2016 Postmortem

bvar22

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15. Do some homework.

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:26 PM

Jun 2016

AS Sec. of State, Hillary pushed for the intervention in Libya which Obama was resisting. Hillary's lobbying FOR the bombing of Libya was the instrumental piece.

The Coup in Honduras also belongs in her lap.

That Hillary turned her back on the Democratic Majority, crossed the aisle, and helped Bush and the Republicans get their WAR on Iraq is beyond any doubt or argument.

Do your homework, and maybe all this WILL start making sense to you. Nothing makes sense in a vacuum.

As I said, there is nothing wrong with voting for a woman. I support many women in our government, and some progressive women that are running for office, and will vote for them and support them given a the opportunity.

Yes is is OK to vote for women...
It is NOT OK to vote for a woman just because she is a woman.

After all, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Kay Bailey Hutchison, and "Mean Jean" Schmidt are women too.

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Yes, its OK to vote for Hillary because she is a woman! [View all] procon Jun 2016 OP

I agree with you democrattotheend Jun 2016 #1

Okay. 99Forever Jun 2016 #2

If you're voting for inequality and discrimination, I have nothing to offer beyond contempt. nt procon Jun 2016 #5

Ya, because he thought that argument was brilliant. Lordy. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #20

Aw, don't be willing to offer so little. After all... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #26

You didn't answer the question. 99Forever Jun 2016 #27

Stop looking for validation. procon Jun 2016 #41

+1 hrmjustin Jun 2016 #51

"My problem" is that you openly discriminate based on gender? 99Forever Jun 2016 #58

Look at yourself; still ordering women around. procon Jun 2016 #63

... Bobbie Jo Jun 2016 #65

I didn't "order(ing) women around, I asked you a simple question. 99Forever Jun 2016 #67

The desire for knowledge first requires an open mind and tolerance. procon Jun 2016 #68

You could just answer the question instead of twisting yourself into a pretzel... 99Forever Jun 2016 #69

You are talking as if we already have the level playing field, just as Sanders did and his fail. seabeyond Jun 2016 #88

People that discriminate... 99Forever Jun 2016 #95

And you insist on proving that point. boston bean Jun 2016 #96

Ignoring fact doesn't win your argument. seabeyond Jun 2016 #97

I asked a perfectly valid question of the OP. 99Forever Jun 2016 #106

No. And I told you why it is not a perfectly valid question. Yet you ignore reasoning again. seabeyond Jun 2016 #107

You are not the judge here. 99Forever Jun 2016 #112

Opinion is not fact 99. You argue opinion. I gave you fact. seabeyond Jun 2016 #114

I asked the OP a question. 99Forever Jun 2016 #116

I gave you the answer. Petulant? seabeyond Jun 2016 #125

oh yes you have Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #74

yup, and I bet Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #75

Right. Because we know that sexism against women is a thing of the past. athena Jun 2016 #30

Yes, I do have a problem with it because that continues discrimination apcalc Jun 2016 #80

Do you believe that reverse-racism is real too? Darb Jun 2016 #100

I have no interest your strawman distraction. 99Forever Jun 2016 #105

Yes you do. Darb Jun 2016 #117

... 99Forever Jun 2016 #118

I knew you cared. Darb Jun 2016 #119

... 99Forever Jun 2016 #121

Ahhhh, you're too kind. Darb Jun 2016 #122

You may call them misogynists rock Jun 2016 #127

I don't recall asking for your advice. 99Forever Jun 2016 #128

I don't recall you did either rock Jun 2016 #129

Then perhaps I'll just ignore you. 99Forever Jun 2016 #131

As we say in the South, you done fucked up there. GaYellowDawg Jun 2016 #130

Where I live we don't consider asking a simple question... 99Forever Jun 2016 #132

Where you live, you apparently don't endorse reading comprehension. GaYellowDawg Jun 2016 #133

Ahhh.. isn't that special? 99Forever Jun 2016 #137

How do you respond to someone exclaiming: Herman4747 Jun 2016 #3

Show me where men's privilege have suffered the same discrimination as women. procon Jun 2016 #4

This isn't about discrimination!!! (Unless you're deliberately... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #7

You don't even recognize that you are part of the problem, do you? procon Jun 2016 #12

Well, thanks for the insult. But... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #16

To think that being a woman is a mere matter of anatomy athena Jun 2016 #50

It isn't just anatomy. I'd never vote for, say, apcalc Jun 2016 #83

Many white males have the privileged of believing precisely that. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #18

Dude, you are the best. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #24

It isn't about discrimination for you. Says it all. seabeyond Jun 2016 #21

People vote for men because of their gender all the time. athena Jun 2016 #32

Okay. Does the tendency of others to discriminate by sex... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #37

Oh, so you think that sexism is a thing of the past! athena Jun 2016 #43

Why do you change the subject to Congress? Herman4747 Jun 2016 #45

You're the one trying to change the subject. athena Jun 2016 #46

You asked but a single question, which I had thought was rhetorical: Herman4747 Jun 2016 #62

I made points, to which you did not respond. But I will respond to your so-called "questions". athena Jun 2016 #76

stop digging..... Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #77

Faulty logic here. Just because men were elected it does not follow that gender was the criteria. TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #70

Why, then have we had 44 male presidents? athena Jun 2016 #79

No question sexism has played a giant role especially considering for quite a few of the 44 TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #91

The candidates are not close. athena Jun 2016 #108

I also think it is either lazy or fingers in the ear to throw around misogyny TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #136

No one would be supporting Sanders if he were a woman. athena Jun 2016 #138

I require no agreement to be correct. I hope you find a way to value who you are and TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #139

I have no idea what you're talking about. athena Jun 2016 #140

Depends. In the days of JFK,gender and looks were def. factors. MichiganVote Jun 2016 #84

I was absolutely thrilled to vote for Obama, not least BECAUSE he was black. The same with Hillary. Squinch Jun 2016 #90

I'm sorry, but claiming sexism against men when throughout history, we have had 44 males presidents boston bean Jun 2016 #98

Totally. athena Jun 2016 #110

They don't say it...but there are enough who think it apcalc Jun 2016 #81

Tell it! Hill, YEEEESSSSSSSSS! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #6

What a righteous feminist rant. !!! The absurdity I hear in reducing this to merely voting for woman seabeyond Jun 2016 #8

Me too, thanks! nt procon Jun 2016 #23

It sure is. Orsino Jun 2016 #9

Yes. zenabby Jun 2016 #10

Of course it is OK to vote for a woman, bvar22 Jun 2016 #11

What? zenabby Jun 2016 #13

Do some homework. bvar22 Jun 2016 #15

Considering your premise, your conclusion and your logical fallacies LanternWaste Jun 2016 #22

Slooooooowly........She made bad decisions as an office holder Armstead Jun 2016 #28

You never once mentioned American women. procon Jun 2016 #19

What about American poor women who had public assistance yanked out from under them? Armstead Jun 2016 #31

Go back and read it again, this time pay attention. bvar22 Jun 2016 #39

Yep, nothing gets a woman's attention like a man telling her, to "pay attention!" procon Jun 2016 #44

a duck, dodge, and the gender card! bvar22 Jun 2016 #123

When you throw out a rightwing trope like "gender card", procon Jun 2016 #124

Wow. Nothing but baseless assumptions. bvar22 Jun 2016 #126

What about American women who had husbands and fathers locked up by the Crime bill Hillary hawked* jack_krass Jun 2016 #55

The crime bill Sanders voted for? seabeyond Jun 2016 #61

I knew someone would say that. One of his few mistakes. jack_krass Jun 2016 #71

Even as First Lady she was more powerful than the fuckin' elected congressman that voted. Lol seabeyond Jun 2016 #87

some women in Libya Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #78

Amen!! Thank you for standing up. Pay no attention to the naysayers. They've been BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #14

Yes they are! procon Jun 2016 #34

I saw the perfect button for you leftynyc Jun 2016 #17

Ohhhh, nice. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #25

I LIKE that! nt procon Jun 2016 #36

I would never vote for someone because of their gender. Cobalt Violet Jun 2016 #29

Well, then I suppose you will be leaving DU? leftofcool Jun 2016 #42

Voting for someone because of gender is the same as voting against someone because of gender. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #33

Likewise, I also voted for a woman, procon Jun 2016 #48

It is not ok to vote for someone based on their gender, race, religion, etc. SheenaR Jun 2016 #35

If the nominees were Carly Fiorina and Bernie Sanders Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #38

Its a nonsequitor. procon Jun 2016 #53

It's a hypothetical but not a nonsequitor. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #60

Is that latin for don't want to answer? azurnoir Jun 2016 #66

The candidate is not Carly Fiorina. athena Jun 2016 #109

I asked the OP whom she'd choose in a hypothetical election. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #111

That is the perception you leave behind with every comment you've made, yeah? procon Jun 2016 #113

You're the one who voted for a warmonger because she's a woman. NT Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #115

Huge K&R NCTraveler Jun 2016 #40

As good a reason as any. senz Jun 2016 #47

The ONLY DECENT WOMAN I know of who ran for POTUS. senz Jun 2016 #49

Shirley Chisholm is the ONLY decent woman who ever ran for President!!?? Haveadream Jun 2016 #54

Like I said, she's the only one I know of. We sure could use more like her. senz Jun 2016 #56

And also why so few women get into politics at all. procon Jun 2016 #57

There hasn't been a woman president since this country was founded even though their 50% of the.. qdouble Jun 2016 #52

what century did you gtow up in? PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #59

I won't vote my vagina the day it doesn't matter that I have one. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #64

Damn right and my vagina agrees Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #72

By that logic, tabasco Jun 2016 #73

Sure, you can vote for Trump for any reason you like, procon Jun 2016 #85

Nowhere did I infer that I am voting for Trump tabasco Jun 2016 #93

Bernie is sexist and a misogynist! panader0 Jun 2016 #82

That makes me very sad. nt procon Jun 2016 #86

Just not insightful, out dated and a refusal to listen seabeyond Jun 2016 #89

k and r niyad Jun 2016 #92

If she is elected marions ghost Jun 2016 #94

Yay! Woman power!!! coco77 Jun 2016 #99

I'm voting for Hillary... Skid Rogue Jun 2016 #101

I will vote for and support Clinton because she is the democratic candidate tymorial Jun 2016 #102

I applaude you. There are many people who can't own it. Some I've interacted with feign disbelief WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jun 2016 #103

Sounds like the same reasoning/logic(?) people whistler162 Jun 2016 #104

I'm gonna vote for the person who is the most qualified. zappaman Jun 2016 #120

Im going to vote for the most progressive candidate ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #134

k&r bigtree Jun 2016 #135

OK? Is there any other reason besides (1) a female president is overdue and (2) Hillary isn't Trump? Vote2016 Jun 2016 #141

You mean besides our autonomy, equality, justice, fairness, parity and rights? nt procon Jun 2016 #142

Who knew it was that easy? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #143