2016 Postmortem

tonyt53

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152. "We no longer live in a democracy"? She has about 3 million more votes!

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:27 AM

Jun 2016

So, how democratic would it be to ignore the will of those voters and simply hand the nomination to Bernie? Oh, and us real Democrats like our process.

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I am so glad fucking Media IS DECIDING OUR ELECTIONS NOW. THEY COULDN'T WAIT A NITE. [View all] Armstead Jun 2016 OP

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #1

I might. Armstead Jun 2016 #4

Comcast did not release the data. It was the AP. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #2

They suck too. Armstead Jun 2016 #3

Actually it was the Associated Press who called it Greywing Jun 2016 #5

They all suck. It is disgraceful. Armstead Jun 2016 #7

It is actually undemocratic, IMHO. Duval Jun 2016 #76

Should the media have kept secret the results of all the primaries/caucuses going way back... George II Jun 2016 #167

Reporters report. It's always a horse race to get the latest info out there. randome Jun 2016 #6

It IS a big deal. Armstead Jun 2016 #12

Presumptive nominee is NOT a subjective opinion. It's based on math. randome Jun 2016 #149

Don't you mean presumptuous nominee? KPN Jun 2016 #157

That's getting old really quick. randome Jun 2016 #159

Is it? Sorry -- I hadn't seen it before. Had I, I would not KPN Jun 2016 #163

Seriously... democracy is DEAD!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #154

Yeah, and every year it gets worse. They break the rules and don't care. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #80

What First Amendment rules are they breaking? randome Jun 2016 #116

Anyone who doesn't see that the Democratic Party is rigged either KPN Jun 2016 #156

It's a big damned deal for those people babylonsister Jun 2016 #146

It would not have affected my determination to go to a polling place and vote. randome Jun 2016 #150

AP isn't Comcast. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #8

They all suck. Armstead Jun 2016 #13

Yes!! GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #98

Why did the CA Dem Party choose to have their primary last, and make their voters irrelevant? tritsofme Jun 2016 #9

Some state (states) have to be last unless it is simultaneous. Armstead Jun 2016 #14

Someone has to be last, it didn't have to be California tritsofme Jun 2016 #29

Its designed to lower campaign cost Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #43

and I suspect if one state changes their primary, states that have been upended, will then move still_one Jun 2016 #35

Parties don't decide when to hold their primaries unless that is an option by state law. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #40

California's primary also decides city, county, and state office primaries. It is a big deal. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #129

Yep! So any reduced voter return would be those that really aren't interested in their government. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #133

they aren't irrelevant treestar Jun 2016 #147

Um. Isn't it their job to call it when it's clinched? Skinner Jun 2016 #10

Super Delegates aren't committed until the convention. nt retrowire Jun 2016 #15

Everyone knows that. randome Jun 2016 #19

Like the electoral college is not tied to the votes? Generic Brad Jun 2016 #99

A statement is an argument? WELL ILL BE DAMNED LOL nt retrowire Jun 2016 #103

The statement also reflects wishful thinking Generic Brad Jun 2016 #105

Agreed. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #16

Common sense is noting more than a conspiracy dammit! bettyellen Jun 2016 #18

I guess the process no longer matters. Armstead Jun 2016 #23

Enough of the insults. We both understood this would be he result tomorrow, like it or not. bettyellen Jun 2016 #26

If there is a similar cock up to favor the GOP in November then... Armstead Jun 2016 #44

The GE is a whole different process and impossible to call a day before.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #53

Remember 2000? Armstead Jun 2016 #59

I remember a lot of "lefty" idiots saying Gore= Bush for six months, YES I DO. And the USSC.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #62

I am not talking about that and you damn well know it Armstead Jun 2016 #64

He was a dumbass not to get the state recounted. And for not letting Clinton stump for him.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #65

Just toss the Nader kitchen sink Armstead Jun 2016 #70

Nope. What I actually do hate, is letting Bush or Trump into office. Especially feeding voters fake bettyellen Jun 2016 #74

I don't dwell in indictments...Comcast really is sponsoring the democratic convention.... Armstead Jun 2016 #82

You want people to respect your opinions, stop calling them horrible names? What is so fucking hard bettyellen Jun 2016 #88

People can respect my opinions or not. I'm pissed. Like REALLY pissed... Armstead Jun 2016 #91

I bet anything you'd be thrilled if they called it for SBS a day early. If I have learned one thing bettyellen Jun 2016 #96

There are many factors involved Armstead Jun 2016 #100

If Sanders was ahead he'd be leaving HRC in the dust, debating Trump already bettyellen Jun 2016 #120

Whatever....To quote Rhett Butler... Armstead Jun 2016 #123

all those enthusiastic young people would be having to work many years to see much progress.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #134

That's not a reason to deliberately surpress their engagement Armstead Jun 2016 #135

This ALWAYS happens to the last states in the primary. ALWAYS. Why sugarcoat this shit for new bettyellen Jun 2016 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Jun 2016 #160

Well said! KPN Jun 2016 #164

And I remember 308,000 Florida Democrats voting Bush. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #153

I think the process does matter Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #47

NO IT IS NOT THEIR JOB TO PUT IN FINAL NAILS Armstead Jun 2016 #21

Don't call me Republican. Skinner Jun 2016 #22

I thought better of that and changed it before I saw your response Armstead Jun 2016 #25

You might also consider removing it from your post above. Skinner Jun 2016 #30

You might want to consider how you are treating others too. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #87

I do need to calm down I'll admit....But I am reallly angry.... Armstead Jun 2016 #113

There's always the possibility that somebody will win before all states have voted. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #97

Strange that some would suggest the media should not report facts. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #48

she doesn't have the pledged delegates dana_b Jun 2016 #58

The problem is... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #83

Oh, good lord. nt antigop Jun 2016 #122

The timing is suspect ... and breeds distrust. Is that good? KPN Jun 2016 #158

Elitist news organizations should temporarily suppress stories from the unwashed masses Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #11

There used to be some standards as to when it is responsible to make such determinations Armstead Jun 2016 #28

I'm fine with news stories not being witheld from the public Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #46

When one candidate has 2383 or more delegates they win. Even if some states haven't voted yet. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #104

Hyperbole, although I wish AP had waited ecstatic Jun 2016 #17

It won't in California. We have other offices, propositions, and local initiatives. still_one Jun 2016 #41

That is a big difference compared to holding a primary just for President. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #52

Besides that, both Clinton and Sanders want their supporters to come out and vote, if for nothing still_one Jun 2016 #95

Fuck Comcast. icecreamfan Jun 2016 #20

sounds like you're not so happy with the media for doing their jobs onenote Jun 2016 #24

So their job is to determine elections now? Armstead Jun 2016 #31

Were you upset when they "determined" the election for Obama? Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #34

Reporting and establishing an "official" final result are not the same thing Armstead Jun 2016 #49

I think the HRC campaign is just as worried about supression, perhaps more so Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #54

"Bernie's lost already. There's no point in standing in line to cast a meaningless vite." Armstead Jun 2016 #61

Obama had won a majority of the pledged delegates n/t JustinL Jun 2016 #75

You say determined. I say reported. onenote Jun 2016 #42

What is sad is that all Clinton supporters cheering this TimPlo Jun 2016 #27

EXACTLY! Armstead Jun 2016 #33

AP called the Republican primary on May 26. Skinner Jun 2016 #39

But tonight they spelled it out with CHEMTRAILS across the sky, Skinner, explain THAT!!! bettyellen Jun 2016 #57

A lot of Republicans were not happy about that.....They still aren't Armstead Jun 2016 #66

Those Republicans were unhappy about the outcome, not about the announcement. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #108

With PLEDGED delegates . . . baran Jun 2016 #127

What we're cheering is our candidate's victory. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #107

Even if AP didn't call, it would be highly unlikely Bernie would get 80 percent bigwillq Jun 2016 #169

They've become quite creative with vote suppression techniques me b zola Jun 2016 #32

It doesn't make a difference KingFlorez Jun 2016 #36

exactly still_one Jun 2016 #45

Bandwagon Effect . TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #117

. Brickbat Jun 2016 #37

Washington DC is the last primary jamese777 Jun 2016 #38

I don't like it either, but they're just reporting facts. YouDig Jun 2016 #50

Pathetic pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #51

A fucking oligarchy is right dana_b Jun 2016 #55

I told everyone MFM008 Jun 2016 #56

I know you are disappointed ... even angry ... But, what does the word "presumptive" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #60

It means it is assumed that she is already the official nominee. Armstead Jun 2016 #63

Would you, if you lived in California or one of the other remaining states ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #69

It is very tempting not to. Why stand in line for hours to do something that makes no difference? Armstead Jun 2016 #73

They could have waited 24 hours. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #67

They could have waited 24 YEARS and it wouldn't have changed one damn thing Number23 Jun 2016 #144

MSNBC loves to rail against voter suppression by the GOP Daniel537 Jun 2016 #68

Calling this "voter suppression" is insane. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #109

They HAVE waited Corporate666 Jun 2016 #71

They couldn't have the decency to allow the voting to proceed without... Armstead Jun 2016 #77

You have to face reality Corporate666 Jun 2016 #81

The thumb has been on the scale since at least 2014 Armstead Jun 2016 #86

you're suffering from confirmation bias Corporate666 Jun 2016 #94

Don't they have to reach a certain magic number???? Seeinghope Jun 2016 #112

Hey, don't be surprised if Skinner calls it tonight passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #72

as a Clinton supporter I find this disrespectful to her campaign geek tragedy Jun 2016 #78

Thank you! Jennylynn Jun 2016 #168

Wow, what a tantrum anigbrowl Jun 2016 #79

We'll see how you feel if something similar happens in November Armstead Jun 2016 #84

That would be tricky since all states vote on the same day in November anigbrowl Jun 2016 #90

There are many to skin a cat and screw up an election Armstead Jun 2016 #92

not over yet CountAllVotes Jun 2016 #85

I don't know why the AP couldn't wait until all votes were counted, Beacool Jun 2016 #89

There is a very large difference between tonight and tomorrow night Armstead Jun 2016 #93

And a winner would've been called tomorrow night BEFORE that primary in the largest state ended. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #114

I think results should always be embargoed until the West Coast has voted Armstead Jun 2016 #118

The 1st Amendment says too bad. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #119

I agree that they should have waited until at least all the votes were counted in the Western states Beacool Jun 2016 #137

Tomorrow night there would still be uncounted votes. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #111

Yes, well, the AP decided to jump the gun. Beacool Jun 2016 #138

Here's an alternate title for your rant: I hate a free press that reports the news as it happens onenote Jun 2016 #101

No kidding gopiscrap Jun 2016 #102

Bernie on the Cover of Time magazine, Again gordyfl Jun 2016 #106

The media is doing their job Hokie Jun 2016 #110

It's not news that could not wait. Armstead Jun 2016 #115

Premature is in the eyes of the beholder Hokie Jun 2016 #121

Yeah, Sanders really fucked up. He should have gone for the parachute option. randome Jun 2016 #124

"We no longer live in a democracy." Sparkly Jun 2016 #125

If you don't care that the media has just negated several primaries...go ahead and laugh Armstead Jun 2016 #126

No, the delegate count did that. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #130

Unbelievable isn't it?!!! n/t baran Jun 2016 #131

They need sponsors RandySF Jun 2016 #128

There's a difference between "deciding" the election and reporting the outcome. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #132

I've googled but can't find it easily.... Lars39 Jun 2016 #139

This is "different." "It's Hillary..." ScreamingMeemie Jun 2016 #140

I know. Lars39 Jun 2016 #141

God damned media reporting facts qdouble Jun 2016 #142

This is... painful. Number23 Jun 2016 #143

Vote vote vote felix_numinous Jun 2016 #145

I really like this OP! I can't help it ... I just do! It's so .... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #148

Voters decided. seabeyond Jun 2016 #151

"We no longer live in a democracy"? She has about 3 million more votes! tonyt53 Jun 2016 #152

IMO what is worse UglyGreed Jun 2016 #155

what's "Russia Today" opinion? stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #161

Now THAT'S funny! :-P NurseJackie Jun 2016 #162

The "media decided our election"? How about the 13 million people who voted for Clinton and..... George II Jun 2016 #165

So does anyone at all wonder why our most conservative MSM media provider is manipulating the Todays_Illusion Jun 2016 #166

This is absolutely infuriating. myrna minx Jun 2016 #170

Silly us libodem Jun 2016 #171

If this is how the campaign is run just imagine a Clinton Administration. JEB Jun 2016 #172