2016 Postmortem

Chicago1980

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177. So it's Hillary Clintons fault that a status of forces agreement couldn't be renegotiated?

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Tue Oct 4, 2016, 08:51 PM

Oct 2016

They wanted us the hell out of their country on the original agreed upon time.

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***** LIVE stream 2016 Vice Presidential Debate - Thread I ***** [View all] Coyotl Oct 2016 OP

Do vadermike Oct 2016 #1

This VP debate is the only time some voters will see Pence until he runs in 2020.. Coyotl Oct 2016 #2

Rarely and marginally. Mondale may have helped Carter win in 1976. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #4

Palin was a wake up call to America. Coyotl Oct 2016 #12

It might this time, since since Kaine will only be president if something happens to Hillary... JHB Oct 2016 #11

Until Trump gets impeached Retrograde Oct 2016 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author maryellen99 Oct 2016 #3

My clock says 6:00 here in Oregon, we have a split screen ans music, and it begins. Coyotl Oct 2016 #5

Anybody going to keep up with Trump's live tweeting? nolabear Oct 2016 #6

Wonder if Bernie is going to be tweeting??? a kennedy Oct 2016 #9

Trump's probably holding Pence's family Marthe48 Oct 2016 #10

*snort!* nolabear Oct 2016 #14

I bet it isn't Trump himself, but a group of people impersonating him. Coyotl Oct 2016 #21

I am TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #51

Benghazi! Misspelled Bengazi! TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #69

I have NO idea who Elaine Quijano is. nolabear Oct 2016 #7

Here ya go ailsagirl Oct 2016 #58

A moderator willing to rein them in when they talk over each other. Maybe some of the tblue37 Oct 2016 #134

Here we go! femmocrat Oct 2016 #8

Oh, they get to sit down. I rather like that. riversedge Oct 2016 #13

ah....Kaine has the power tie. chillfactor Oct 2016 #15

Love this: misterhighwasted Oct 2016 #16

That IS nice. nolabear Oct 2016 #22

First question's actually about them. Go Tim! nolabear Oct 2016 #17

Good answer. Multifaceted and humanizes the platform. nolabear Oct 2016 #18

Answer the question Tim. N/t TCJ70 Oct 2016 #19

I really don't know why they don't give them opening statements at this point. SaschaHM Oct 2016 #25

Yeah Danmel Oct 2016 #27

Oh, he did. nt msanthrope Oct 2016 #29

I agree... I thought he was going to say that (the young woman) founded Longwood University! femmocrat Oct 2016 #32

Yeah, he seems to be rambling Retrograde Oct 2016 #94

Kaine has red tie (Hillary had red pantsuit); Pence has blue tie-as did dumpy trump. riversedge Oct 2016 #20

Tim Kaine = old pro. Nye Bevan Oct 2016 #23

Pence looks like Mr. Kaine is making him ill Marthe48 Oct 2016 #24

Pence: I won't have to jump in on a moment's notice... JHB Oct 2016 #26

When Pence speake, I'm flipping the channel to the Toronto/Baltimore Game. misterhighwasted Oct 2016 #46

Hmmm...Pence is good at this. He creeps me out but he's good at it. nolabear Oct 2016 #28

Great intro by Kaine. Now he's taking notes ecstatic Oct 2016 #30

And he's a lefty. Chicago1980 Oct 2016 #130

This is going to be a "boring" debate. BlueStater Oct 2016 #31

Tim was awesome in his first reply! MoonRiver Oct 2016 #33

Kaine says he and his wife trust Hillary Clinton and trust her with their son in the Marines. #VPDe riversedge Oct 2016 #34

Pence can't control Trump as a candidate. avebury Oct 2016 #35

Pence is a BULLSHITTER. RBInMaine Oct 2016 #36

Truth. N/t TCJ70 Oct 2016 #44

What a bullshitter Pence is. RBInMaine Oct 2016 #133

Pence is putting people to sleep Renew Deal Oct 2016 #37

huh..... what happened, you woke me up still_one Oct 2016 #62

Welp, right to the trust thing. Might as well go there. nolabear Oct 2016 #38

He is! MoonRiver Oct 2016 #41

The War on Coal. OMG. Climate Change Denial, that's why you are cool? Coyotl Oct 2016 #39

pence is shaking his head like a dog following a treat bettyellen Oct 2016 #40

and making faces as well chillfactor Oct 2016 #71

I have a migraine and can't handle Island Blue Oct 2016 #42

Me too! Mme. Defarge Oct 2016 #77

The glove has been thrown down. nolabear Oct 2016 #43

Wow. Kaine didn't waste anytime pivoting from that first ecstatic Oct 2016 #45

Woooo blue cat Oct 2016 #47

Kaine is energetic and engaged. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2016 #48

Pence on the attack.........rather than answer the question./tim is interrupting. KewlKat Oct 2016 #49

Kaine coming off strong... Satch59 Oct 2016 #50

Why is Kaine looking to the side? hamsterjill Oct 2016 #52

Kaine did not take the email bait. Perfect. Coyotl Oct 2016 #53

"You are Donald Trump's apprentice." LOL Coyotl Oct 2016 #68

Kaine is not taking shit from Team Himmler's love of Dictator Putin. Dawson Leery Oct 2016 #54

pence....."i must have hit a nerve....." KewlKat Oct 2016 #55

Who invaded Iraq? Marthe48 Oct 2016 #56

Tim- please answer the question and stop the canned responses. NBachers Oct 2016 #57

I love how the moderator is pressing Pence ecstatic Oct 2016 #59

Kaine showed up tonight Renew Deal Oct 2016 #60

Pence got nasty right off the bat. femmocrat Oct 2016 #61

How we doing Doctor Jack Oct 2016 #63

Pence is trying to build a false narrative. upaloopa Oct 2016 #64

Tim Kaine is interrupting TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #65

It is rude BUT it prevents Pence from putting his lies out there ecstatic Oct 2016 #70

Yeah...it's pretty bad. TCJ70 Oct 2016 #74

First impression... it is not working well for him. n/t demmiblue Oct 2016 #79

If the lies from Pence weren't so grave liberal N proud Oct 2016 #105

It was the "discussion" section Nevernose Oct 2016 #111

Kaine is champing at the bit. More contentious than I'd anticipated out of the gate. nolabear Oct 2016 #66

tim has grabbed the ball and is smacking pence around..........go TIM!!!! KewlKat Oct 2016 #67

I do not like Kaine interrupting Pence exboyfil Oct 2016 #72

Yeah, it is awkward. I was almost relieved when Pence interrupted him. It evened things out. StevieM Oct 2016 #164

Debate is tough to watch because they keep talking over each other Renew Deal Oct 2016 #73

Kaine started it exboyfil Oct 2016 #83

Kaine has Mikey squirming in his chair! misterhighwasted Oct 2016 #75

Kaine needs to stop butting in. He is coming across as rude. Mamajami Oct 2016 #76

agreed.... chillfactor Oct 2016 #95

Agreed. It is a little annoying, but at least Pence is doing it now too. So it doesn't look as bad. StevieM Oct 2016 #166

Tim won round 1! MoonRiver Oct 2016 #78

The moderator's voice is so soft, she can't even be heard. procon Oct 2016 #80

well enough to ask about the email Marthe48 Oct 2016 #98

Are there alot of sniffing sounds? relayerbob Oct 2016 #180

pence is a snake....he is going after hillary rather than defending drumpf. KewlKat Oct 2016 #81

STOP INTERRUPTING EACH OTHER trueblue2007 Oct 2016 #82

Problem here is that they have to in order to get a word in. nolabear Oct 2016 #91

Great start - Kaine is not letting Pence get away with lies womanofthehills Oct 2016 #84

pence is now tearing down Tim KewlKat Oct 2016 #85

Kaine pinned Pence to the mat on Iraq. Coyotl Oct 2016 #87

I dont't like it that Pence is coming avebury Oct 2016 #88

agree...i don't like it either. KewlKat Oct 2016 #92

Pence is coming across as smug n/t phylny Oct 2016 #147

Pence wants to go back to Reaganomics. liberal N proud Oct 2016 #89

That is all they have. wisteria Oct 2016 #158

If Trump knew what the term meant Marthe48 Oct 2016 #182

We're being oppressed by a "war on coal"? SHRED Oct 2016 #90

Wishing Bill hadn't given them fodder. ALBliberal Oct 2016 #93

yes. not smart elleng Oct 2016 #104

Not nefarious on Bills part but provided ALBliberal Oct 2016 #160

"The War on Coal," third mention. Again, fourth mention of "War on Coal." Coyotl Oct 2016 #96

Tim Kaine needs to be bringing up the Chinese steel that avebury Oct 2016 #97

Tweet to Pence from Hillary a few minutes ago........ riversedge Oct 2016 #99

Touche! Glimmer of Hope Oct 2016 #115

I'm not fond of that smug expression of Pence's. nolabear Oct 2016 #100

the rolling of his eyebrows is annoying riversedge Oct 2016 #106

Is Pence always going to get the question first? rainy Oct 2016 #101

Tim got the first question first...n/t TCJ70 Oct 2016 #103

Pence is a smarmy prick MFM008 Oct 2016 #102

That smug look is going to be his downfall Greywing Oct 2016 #108

man this is bar far more stressful to watch than then Hillary and drumpf.......... KewlKat Oct 2016 #110

Kaine is staying on message. Good job on the economy. BootinUp Oct 2016 #107

Are the rules any different tonight? JohnnyLib2 Oct 2016 #109

I think it's half the time for each question Renew Deal Oct 2016 #125

Thanks JohnnyLib2 Oct 2016 #140

That was a horrible question Trumps plan adds 5 trillion Hillarys adds 100 billion MattP Oct 2016 #112

Kaine continues to interrupt exboyfil Oct 2016 #113

He SHOULD let Pence talk himself into the traps !!! uponit7771 Oct 2016 #116

Pence: We don't need no stinkin' numbers. ucrdem Oct 2016 #131

he needs too Old Vet Oct 2016 #118

I am afraid he is losing on style Generic Brad Oct 2016 #127

But, he needs to get the points out and refute Pence. How else is he going to do it. I wisteria Oct 2016 #148

Pence is ducking the questions awake Oct 2016 #114

Kaine needs to stop interrupting. Ace Rothstein Oct 2016 #117

He's as obnoxious as Trump is - just more low key bettyellen Oct 2016 #120

I agree. AirmensMom Oct 2016 #126

Agree FUAC Oct 2016 #128

Kaine is annoying to me. hollowdweller Oct 2016 #175

He's toned it down a bit after the first half hour. Ace Rothstein Oct 2016 #178

Kaine just bitch-slapped Pence. LOL! SCRUBDASHRUB Oct 2016 #119

Go Tim! Marthe48 Oct 2016 #121

Kaine did take Pence to the woodshed on taxes. Ace Rothstein Oct 2016 #122

QUIT INTERUPPTING SO MUCH KAINE SHRED Oct 2016 #123

Pence just spews lies about Hillary liberal N proud Oct 2016 #139

I don't like it either n/t TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #142

Pence keeps lying. Coyotl Oct 2016 #143

Kaine is right to attack on the tax returns. nt BootinUp Oct 2016 #124

Dammmmm blue cat Oct 2016 #129

Kane is giving Pence the "trump debate treatment" Blue Idaho Oct 2016 #132

**** LIVE stream 2016 Vice Presidential Debate - Thread II ***** Coyotl Oct 2016 #135

Kaine should have stated that George Bush signed the Status of Force's agreement the required that CentralMass Oct 2016 #136

He did talk about that. nt avebury Oct 2016 #146

Is Mike Pence is made out of plastic? wildeyed Oct 2016 #137

Someone a while ago said he's out of republican central casting Renew Deal Oct 2016 #144

He tries to be all fatherly and wise, wildeyed Oct 2016 #174

Yes, he is made of Sunny05 Oct 2016 #184

part of it is suppose to be a "discussion"....confusing. KewlKat Oct 2016 #138

Enough with the freaking... 3catwoman3 Oct 2016 #141

He is only doing it when the lies get bigger than the room liberal N proud Oct 2016 #149

Pence just tried to use the Reagan line of, "there you go again"..... Chicago1980 Oct 2016 #145

Fell flat SHRED Oct 2016 #150

It fell really... 3catwoman3 Oct 2016 #151

Fell flat liberal N proud Oct 2016 #152

After accusing Kaine of using ready-made lines! bullwinkle428 Oct 2016 #154

agree Marthe48 Oct 2016 #155

He sounded soooo lame! nt ecstatic Oct 2016 #171

Trump tweets "Kaine looks like an evil crook out of the Batman movies" TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #153

Trump is such a clown! nt ecstatic Oct 2016 #156

We have a 12 year old running for president Dem2 Oct 2016 #159

4th grade sophistication JohnnyLib2 Oct 2016 #161

Time for Kaine to be more respectful ALBliberal Oct 2016 #157

Really? wisteria Oct 2016 #162

I just think he's not taking any shit. Chicago1980 Oct 2016 #163

Exactly. Pence is spewing a lot of lies. If they aren't addressed, they will stick. wisteria Oct 2016 #173

Time for Pence to stop lying! RBInMaine Oct 2016 #167

Kaine is winning with thinking Americans. Hard to ask for much more. BootinUp Oct 2016 #165

Who says a black cop can't be biased against blacks? Beartracks Oct 2016 #169

Yes - Trump has an insult driven campaign. avebury Oct 2016 #168

Kained kicked Pence's butt on the aplogy issue. nT avebury Oct 2016 #170

Kaine should point out the fact that the illegal immigrants avebury Oct 2016 #172

I thought Kaine had a rough start and he couldn't stop interrupting. Ace Rothstein Oct 2016 #176

In retrospect, Tim Kaine’s debate was a masterful lesson in campaign strategy Coyotl Oct 2016 #185

So it's Hillary Clintons fault that a status of forces agreement couldn't be renegotiated? Chicago1980 Oct 2016 #177

Bush signed the Status of Force's agreement that required that all U.S. combat troops leave Iraq CentralMass Oct 2016 #179

He did the first time it came up. tammywammy Oct 2016 #181

He didn't do it very well. CentralMass Oct 2016 #183