2016 Postmortem

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159. Guess what, the ideas are out there now!!!

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:38 AM

Jun 2016

People will know that it is ridiculous in the MOST wealthy nation, that we can't do things the rest of the world can. That my child have to compete on a global market with another peer in another country where they have "free" education, acces to healthcare, better worker protections, a sense of a happier existence in life... So, if I lived in Germany, my kid is staring on maybe 1st or 2nd base, but in America, the kid hasn't even gotten out of the dugout, and will have a hard time getting out onto that field as long as they have massive amounts of student loan debts or medical debts.

Don't tell us we have money for war, but can't fix a pot hole. Don't tell us we need more fracking when solar is cheaper than that dirty process! Don't say, we can't, when this country literally went to the damned moon. Fuck the wealthy and multinational corporations trying to enslave everyone else in misery WITH their paid for politicians.

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Does Hillary Clinton need Sanders voters? [View all] ThinkCritically Jun 2016 OP

Are you a Hillary supporter? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #1

I am a Bernie supporter, but I will be voting for her in November. ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #2

I'll be voting for her too, though I had hoped for and supported Bernie. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #3

I'm worried about the BoBs. ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #5

Genuine BoBs are going to vote for the non-establishment candidate no matter who it is. Most... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #6

and some don't live in swing states. Cobalt Violet Jun 2016 #38

And some have voted 3rd party before Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #98

they will go Johnson most likely swhisper1 Jun 2016 #102

Doubtful. If they vote third party it will be green Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #126

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #167

We're liberal, not libertarian. Do you even know the difference? Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #169

The way Trump is going, he's going to scare so many Republicans that it could be possible. I think kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #53

I don't think you can categorize all independents with the BoBs brush Jun 2016 #62

And Republicans with even a smidgen of sense and sanity will vote against Trump. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #173

Dem Party is shrinking fast. Depends. 75% of what? MaeScott Jun 2016 #69

true, I am leaving this party in July swhisper1 Jun 2016 #105

Don't be so disappointed a movement is building. It would have been nice if the Democratic Party Live and Learn Jun 2016 #168

I believe Bernie is the roots Go Vols Jun 2016 #170

It wasn't always this way and this place was a great respite during the Bush era. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #171

plenty of sanders supporters will vote for her. she will beat trump. Vattel Jun 2016 #4

She can do without the malcontents who have laundry lists of demands. oasis Jun 2016 #7

you just couldn't help yourself, could you? 2banon Jun 2016 #11

feel better? 840high Jun 2016 #118

Monday will be my "feel better" day, but thanks for asking. oasis Jun 2016 #119

So unnecessary. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #133

What's "unnecessary" is for the winner, Hillary, to think she has oasis Jun 2016 #141

Then Hillary will continue to divide the Democratic Party at her own peril. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #144

Real Democrats will support Hillary. She'll get Independents and oasis Jun 2016 #145

Obviously, malcontents can sit out - won't be me - but, why not minimize the risk of unnecessary malcontentism?! Surely, that makes the most sense. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #146

Bernie needs to start playing ball now. We won. He's the one oasis Jun 2016 #147

The primary is over. NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #8

That's not true. ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #15

There was no snark ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #17

I'm noticing that phrases like "this is an honest question" or "I'm just curious" are used ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #44

Well said PJMcK Jun 2016 #52

So your answer is ... GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #75

This ^^^^ Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #82

I don't think she will lose 25% if Sanders chooses Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #9

The interesting thing is that we really don't know how many votes Clinton received in the primary. peace13 Jun 2016 #37

You should add also that we don't know how many votes Sanders received . . . brush Jun 2016 #63

LOL Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #106

What's with the LOL? Re-read my post. I'm with the nominee. brush Jun 2016 #114

Sorry, I jumped to conclusions. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #117

The state you're thinking of is Washington strategery blunder Jun 2016 #120

2states where Sanders won the caucaus and she won the primaries DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #124

Thank you. I completely forgot about Nebraska. brush Jun 2016 #136

She received over 15 million votes. We know that. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #87

Guess what, the ideas are out there now!!! glowing Jun 2016 #159

Clinton won the votes of poor and middle class Democrats Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #161

Did I say "Clinton", no, I said politicians... Who is in charge of Congress right now? glowing Jun 2016 #163

Congress controls Legislation. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #164

Only the ones that are going to vote for her anyway, which is the bulk of them. LLStarks Jun 2016 #104

Rabies swhisper1 Jun 2016 #107

she's already got most of them except hardcore and thos pesky millennials & Indies msongs Jun 2016 #10

pesky milennials DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #154

I honestly think that moderate Republicans will be voting for her as well .. she'll get my vote yes. YOHABLO Jun 2016 #12

Let's just hope.. Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #57

Keep on dreaming. Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #99

She already got about 60% of them just by winning the primary. So if you're waiting for someone to LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #13

TPTB will NEVER allow Trump to get near the Situation Room. 2banon Jun 2016 #14

Why do you think lancer78 Jun 2016 #149

He doesn't have any staff? wow! 2banon Jun 2016 #160

Mrs. Tur lancer78 Jun 2016 #162

She needs a majority, which I believe she already has. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #16

Only 6 states have more than 50% registered Dems pat_k Jun 2016 #18

Bernie doesn't have special appeal to independents except for those who usually pnwmom Jun 2016 #21

"with 75% of the democratic party" pat_k Jun 2016 #23

I disagree with the idea that Bernie or Bust people are 25% of the party. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #24

The OP asks "without Sanders supporters" -- that means all of them. pat_k Jun 2016 #28

What might she do that would be a big f-u to all Sanders supporters? pnwmom Jun 2016 #29

Say what so many people seem to want her to say. pat_k Jun 2016 #30

She has been saying the opposite. She says she will work hard for them pnwmom Jun 2016 #32

So? I didn't say she would. pat_k Jun 2016 #34

self-delete pnwmom Jun 2016 #35

22% of Sanders supporters are planning to vote for Trump creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #125

And back in '08 pat_k Jun 2016 #131

And yet Obama won handily. Actual Democrats end up voting for the nominee, strange as it seems. Hekate Jun 2016 #174

last poll said 20% wouldn't vote for her DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #140

That's less than '08 numbers for Hillary supporters. pat_k Jun 2016 #143

no, the 25% arent Busters, they just are anti Hillary, cant swallow that pill swhisper1 Jun 2016 #109

And that will change after the convention Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #100

By November she'll get enough of them to win. robbedvoter Jun 2016 #19

Are Sanders voters okay with a President Trump? pnwmom Jun 2016 #20

why would you think that? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #112

Because if enough of them withhold their votes from Trump's pnwmom Jun 2016 #121

oh, I see swhisper1 Jun 2016 #122

Don't know but it doesn't appear like it azurnoir Jun 2016 #22

Possibly Buzz cook Jun 2016 #25

Seems as Hillary and her campaign don't think so, they haven't shown much interest in Bernie voters One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #26

The Democratic party and the HRC campaign seem to need him less each day Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #27

Is it just a coincidence that 50% of registered voters feel their party no longer represents B Calm Jun 2016 #45

He didn't even get 50% of the voters. only part were dems and only 44 of the whole DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #128

It's no coincidence, because it's headed by blue dogs now MaeScott Jun 2016 #137

we should work together MFM008 Jun 2016 #31

She'll win in a landslide. Kentonio Jun 2016 #33

A good portion of her platform is... Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #56

They need her. The whole country does. pnwmom Jun 2016 #36

Are any of these things on Hillary's platform? Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #84

well, she did lip service but she also said in 7 yrs, or we "cant". I never heard policy tho swhisper1 Jun 2016 #116

Yes, they are, and have been from the start. Plus immigration reform within 100 hunder days lunamagica Jun 2016 #153

no, we will see if she enacts these things, meanwhile, the real needs are not being spoken about swhisper1 Jun 2016 #176

congress isnt going to do anything he wants, it would threaten their donors swhisper1 Jun 2016 #113

No, she doesn't. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #39

Does Trump pay well? Vinca Jun 2016 #40

It's what has been repeated here all to often. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #41

Hillary no, Democratic Party yes. B Calm Jun 2016 #42

A lot of her supporters seem to think so. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #43

If you don't see a problem with a President tRump or don't feel you need to stop it ... then yeah, SFnomad Jun 2016 #48

I see a problem with Trump. That's not the point. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #60

FFS, the BS cheerleaders have been acting like spoiled children around here ... SFnomad Jun 2016 #64

And Hillary supporters have been acting more like poor winners than even the Dallas Cowboys. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #65

You know, you're going to find out you're just as immaterial as the PUMAs were in 2008 SFnomad Jun 2016 #67

I've voted Democrat since I was first able to in 1972, no matter how hopeless the chances hobbit709 Jun 2016 #68

I'll just consider the source for that n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #73

I'm not giving you any singing lessons. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #74

Being that you're a One Note Charlie, I wouldn't expect you to n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #76

Unlike the continuous drone you put out. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #78

I'm sorry that you find hearing the truth "continuous droning" n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #79

Truth? From you? hobbit709 Jun 2016 #80

Yeah, that's what the truth looks like, sounds like you haven't heard the truth in a long while n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #90

Q.E.D. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #91

And you have a hidden post too ... do you have a point? SFnomad Jun 2016 #92

8 is a bit more than 1. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #93

And I explained why ... but whatever, you've revealed enough of yourself ... buh bye n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #94

it goes both ways DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #130

This is about Hillary NOT Trump ... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #86

Basing your vote for Hillary on the actions of her supporters is the most stupid thing I've ever SFnomad Jun 2016 #89

I hope not because I doubt she will get the hard core Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #46

She's 12 points ahead of Trump. I'd say she already sufrommich Jun 2016 #47

She needs the sane, rational ones. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #49

Not to win, no. I do think she needs more of them to earn a mandate. MadBadger Jun 2016 #50

Oh FFS, now winning isn't enough, we have to have some "mandate" SFnomad Jun 2016 #54

You don't HAVE to have a mandate MadBadger Jun 2016 #55

A Democratic candidate could win with 80% of the vote and Republicans would still try to SFnomad Jun 2016 #58

It helps to win the Senate and the House and the larger the win the more likely... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #103

The Bernie or Busters make up a small percentage of Sanders supporters. You can't judge by Trust Buster Jun 2016 #51

22% of Sanders voters are planning to vote for Trump creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #127

And that should tell you everything you need to know about that 22%........LOL Trust Buster Jun 2016 #134

Some, but by no means all, of them. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #59

ThinkCritically�Yes. CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #61

Yes, she'll need every vote she can get TDale313 Jun 2016 #66

I think most Sanders supporters will vote for our nominee. That's how politics works. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #70

The vast majority of Sanders supporters will vote for her. MineralMan Jun 2016 #71

That psyops just won't work this time. MaeScott Jun 2016 #138

:shrug: MineralMan Jun 2016 #139

She needs Democratic votes. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #72

Judging by the HRC supporters responses ... GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #77

Absolutely not! yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #81

It doesn't matter whether she needs them or not, kiva Jun 2016 #83

If she does she's in serious trouble. nt Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #85

With how many times they've said they don't? VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #88

+1 vintx Jun 2016 #96

Watch the convention and platform for a preliminary answer. Orsino Jun 2016 #95

Nah. HRC supporters here say they don't want us, they don't need us 2banon Jun 2016 #97

depends. If Trump is the opponent, yes she can, unless she puts her foot wrong swhisper1 Jun 2016 #101

Mrs. Clinton does need Senator Sanders supporters and she knows it! akbacchus_BC Jun 2016 #108

Answer" Hillary Clinton HAS Sanders voters. brooklynite Jun 2016 #110

She'll get enough of them. She's going to win in a landslide either way. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #111

She either needs Bernie voters or conservatives to win DJ13 Jun 2016 #115

Your OP thread is contradictory DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #123

Do Sanders supporters need the Democratic nominee? lol. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #129

She will if the RNC scuttles trump and installs Kaisch... eom Purveyor Jun 2016 #132

I think at present there is more a reach for the Bush Republicans than for Sanders supporters. EndElectoral Jun 2016 #135

Yes, we need Sanders' supporters, just like Obama needed Hillary's supporters. Beacool Jun 2016 #142

Actually... ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #151

Hillary Clinton says that she's against the TPP. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #152

I think the problem is... chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #155

"Frankly my dear... 99Forever Jun 2016 #148

Really, does it matter? frustrated_lefty Jun 2016 #150

we need ALL the voters....novemeber election MUST be a Crushing defeat of conservatives beachbum bob Jun 2016 #156

Trump is a ludicrous opponent AND the Johnson Weld ticket has about 10% of the right wing vote merrily Jun 2016 #157

It galls me to say so but probably not. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #158

Put Senator Warren on the ticket Gothmog Jun 2016 #165

She needs most of those who voted for Obama. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #166

Many of us Sanders supporters will support the Dem nominee in November tblue37 Jun 2016 #172

I think she needs more than 75%, and I think she already has it. Adrahil Jun 2016 #175