2016 Postmortem

s-cubed

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43. Daily Kos: not safe, she's going for a rout.

Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:16 AM

Jul 2016

Before buying into the safe meme, you might look at this article.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/22/1551239/-Kaine-Is-Not-Safe-Pick-Hillary-Is-Going-For-A-Rout

I was originally blah about Kaine, until I learned more of his background. Personally anti abortion, yet 100% from Planned Parenthood. He is a genuine progressive. His anti bank regulation is about the burden on credit unions and small banks, not the big banks. He hates the NRA, And the feeling is mutual. He is genuine, one of the attributes Bernie has. I am glad that HRC will have Warren, Booker, Brown, in the Senate instead of a Repub appointed replacement. Really check him out before you pan him.

He was my governor during the VA Tech shootings: he responds well in a cresis, caring about the people involved, and seeking solutions to help fix problems.

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The Left’s Beef With Tim Kaine: Bernie’s supporters see a rebuke in Clinton's ‘safe’ VP pick [View all] John Poet Jul 2016 OP

Bernie supports Hillary and will strongly support the entire ticket over Trumpenstein. Case closed. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #1

Yup. Literally 90% of his followers will vote for her Hortensis Jul 2016 #20

Exactly. Andy823 Jul 2016 #25

BlueDye's familiar with the "withholding of approval" Hortensis Jul 2016 #39

SO.SPOT.ON! Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #55

Your own "concern" for party unity is duly noted. Armstead Jul 2016 #118

These people are a nightmare lillypaddle Jul 2016 #138

I hate it when they say "Bernie Sander Supporters" like it's ALL of them. All of the Sanders kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #88

That small group kind of seems like a cult. TeacherB87 Jul 2016 #112

Exactly. tecelote Jul 2016 #140

Primary is over...isn't it? Let's win this thing!! nt glennward Jul 2016 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Jul 2016 #3

But they simply hate Clinton bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #4

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #7

I tend to speak my mind bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #8

Well, that's very nice. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #15

Yes, I will stop speaking for you or whatever bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #17

Lots of us don't "absolutely hate her", John Poet Jul 2016 #10

I actually agree with you obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #12

Yeap... Fuck purist auhtoritarians... They'll never be happy uponit7771 Jul 2016 #13

Yes, but, Bluedye, "they" don't hate Clinton at all. 80% like her, Hortensis Jul 2016 #22

The game of withholding approval bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #23

That doesn't sound good, Bluedye. Hortensis Jul 2016 #26

Yep. I'm a therapist and deal with a lot of those people. They wonder why they can't get along with kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #96

Hillary needs to lead the fight against Trumps fascism: She needs a nice white guy! lewebley3 Jul 2016 #51

You are correct kevink077 Jul 2016 #82

Don't lump all Sanders supporters together. Most are voting Clinton in Nov. There's a small kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #92

Why would Bernie's fans think that? Not everything ... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #5

Trump would understand, even if you can't. Hortensis Jul 2016 #27

I have the feeling that the writer has one friend or source who is a die-hard anti-Clinton Sanders kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #102

I'll be voting for the ticket, against Trump. John Poet Jul 2016 #6

"...but I guess they had other priorities." ~~ Yeah: Winning. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #21

Good post! Let's hope it clears up the misunderstanding. Hortensis Jul 2016 #30

good post! Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #99

Yep, your response kind of reinforces what was said in the article: John Poet Jul 2016 #124

You're very welcome. I'm glad I could be of assistance. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #139

Hillary HAS solidified support from the left. Hortensis Jul 2016 #24

Hillary has already solidified support from the left. You are voting for her, and so am I. She has Squinch Jul 2016 #91

Fuck the purist authoritarians ... They usually never live up to their own standards and in this... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #9

Fuck the non-purist authoritarians! John Poet Jul 2016 #14

Non purist authoritarian is somewhat of an oxymoxymoin this context uponit7771 Jul 2016 #34

As Governor Kaine signed into law the Marshall-Newman Amendment, which defined Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #41

Did Kaines views on gay marriage evolve any? Yes they did and you know it !!. See, this shit... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #44

Thank you LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #75

Sshhh, your "purist authoritarianism" is showing. JudyM Jul 2016 #45

No, peoples bullshit fucked up ass'd intentions are showing by stating a false narrative about a... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #47

Staying on the right side since their early years impresses you less than someone who JudyM Jul 2016 #70

Many people have evolved on the issue of gay marriage, including both candidates annavictorious Jul 2016 #109

The point is that it is not *more* progressive to evolve than it is to have started early on JudyM Jul 2016 #123

Is that his current position? thucythucy Jul 2016 #46

+1, they don't give a fuck about stating his CURRENT position just pushing a false narrative about uponit7771 Jul 2016 #49

It was not Kaine's position THEN! He campaigned against the amendment csziggy Jul 2016 #129

Thank you for this info. nt thucythucy Jul 2016 #142

I am a proud lesbian female and i have ZERO problems with Sen. Kaine as the VP Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #94

Obama was against same-sex marriage too at one point. Squinch Jul 2016 #95

So there's a bit more to that than you are letting on... SaschaHM Jul 2016 #100

#14 - FALSE! It was a voter initiative and Kaine did not sign anything csziggy Jul 2016 #127

57% of the voters in Virginia voted for the Marshall-Newman amendment charlyvi Jul 2016 #136

Purists cost Democrats elections and are pretty useless...can't depend on them. nt Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #53

"Non-purist" is a kind way to say it. JudyM Jul 2016 #69

uponit7771—Thank you for telling progressives how the Democratic Party should feel! CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #135

WE ARE GOOD TO GO! Her Sister Jul 2016 #11

I don't necessarily see this as so much DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #16

Where does this number come from? Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #18

Sanders won't be on the ballot in November so comradebillyboy Jul 2016 #40

True, I get sucked into their narrative at times. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #52

That number grows all the time. I think it's up to eleventy billion by now. Squinch Jul 2016 #97

LOL! Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #114

We should definitely not count on it. Squinch Jul 2016 #115

The ones who will not vote for her now GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #19

Exactly right. I agree with every word you posted. nt auntpurl Jul 2016 #33

I agree with you. No real Bernie supporter would help Trump. nt Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #54

^^^AMEN to this!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #59

A rebuke? No. Android3.14 Jul 2016 #28

Read up on Senator Kaine, please. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #32

Android3.14—Yeah, but if any voter wants to kiss a v.p. nominee, Tim’s the one! CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #134

Oh the drama rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #29

+1000! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #50

At some point people need to get over the primary. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #31

Agreed GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #36

they will be fighting it for the next decade plus, even after Hillary steamrolls Trump Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #101

Again, let's point out that the 'pure' progressives desperately wanted a former Republican as VP. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author G_j Jul 2016 #65

You are correct GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #71

Thank you G_j Jul 2016 #72

Kaine was not my choice, but Bernie supporters have to fucking get over it. Adrahil Jul 2016 #37

Sad, but not much of choice we have. It's either her or Mussolini. B Calm Jul 2016 #62

Warren was my choice.... Adrahil Jul 2016 #130

Can we please please have at least a day or maybe even two if you could be that generous, John Poet Jul 2016 #125

Well, if you aren't throwing tantrums... Adrahil Jul 2016 #131

Nobody seems to be losing their shit in this thread, except for a bunch John Poet Jul 2016 #132

I wasn't speaking to anyone in particular. Adrahil Jul 2016 #144

Shouldn't that headline read "Some Bernie supporters" thucythucy Jul 2016 #42

That's what I think. The writer is just trying to agitate and create a story KittyWampus Jul 2016 #60

Daily Kos: not safe, she's going for a rout. s-cubed Jul 2016 #43

As for the disgruntled folks among Bernie supporters. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2016 #63

I was hoping she would put the unification of the party first in B Calm Jul 2016 #48

In my opinion, those who are not united now will never seek unification. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #58

That's what the platform was for. She gave plenty of ground there in the name of unity. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #64

It's not about HER ibegurpard Jul 2016 #67

If it isn't about her, as was implied, what are the holdouts doing to unite the party? CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #68

Candidates in the past when coming out of the convention use to B Calm Jul 2016 #79

Did the platform mean nothing? We kept being told that was of HUGE importance. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #81

Warren will be lon campaign trail Gothmog Jul 2016 #56

I think this particular politico article is just a writer stirring the pot. KittyWampus Jul 2016 #57

No, say it ain't so...click bait? Surely, that can't be the case??? [sarc] Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #61

And most of the ratfuckers okasha Jul 2016 #120

it wasn't a safe pick ibegurpard Jul 2016 #66

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #73

News cycles. auntpurl Jul 2016 #77

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #78

Yeah, I think that's the general idea (re: cooling off). auntpurl Jul 2016 #80

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #83

I won't defend DWS. auntpurl Jul 2016 #90

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #93

I am American. I live in the UK. I'm from Philadelphia. auntpurl Jul 2016 #98

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #104

Of course I'm voting for Hillary. auntpurl Jul 2016 #106

Some Sanders supporters LoverOfLiberty Jul 2016 #74

Tim Kaine is a good person. The greatest concern raised by his presence on the ticket is that he Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #76

Mike Pence doesn't exactly scream "anti-establishment". Arkana Jul 2016 #87

I'm sure that Sanders supporters will vote for Clinton-Kaine Mister Twilight Jul 2016 #84

The people saying this didn't like Hillary before she picked Kaine, Arkana Jul 2016 #85

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #107

Not just Bernie Supporters... I see it as a rebuke of Progressivism JCMach1 Jul 2016 #86

There is no upside to this pick ibegurpard Jul 2016 #105

Exactly JCMach1 Jul 2016 #116

The Democratic establishment appears to be begging for a third party movement to gain traction. jalan48 Jul 2016 #89

Based on the little I know about Kaine, I am disappointed ... but KPN Jul 2016 #103

Obama surprised the hell out of me. auntpurl Jul 2016 #108

We shall see. KPN Jul 2016 #117

The Left has no Beef With Tim Kaine. stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #110

well you know....bernie did lose.....and his supporters can either support hillary or let trump win beachbum bob Jul 2016 #111

I (like every other bernie supporter I know) am totally behind the fishwax Jul 2016 #113

The attitudes on this thread are not encouraging for kumbaya Armstead Jul 2016 #119

Yep. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #121

There is a small but vocal group of alleged progressives okasha Jul 2016 #122

Anyone that upset over a VP pick is being ridiculous. I never get upset or particularly excited stevenleser Jul 2016 #126

They are beyond tiresome already. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #128

Guess which one has a higher CPAC rating Renew Deal Jul 2016 #133

ok so i would have loved MFM008 Jul 2016 #137

Surely if Bernie Sanders himself enthusiastically endorses the ticket, Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #141

The left is over half of the American poltical spectrum. And we are going to elect Tim Kaine VP. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #143