty Karlson May 2016 #27
But she'll already have the nomination by the time NJ finishes voting. pnwmom May 2016 #46
I expect a 45/55 split Retrograde May 2016 #5
Seems like you left this part out LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #3
It's not at all left out. Didn't you click on my link to read it? imagine2015 May 2016 #7
He has endorsed about 8-9 DOwn Ticket Progressive candidates Ferd Berfel May 2016 #12
I've long suspected the vote in CA will be reasonably close. Garrett78 May 2016 #6
I don't think Clinton or Bernie will have enough delegates to win the nomination. imagine2015 May 2016 #8
The person with the most pledged delegates always becomes the nominee. Garrett78 May 2016 #9
Right. Neither can cinch the nomination from pledged delegates. senz May 2016 #34
The Don is the presumptive nominee on the basis of his combined delegates. pnwmom May 2016 #47
46% non-white KingFlorez May 2016 #10
99% non-security-flouting lagomorph777 May 2016 #14
Didn't see this, KingFlorez? senz May 2016 #29
Clinton doesn't actually need California. Bernie could win every delegate in the state ucrdem May 2016 #11
*IF* Sanders were to end up with 2026 pledged delegates, the SDs should at least consider switching. Garrett78 May 2016 #15
2026 doesn't clinch except in #BernieMath. ucrdem May 2016 #16
I didn't say 2026 clinched. But the PD leader has always been nominated. Garrett78 May 2016 #18
If he wins every pledged delegate in CA he gets to 2011 total. And Clinton still wins. ucrdem May 2016 #19
If he wins ~67.5% of the remaining pledged delegates, he'd end up with 2026 pledged delegates. Garrett78 May 2016 #20
And he will have lost. How hard is that to grasp? nt ucrdem May 2016 #21
You're assuming SDs wouldn't switch if he were to win a majority of PDs. Garrett78 May 2016 #22
Yes, I'm also assuming the earth won't crash into the sun before July 25. nt ucrdem May 2016 #23
Since that's never happened and what I'm referring to has happened, poor analogy. Garrett78 May 2016 #24
The circumstances are completely different. SDs owe nothing to Sanders and at this point ucrdem May 2016 #25
WRONG. Clinton cannot reach 2383 pledged delegates senz May 2016 #31
It isn't impossible. It's just *highly* unlikely. Garrett78 May 2016 #33
2383 includes pledged and unpledged delegates. She doesn't need 2200 pledged to clinch or win. ucrdem May 2016 #39
Of course she doesn't. I was just predicting how many she'll end up with. Garrett78 May 2016 #41
She'll win a majority of pledged and superdelegates, and there's no doubt about how the convention ucrdem May 2016 #42
*sigh* ucrdem May 2016 #35
Facts are facts. senz May 2016 #36
Why are you treating fellow Democrats LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #43
Ye shall know them by their candidate. senz May 2016 #44
By that standard LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #45
The fact is that the total number of delegates includes the supers. Half of the pledged alone pnwmom May 2016 #50
She doesn't need to. That is half of the TOTAL delegates, INCLUDING SUPERS. pnwmom May 2016 #49
Well if she gets there it won't be until July 25. senz Jun 2016 #55
She's the presumptive nominee. And in July she'll win the convention, pnwmom Jun 2016 #56
"Presumptive nominee" is meaningless here. Hill is only ahead by 284 delegates. senz Jun 2016 #59
"ONLY"?! He would have to get big wins EVERYWHERE, wins of 70% or more of pnwmom Jun 2016 #61
The Metric for the winner Primary in a two-way race is who has the majority of delegates. LuvLoogie May 2016 #52
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The PPI poll has some obvious math errors. 538 is treating it as an outlier. TwilightZone May 2016 #13
You're right. Those are very strange numbers. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #57
That 2 point poll was questionable at best. Renew Deal May 2016 #17
Apparently it is. Sanders people are trying to have vote by mail ballots thrown out KingFlorez May 2016 #26
#Berniegohomealready ucrdem May 2016 #28
Wow!! They wanted to leave the party in a snit and make a big statement, R B Garr May 2016 #40
The NY Times.... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #30
Hill Folk are fighting this tooth and nail. They are afraid, as they should be. senz May 2016 #32
Gee, no shit? frylock May 2016 #37
Email issue trickling down...still it is a closed primary. snowy owl May 2016 #48
Kicked Amorka May 2016 #53
A big win for Sanders in CA would have wiped out Clinton's pledged delegate lead. senz Jun 2016 #58
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