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frazzled

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130. Let's ask the Jews
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

(Of which I am one--a very secular one, like Bernie, if that matters at all). Although no exit polls did a breakdown of voters by religion, several polls suggest that Jewish voters went largely for Clinton:

The best evidence so far comes from two recent polls of New York voters.

The Sienna College Poll, which has a long track record of surveying New York voters, found Clinton leading Sanders among Jewish voters 60%-38%. That's almost as large as her lead among black voters, the poll found. Overall, she led 52%-42%, the poll found.

African Americans make up about 20% of the expected turnout for the Democratic primary, the poll projected. Jews make up just over 10%.

The NBC/Wall St. Journal/Marist poll found roughly the same breakdown, Clinton leading among Jews 65%-32%, part of an overall lead of 57%-40%. That poll pegged Jewish voters as likely to make up 16% of the electorate for the primary.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-live-updates-democr-sanders-fares-poorly-against-clinton-with-fellow-j-1460644902-htmlstory.html


Did that pan out in the actual primary? It would seem so:

While the exit polls did not provide any breakdown of the Jewish vote, we can make some assumptions by looking at how the vote went in neighborhoods with large numbers of Jews.

In Borough Park, Brooklyn, one of the most Jewish precincts in the country, Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory, 61.3 percent to Bernie Sanders’ 38.7 percent, was slightly narrower than her citywide victory of 63.4-36.6 percent. Borough Park had 3,930 Democratic votes cast.

In the heavily Chabad-Lubavitch Brooklyn neighborhood of Crown Heights South, Clinton won 63.8 percent of the vote to Sanders’ 36.2 percent, out of 5,374 total Democratic voters. In the heavily Satmar neighborhood of Williamsburg, Brooklyn, Clinton beat Sanders 61-39 percent out of 1,077 Democratic votes.

Clinton did much better on Manhattan’s Upper East Side and Upper West Side, where plenty of Jews live and where she took about 80 percent and 71 percent of the vote, respectively. But it’s hard to surmise anything about the Jewish vote in those neighborhoods because the Jews are mixed in with non-Jews.

http://www.jta.org/2016/04/20/news-opinion/united-states/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-how-jews-voted-in-new-york


There must be a lot of self-hating, anti-semitic Jews, both according to these statistics and the anecdotal evidence people have been giving in this thread. Most of us who are Jewish would testify that the majority of Jews in their family or social circles supported Hillary, just as the rest of American Democrats did. (Let's remember that Jews, like African-Americans, are among the most dedicated Democrats, and I think that had more to do with anything than Bernie's religion.) There are of course exceptions, as with the rest of the voting populace. For instance, my (Jewish) niece, a hip young millennial who happens to live in Crown Heights, probably voted for Bernie (although I never asked her), much like the rest of the population.

I think anti-Semitism had close to absolutely zip affect on this primary race.
No role at all as far as I am concerned. apcalc Jun 2016 #1
Well many Bernie supporters are female as well... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #11
Many Bernie supporters are Jewish and female. So there is that. jillan Jun 2016 #32
Antisemitism is rising on the far left and far right Hortensis Jun 2016 #126
Since the majority of American Jews supported Hillary over Bernie, I think that speaks to the issue still_one Jun 2016 #2
And I happen to be one of those Jews that support Bernie and I am a woman. Imagine that. jillan Jun 2016 #33
Of course my point was that the OP's speculation was that antisemetism was a reason people didn't still_one Jun 2016 #59
Bernie Sanders is Jewish ? stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #3
Sanders is not observant and even spoke to Liberty Univ. on a high holy day Gothmog Jun 2016 #15
I pretty much forgot he was Jewish too. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #24
This claim is very much like Trump blaming Judge Curiel for Trump's own bigotry. baldguy Jun 2016 #4
Didn't play a role for me. leftofcool Jun 2016 #5
I think it very much has a role. How much I don't know, it was Autumn Jun 2016 #6
Agreed from my perspective, as well, as much as it will not be admitted. JudyM Jun 2016 #17
And it seems to be a taboo subject to discuss. Autumn Jun 2016 #19
It is. And emotional, vehement denial, as well. Particularly when thinly shrouded in anti-Israel JudyM Jun 2016 #21
Most of the Jewish people I know are liberal Democrats and do NOT agree with the conservative kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #35
That is somewhat dismissive of a genuine issue. I don't automatically conflate disagreeing with JudyM Jun 2016 #80
We all know it played a role but to what degree is the million dollar question. NWCorona Jun 2016 #7
I am Jewish and I opposed Sanders because he was a bad general election candidate Gothmog Jun 2016 #8
None that I've seen rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #9
It reared its ugly head here at DU. How did you avoid that? Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #51
I missed it I guess rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #63
So since Hillary's top aide is Muslim and her daughter married a Jew MattP Jun 2016 #10
So that means that Democrats can't be antisemitic. Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #52
Bernie Sanders is Jewish. Why isn’t that convincing Jews to vote for him? Gothmog Jun 2016 #12
In some cases it plays a particularly strong role, QC Jun 2016 #13
Bingo! Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #110
Never thought about it other than his cool Brooklyn accent Dem2 Jun 2016 #14
Lots. "Misogyny" and "Racism" are articles of faith on DU. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #16
Very well stated. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #109
Absolutely true. It is delegitimized here. Eye-opening to see this, and profoundly saddening. JudyM Jun 2016 #111
definitely played a role but was not addressed amborin Jun 2016 #18
Apparently in some cases, a lot. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #20
Since Sanders downplays his Jewish heritage, or dismisses it altogether... Tarc Jun 2016 #22
His father's family was wiped out in the Holocaust. SHAME on you for your cold hearted jillan Jun 2016 #28
Oh, turn your crocodile tears on someone who will fall for it Tarc Jun 2016 #41
Losing your family in the Holocaust is crocodile tears? WTF is wrong with someone who says that?? jillan Jun 2016 #45
"crocodile tears" referred to you, not Bernie. Get a grip with the faux outrage here. Tarc Jun 2016 #48
Results... Major Nikon Jun 2016 #97
Thanks Tarc Jun 2016 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Jun 2016 #134
That's like saying an uncle tom is treated as an equal in the white racist community. NWCorona Jun 2016 #57
Not even a sliver of a sensible argument there. Tarc Jun 2016 #60
And your double down just proves my point. NWCorona Jun 2016 #62
He said in a town hall that he was proud to be Jewish, after being asked about it Ash_F Jun 2016 #105
His deeds count more than the (extremely occasional) words Tarc Jun 2016 #112
What deeds? Ash_F Jun 2016 #113
Praising Palestinians for resistance, condemning Israel for self-defense Tarc Jun 2016 #114
Your false narrative Ash_F Jun 2016 #115
No, Jews support "Palestinian rights" on the condition they cease committing acts of terrorism Tarc Jun 2016 #116
So you are defining what makes a Jew? Ash_F Jun 2016 #117
"American Public Opinion Toward Israel" Tarc Jun 2016 #118
I would like to see what those questions looked like Ash_F Jun 2016 #119
Anti-Semitism has existed for centuries tabasco Jun 2016 #23
None for me MaggieD Jun 2016 #25
It's played a huge role. You can see it in the replies in this thread. jillan Jun 2016 #26
You may be able to, but I can't. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #29
You can start with the ones saying Oh, Bernie is Jewish? I didn't know that. jillan Jun 2016 #43
Plenty of non-observant Jews out there. cemaphonic Jun 2016 #69
Wow! So if someone doesn't know that Bernie is Jewish, ecstatic Jun 2016 #75
Made up your mind without ever listening to, or reading, his speech or his website? Arazi Jun 2016 #77
Did you not watch the debates either? He spoke about his faith several times. jillan Jun 2016 #89
This is grasping at straws. Almost no one who supports Hillary every brings up Bernie being Jewish qdouble Jun 2016 #27
Really? You must be new here. Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #54
Nope. I just started to post, but I've lurked. Almost no one gives Bernie shit for being Jewish. qdouble Jun 2016 #67
Then you somehow missed the very long posts about a poster here at DU and anti-semitism Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #71
It played a large role in the DU Primary dynamics, that's for sure. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #30
Can you highlight this "large role" it played on DU? Nt NCTraveler Jun 2016 #40
Red baiting is the most glaring. DUers calling him a commie Arazi Jun 2016 #65
At least one prominent poster has been revealed as an antisemite JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #79
One? "Large role" nt NCTraveler Jun 2016 #128
I remember that. Quite revealing. /nt Marr Jun 2016 #135
I've pointed it out to you before. You just handwave it. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #81
That doesn't answer the question. At all. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #129
I'd like to see a link to it, please. I've seen no anti-Semitic sentiments leveled at Bernie. ancianita Jun 2016 #121
It sure did. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #108
I liked the one about how Sanders needs to learn QC Jun 2016 #124
not much damage. He is against "Yahoo" and doesnt come off as overly religious swhisper1 Jun 2016 #31
His entire platform is based on his faith. He spoke about it many times. jillan Jun 2016 #36
Tripped up by the... Mike Nelson Jun 2016 #34
I remember a black pastor from a southern church being interviewed. Vinca Jun 2016 #37
I remember that. One other question falls into this post: jwirr Jun 2016 #46
Sanders supports Israel and franken endorsed Clinton before Sanders got in the race JI7 Jun 2016 #49
I remember when in very early 2009 during Operation Cast Lead Franken standing arm in arm azurnoir Jun 2016 #56
I don't think Sanders is anti semetic Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #38
What an anti semetic thing to say. jillan Jun 2016 #44
oh brother Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #50
I'm sure to a very small group it played a very large role. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #39
this should only be mentioned when Hillary supporters say we don't like her because she's a woman yurbud Jun 2016 #42
of course and against Debbie Wasserman Schultz also JI7 Jun 2016 #47
You are correct. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #107
none Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #53
A significant amount. Especially down south where Hillary swept. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #55
Bullshit. Christian's by and large have no animosity towards Jews. qdouble Jun 2016 #68
There's a large contingent of people down south who won't vote for a non-Christian Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #76
Even if that's true, it isn't specifically anti-Jew qdouble Jun 2016 #86
The Christian right doesn't love Israel, they love the Rapture and Israel's role in that event Fumesucker Jun 2016 #85
That's bogus.... I've been to tons of churches in the south where they pray for Israel and view Jews qdouble Jun 2016 #87
Hymietown Fumesucker Jun 2016 #91
Yeah it was Jesse Jackson he referred to Jews as "Hymies" and to New York City as "Hymietown" Autumn Jun 2016 #95
There's a long and storied history of anti-semitism in the black community. riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #99
Bullshit leftynyc Jun 2016 #136
Unfortunately Turin_C3PO Jun 2016 #58
About as much as it did in the dissing of Barbara Boxer Retrograde Jun 2016 #61
Retrograde, just out of curiosity..... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #72
If I understand your question correctly Retrograde Jun 2016 #96
way larger than anyone will ever admit azurnoir Jun 2016 #64
A lot but too many either applaud it or don't give a shit Arazi Jun 2016 #66
It's doubtful that most people even knew KingFlorez Jun 2016 #70
Zero role for me. I see him as a priviledged old white guy ecstatic Jun 2016 #73
LOL. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #84
None. He just wasn't the best candidate. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #74
The responses from Hillary supporters here are fucking funny Scootaloo Jun 2016 #78
What we're saying is most of us haven't witnessed much of any anti-semetic statements towards Bernie qdouble Jun 2016 #88
That you choose to not look doesn't make it invisible Scootaloo Jun 2016 #92
Point to it then. It certainly isn't apparent to most of us. qdouble Jun 2016 #93
I pointed out my pointing-out (one of them) upthread Scootaloo Jun 2016 #94
Did I ever say zero? I said it wasn't rampant. Other than very extremist groups and probably qdouble Jun 2016 #122
I bet you are far better at spotting bigotry against whatever you are Fumesucker Jun 2016 #101
Sorry, not buying it. Never seen anyone say anti-semetic about Bernie ever. Not saying it doesn't qdouble Jun 2016 #123
I'll never forget that one debate when Judy Woodruff asked him about standing in the way of jillan Jun 2016 #90
Given that almost no one is even aware that Bernie is Jewish? Yes. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #100
The antisemites know Bernie is Jewish Fumesucker Jun 2016 #103
Ooh, another HRC supporter exposed as having NEVER read anything on Bernie's website riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #106
Hard to know. deathrind Jun 2016 #82
That post you're referencing doesn't say what you claim it says gollygee Jun 2016 #83
I've read some anti semitic shit here. Lots of red baiting too... Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #102
There is some serious anti-semitism among a sizable portion of Trump supporters oberliner Jun 2016 #104
None unless you are fantasizing about crossover GOP votes. It certainly has no bearing on Dems... Hekate Jun 2016 #120
Same as misogynist does on HRC laserhaas Jun 2016 #125
None. ReRe Jun 2016 #127
Let's ask the Jews frazzled Jun 2016 #130
None. George II Jun 2016 #131
Since you asked. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #132
I think antisemitism has been much more of a factor in this primary than sexism. Marr Jun 2016 #133
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