2016 Postmortem

Chan790

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93. It's not unique though.

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:25 PM

Jun 2016

It's pretty much de rigeur for tough-fought close primary races where the presumed non-winner could carry out their campaign to the bloody end to no apparent purpose other than to damage the presumed winner and potentially mount an insurgent resistance to take the nomination by guile.

You play the game and get as much out of the winner in terms of concessions, promises and owed-favors/begging as you can in exchange for your endorsement and withdrawal.

That has nothing to do with patriarchy...not unless you also ascribe Dann Malloy doing it to John DeStefano Jr. in the CT governor's primary in 2006 to the patriarchy. I only have about 15 other examples of this exact phenomena...Hillary is not unique in the expectation that she beg and bribe Sanders out of this primary.

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Advice to Sanders when meeting with the Dem Nominee on Tuesday [View all] boston bean Jun 2016 OP

Why are you always so bitter? TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #1

I'm not bitter. I'm fed up with his antics. Putting the GE at risk with his antics. boston bean Jun 2016 #2

There is no risk to the GE, TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #3

Boston Bean, we do need to address the GE, but imo Hortensis Jun 2016 #49

I have warned since March when it became clear he could not win Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #75

So you have little confidence in Hillary's ability to win on her own merits AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #92

No Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #106

No, he doesnt AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #111

If you think he's putting the GE at risk by staying in JackInGreen Jun 2016 #4

Of course it hurts the general...only a Bernie person would not understand that. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #76

So if he doesn't 'get with the program' his career is over? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #81

They've been out from day one JackInGreen Jun 2016 #98

Absolutely Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #107

lol AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #109

So tiresome of Sanders supported defining us with outrageous adjectives. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #9

Is it also tiresome when Clinton supporters define us with outrageous adjectives? Jim Lane Jun 2016 #51

I don't do it. seabeyond Jun 2016 #72

Flummoxed is the most fitting one AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #112

Let's see here. First you say Bernie is NOT a Democrat. Now you say he needs to get on board? hobbit709 Jun 2016 #14

He needs to just go away MaggieD Jun 2016 #57

Keep on talking there. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #62

You too MaggieD Jun 2016 #64

Didn't take long did it? hobbit709 Jun 2016 #89

How is he putting the GE at risk? democrattotheend Jun 2016 #82

Advice to Hillary Clinton pipoman Jun 2016 #5

^^^This^^^ TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #6

Yeah that's it make her beg.... rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #7

LOL pipoman Jun 2016 #11

Lets pretend that anyone seriously suggested allowing the loser to run the show when a man. seabeyond Jun 2016 #12

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #15

50% of Democrats are NOT "Bernie supporters". George II Jun 2016 #18

Keep pretending. pipoman Jun 2016 #22

I'm sure you can document that, right? It's not pretend, it's reality. George II Jun 2016 #31

Well, if we count HRC's voters who "support" Hortensis Jun 2016 #53

It's not disenfranchisement if you just get outvoted. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #19

Every president ever elected pipoman Jun 2016 #24

Getting outvoted isn't disenfranchisement geek tragedy Jun 2016 #33

Not being allowed to vote is. -none Jun 2016 #60

vote suppression helped Sanders greatly. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #68

How do caucuses suppress the vote? -none Jun 2016 #73

let's see, caucuses violate voter privacy, are prone to acts of intimidation, discriminate against geek tragedy Jun 2016 #74

Even when the rallies were in the evenings? -none Jun 2016 #77

yes, people have stuff that's more important than standing around for 4 hours geek tragedy Jun 2016 #79

People still have kids in the evening. Disabled and elderly are still disabled and elderly Mr Maru Jun 2016 #85

Caucuses are disenfranchisement by their nature. They place significant barriers to participation. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #96

Senator Sanders liberal from boston Jun 2016 #83

Sanders got under 50% of the vote adn over 40% of those are not Democrats. So, no. seabeyond Jun 2016 #26

Your numbers are completely off. Clinton won 63.7% of Dems. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #37

People went ballistic in 08 and she was much closer than Bernie Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #78

"make her beg" rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #16

Wrong. It always happens. Is this your first presidential election season? pipoman Jun 2016 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #23

Then you should know that she cannot win without pipoman Jun 2016 #35

Nonsense rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #67

"lets make Bernie beg for his senate committee assignments. " Mr Maru Jun 2016 #86

Exactly rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #90

We have been begging Lazy Daisy Jun 2016 #104

Actually, yes she can. leftofcool Jun 2016 #70

Yes, she can. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #97

No man has ever been expected to beg for the votes geek tragedy Jun 2016 #30

This. Thank you. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #34

Carter in 1980 v Kennedy Beowulf Jun 2016 #43

You said it. cwydro Jun 2016 #45

Amen sister!!! nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #108

I think you mean to write "amen brother!!!" geek tragedy Jun 2016 #110

This is a ridiculous smear. Jim Lane Jun 2016 #54

"She better beg, and it better be believable." geek tragedy Jun 2016 #17

Dumb. pipoman Jun 2016 #21

No, what's dumb is demanding the presumptive nominee geek tragedy Jun 2016 #27

No, it is the absolute reality of winning the support of people who currently oppose you pipoman Jun 2016 #38

That is done via policy and outreach. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #52

Uh no! Not only will she not beg. Sanders will not get anything he wants. leftofcool Jun 2016 #69

Insisting she beg a wildly-popular upstart to fall in line rather than carry on to the convention... Chan790 Jun 2016 #25

Bull rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #28

When behavior toward our first woman nominee is met with a unique demand, ya, we are gonna attribute seabeyond Jun 2016 #29

It's not unique though. Chan790 Jun 2016 #93

"vast number of Democrats who hate you" - Hillary won 63.7% of Dems TwilightZone Jun 2016 #32

Not at all good enough to win the GE.... pipoman Jun 2016 #39

By your own logic, Sanders can't win. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #40

Fairytale and rainbows. All Clinton supporters will joyously get on board with Sanders seabeyond Jun 2016 #42

Well, that's the funny thing. If Sanders had won the nomination, the vast majority of Clinton TwilightZone Jun 2016 #47

Nobody needs Bernie MaggieD Jun 2016 #58

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!! Totally irrelevant! leftofcool Jun 2016 #71

Really, the winner should get down on her knees to beg for the loser's support? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #94

Act like an adult. !!! Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #8

Good advice. Let's hope he does that. But unfortunately his remarks yesterday don't indicate... George II Jun 2016 #10

It certainly is arrogant, dissing the party four decades then stepping in to "fix" us. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #13

No, you have it wrong. She must act like no other nominee ever and bow and scrape to the loser. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #36

Perhaps she can tell Bernie what she told the Wall Street thieves in 2007... KansDem Jun 2016 #41

Another thread advocating unity and reconciliation. gordianot Jun 2016 #44

This isn't merely about the nomination, Beowulf Jun 2016 #46

Poison the well you'll be drinking from - TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #48

And don't forget to kneel! Also, never make eye contact with herself. Scuba Jun 2016 #50

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #55

taking a page from the HRC supporters here.... after the 16th this won't be allowed HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #56

Nor will it be necessary MaggieD Jun 2016 #59

...relevance... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #65

She is not the nominee until the convention delegates vote Omaha Steve Jun 2016 #61

Idiots!!! SmittynMo Jun 2016 #63

Hillary had/has a voter turn our problem? Are you sure of that? n/t Sheepshank Jun 2016 #84

I'm pretty sure you missed the point SmittynMo Jun 2016 #100

Calling adults who want votes and ideas to restructure this party as children is Republican talk. ancianita Jun 2016 #66

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author Mr Maru Jun 2016 #88

ya know you could just shorthand it and resurrect #bowdownbernie azurnoir Jun 2016 #87

He should come out more strongly for gun control or GTFO. bettyellen Jun 2016 #91

More advice to Sanders when meeting with Hillary on Tuesday. Chan790 Jun 2016 #95

why would sanders listen to advice from someone who despises him, all of his supporters, and Doctor_J Jun 2016 #99

Because he is a team player SmittynMo Jun 2016 #101

advice to bean. Stop being so bitter and hateful. It's unhealthy, bean old friend. cali Jun 2016 #102

Last sentence is good advice. To the poster. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #103

And then apologize to each Clinton supporter personally. Orsino Jun 2016 #105

I am sure he will take your advice to heart. Rex Jun 2016 #113

That is some damn fine advice... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #114