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2016 Postmortem

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merrily

(45,251 posts)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:13 AM Jul 2016

The hypocrisy of MSBNC re: the Melania Trump plagiarism. [View all]

First, let me say that plagiarism is wrong and, even though a speechwriter was likely involved, both Melania and Donald Trump were remiss. This post does not overlook or dismiss any of that. However, maybe twenty or more threads on those topics have already been started here since last night. And the fact that they were wrong does not make MSNBC right. So, I am taking a different approach than most other OPs about the plagiarism have taken.

We heard from MSNBC a lot of consternation about the plagiarism. O'Donnell refused to let Melania off the hook, even if a speechwriter wrote the speech, saying something like, "There is responsibility for the spoken word." I agree with that. Chris Matthews, who, once again, seems to have found his inner Republican, however, disagreed, saying Trump did nothing wrong; Melania did nothing wrong. One person and one person alone was responsible and that person not only should be fired, but should never work again.

After Matthews said that, O'Donnell dropped his claim that Melania was also responsible for speaking the words. I think there is responsibility in both Melania and Donald Trump. At the same time, plagiarism, which is likely also copyright violation, is not all that different from bigotry or from making up stuff and trying to pass it off in print or on air as real.

On the same panel as O'Donnell, Maddow and Matthews sat Brian Williams. We all remember why Williams is currently "earning" his contracted for ten million dollars a year at MSBNC these days, rather than as NBC's nightly news anchor, for which that ten mil is more commensurate.

Then, there is Mike Barnicle:

Boston Globe controversy

In 1998, Barnicle resigned from The Boston Globe amid a controversy over two columns, written three years apart. The first column of more than 80 lines of humorous observations had a few lines that bore similarity to jokes in the 1997 book Brain Droppings by George Carlin.[7] In a subsequent Globe review of all of Barnicle's many years of work, a second column was called into question. The October 8, 1995 column recounted the story of two sets of parents with cancer-stricken children. When one of the children died, the parents of the other child, who had begun to recover, sent the dead child's parents a check for $10,000. When the Globe could not locate the people who had not been publicly identified, Barnicle insisted nonetheless that the story was true. He said he did not obtain the story from the parents but from a nurse, whom he declined to identify. Mrs. Patricia Shairs later contacted the Globe to indicate that the story Barnicle wrote was about her family, although she said some of the facts were incorrect.[8]
1998–present

Six months after his resignation from the Globe, the New York Daily News recruited Barnicle to write for them, and later the Boston Herald .[9] Barnicle told reporters that he had nothing but "fond feelings for 25 years at the Globe".[9] Barnicle hosted a radio show three times a week called Barnicle's View.[10]

Barnicle has since become a staple on MSNBC,[11] including on Morning Joe as well as on specials on breaking news topics and the upcoming presidential election of 2016.
Barnicle has interviewed all the candidates in the current run for the White House and many of those interviews and his commentary on the election cycle can be found at MikeBarnicleon2016.com.[12]

Barnicle is a devoted baseball fan and was interviewed in Ken Burns's film Baseball in The Tenth Inning movie, where he mostly commented on the 2003–2004 Boston Red Sox.[13] He has also been featured in TV documentaries and programs, including Fabulous Fenway: America's Legendary Ballpark (2000); City of Champions: The Best of Boston Sports (2005); ESPN 25: Who's #1 (2005); Reverse of the Curse of the Bambino (2004); The Curse of the Bambino (2003); ESPN Sports Century (2000); Baseball (1994); and in the TV series Prime 9 (2010–2011) for MLB Network.[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Barnicle

And, some of us remember when MSNBC treated Pat Buchanan like the pope of politics, trotting him out, program after program, on both MSNBC and NBC, with little to zero push back at anything Buchanan said coming from program anchors or hosts. To the contrary, Buchanan was treated as THE expert among experts. Despite many protests from viewers about Buchanan's racism and xenophobia, MSNBC did not get rid of him until after release of Buchanan's second openly xenophobic book. (Sad to say, PBS has long broadcast the McLaughlin Group, where Buchanan pontificates bloviates comments about politics.)

So, Mr. Matthews, maybe you are correct. Maybe the speechwriter responsible for Melania Trump's speech should never work again. However, if you believe that, perhaps you should be railing at the head of NBC News, your very own boss, too. Somehow, I don't think you ever did that, though. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8025535




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Joe Biden was caught plagiarizing (a very long time ago) and Trump used it to attack him. joshcryer Jul 2016 #1
I didn't know Melania had issued a statement on this? merrily Jul 2016 #5
I am anticipating as well. joshcryer Jul 2016 #7
So, Melania has said nothing yet and the following was just you anticipating what she would say: merrily Jul 2016 #9
The campaign has doubled down. joshcryer Jul 2016 #34
Melania spoke to Matt Laurer prior to giving her speech and said that she had written it. Sheepshank Jul 2016 #42
Please see Reply 59. merrily Jul 2016 #58
I was replying to your statement that Melania has said nothing (post #9) Sheepshank Jul 2016 #62
The attack on him was shown to have been plagerized... scscholar Jul 2016 #29
Huh? Biden admitted his faults. joshcryer Jul 2016 #35
Honestly I don't care. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #2
You can bet one thing, the frenzy would be different if Hillary or Bill did this. nt glennward Jul 2016 #3
? There has been A LOT of frenzy about the plagiarism on MSNBC, both last night and this morning. merrily Jul 2016 #6
Lawl joshcryer Jul 2016 #8
The MSNBC panel talked about it non stop last night and the Morning Joe panel is doing the same. merrily Jul 2016 #10
Not even her entire speech? kcr Jul 2016 #28
Take a step back. joshcryer Jul 2016 #36
Keith Olbermann might have a few choice words. + Tim Russert, R.I.P. vegetarian x Jul 2016 #21
There's something very off about Trump SticksnStones Jul 2016 #4
I am not compariing pundits with Presidential candidates. merrily Jul 2016 #12
Fair enough then SticksnStones Jul 2016 #16
It is actually pretty tricky to avoid copying someone else. bemildred Jul 2016 #11
why? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #26
It won't move the political needle a bit is why. bemildred Jul 2016 #32
completely agree that this one item will not move the needle Sheepshank Jul 2016 #43
Something which may, in the future, move the needle hardly seems like a fact. bemildred Jul 2016 #44
so ignore any and all negative single events because by themselves they don't move the needle? Sheepshank Jul 2016 #46
No ignore ones that won't do any good. Take the high road. nt bemildred Jul 2016 #47
so you "know" this won't do any good? really, you "know"? Sheepshank Jul 2016 #48
Have a nice day. nt bemildred Jul 2016 #50
I disagree Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #63
He has been up there blathering for quite a while now, and it has not been good for our side. nt bemildred Jul 2016 #65
I'd agree, if there was a speechwriter in common. joshcryer Jul 2016 #37
You think it's not tricky to avoid copying someone when writing a speech full of political cliches? bemildred Jul 2016 #41
Um... no. It's actually quite simple to avoid copying others. You do it by not copying others. Squinch Jul 2016 #52
I saw a statement that said the words were personal to her greymattermom Jul 2016 #13
It may mean that a campaign spokesperson was throwing Melania under the bus. merrily Jul 2016 #14
party activists will throw themselves under the bus geek tragedy Jul 2016 #15
I'm not getting how your post relates to someone in Trump's campaign possibly throwing merrily Jul 2016 #18
the point is that they are covering their own asses and putting blame on Trump and even geek tragedy Jul 2016 #19
Thanks. People working for a campaign usually want to keep merrily Jul 2016 #20
They usually want their candidate to win, above all other things. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #23
A Duer suggested this could have been intentional sabotage. merrily Jul 2016 #24
the plagiarism was so obvious it was almost like they wanted to get caught geek tragedy Jul 2016 #25
Weeeellll, she said a few words similar to a few words in Astley's one hit. merrily Jul 2016 #30
Not rickrolling? joshcryer Jul 2016 #38
Please look at the link I provided in the post to which you are replying. Thanks. merrily Jul 2016 #61
Glad to hear it. nt Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #27
It's a possibility, not a certainty. merrily Jul 2016 #31
I mean that that the story is being covered. NT Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #64
There is no hypocrisy there at all oberliner Jul 2016 #17
I think a major network news anchor making up stuff is just as embarrassing as plagiarism. Same for merrily Jul 2016 #22
Did you accidentally post this on DU instead of the other "progressive" site cosmicone Jul 2016 #33
Probably. joshcryer Jul 2016 #39
Ding ding ding rbrnmw Jul 2016 #40
Please read the OP past the title. merrily Jul 2016 #60
The problem with your theory is that Melania is totally responsible for this fiasco CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #45
? The Op says Trump and Melania are responsible, whether or not a speechwriter was involved. merrily Jul 2016 #57
Either she plagiarized or she LIED TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #49
Nope, it wasn't a speechwriter CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #51
So you think saying that she wrote with very little help TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #53
Wrong, she lied and plagiarized CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #55
With a little help. However, my OP says the buck stops with her and Trump, no matter what. merrily Jul 2016 #59
The indicaters of doubling down tirebiter Jul 2016 #54
Oh, BS! CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #56
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