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JCanete

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23. which applies double or more so to the republican party and most pro-corporate politicians.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 03:12 PM
Dec 2016

That wasn't lost on me from his campaign. The case he was making was that Clinton was too damn cozy to change things, and that her platform was a reflection of that. He had nothing good to say about the GOP, and aside from one moment of frustration where he lost his perspective a bit after Hillary and her team attacked Sanders for not being qualified for the role, and for being about unicorns, that he said, "You say I'm not qualified? I say you're not qualified," he generally promoted a message that everybody on the Democratic stage was 100 times better than the alternatives.

So we have a case of a young woman who apparently pays no attention to politics on a regular basis, who might have been swayed by any damn politician, but was first energized by Sanders. Do you have a reason to believe that had there been no Sanders, she would have been a guaranteed vote for Clinton? Its not like Sanders was giving people a message that they don't already believe. That's why it spread like wildfire among the youth. This is post occupy wall-street. Thankfully, Johnson isn't where most of those votes went, which gives me more hope for the next generation of voters, who are more than tangentially engaged.

A friend of mine's daughter is one of those Bernie millennials, she voted for Johnson doc03 Dec 2016 #1
She never voted for Bernie for the right reasons, if somehow she was able to trade-up for Johnson. JCanete Dec 2016 #2
It was "cool" to vote for Johnson woolldog Dec 2016 #8
well then they didn't know what anti-establishment was. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #21
Yes but the reason she never voted for Hillary was some of the retoric doc03 Dec 2016 #12
which applies double or more so to the republican party and most pro-corporate politicians. JCanete Dec 2016 #23
There are no guarantees for 'never happened" scenarios CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #32
Your version of selfish is not mine. Being a part of the democratic process by running for election JCanete Dec 2016 #33
Oh, I forgot. Only ultra progressives are never selfish CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #35
I'm sorry, what just happened there? You got that from my post in which I suggested that JCanete Dec 2016 #36
Perhaps, I misread your intentions and you misread mine CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #37
tbh if he hadn't run I think that would have depressed turnout as well forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #40
Wasn't it Bernie that started the "corrupt corporate serving Hillary" theme? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #14
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #15
You, my friend, are a perfect example of what I was talking about in my post above CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #17
HER OWN STAFF were raising the alarm about the speeches killbotfactory Dec 2016 #18
Her staff were paid to look for weak point so that they can be mitigated CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #19
I supported Bernie and fell in line behind Clinton when he lost. killbotfactory Dec 2016 #22
A genteel primary fight, really? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #30
Nailed it... SidDithers Dec 2016 #24
"Nailed it" x 2!!!! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #34
"corporate giveaways that he could have never provided." JCanete Dec 2016 #25
Until Comney, most polls had us winning a senate majority and big gains in congress. bettyellen Dec 2016 #26
You can't have this both ways. Either Sanders cost us the election, in which case I say no, the DNC JCanete Dec 2016 #27
Actually it was such a squeaker that any of a multitude of things could have turned it around... bettyellen Dec 2016 #28
Sure. I'm not going to dredge up for the purposes of this conversation whether all accusations JCanete Dec 2016 #29
Good points but Seasider Dec 2016 #38
No, but those individuals, whoever they are, weren't goaded to do so by Sanders JCanete Dec 2016 #39
Most people aren't going to face that reality very quickly, and those people who hate Hillary, or JCanete Dec 2016 #3
I think Noam Chomsky said it best still_one Dec 2016 #4
Yes, this is a fair criticism of the approach. I was just saying that people who JCanete Dec 2016 #5
They must be rejoicing now at all the system shock. I hold them accountable for it. Justice Dec 2016 #7
No, that neve happens. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #9
Did you forget about President Obama? mtnsnake Dec 2016 #13
Exit polls in both 1992 and 1996 clearly showed that Perot took equally from both candidates. StevieM Dec 2016 #31
They're going to learn "the hard way". Serves them right. Narrow oasis Dec 2016 #6
I think the worst part is how such people style themselves "heroes" in their own minds. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #10
I understand them--Well, kinda ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #11
This. And there is no hope changing their minds, either. duffyduff Dec 2016 #16
Yup... SidDithers Dec 2016 #20
I saw a post on Joe.My.God that said it beautifully. yardwork Dec 2016 #41
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