2016 Postmortem

DevonRex

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134. That's OK.

Mon Mar 11, 2013, 03:40 PM

Mar 2013

I'll be in browbeating mode then. Some people need a good dose of plain old reality, like all those polls we're seeing about how well she matches up against possible Republicans. I'm a pragmatist, too. And if she's the nominee she deserves as much support from me as I gave Obama. And that includes telling at people who would siphon votes from us to some "dream" third party person that nobody ever heard of. Or Ralph fucking Nader. Sorry. That's his middle name as far as I'm concerned.

Really, the message isn't meant for those who will vote for that dream candidate. It's for those reading both sides and wondering which way to go. The dream sounds so good, until we wind up with another 2000 election and somebody like Nader takes enough votes from New Hampshire and Florida to give us another Bush, or a Christie who seems so jolly, right?

Until then, one thing is certain, we've got to concentrate on 2014. We've got to emphasize the wedge between Northern and Southern Republicans. That's especially important with the sequester issues. And we've got to give people time to decide whether they want to run in 2016 or not. It's too soon to hound them IMO. And IMO we think the presidency has way more power than it actually has in the first place, unless we give them a Congress to work with.

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I'll never support Hillary. Never! [View all] Hulk Smash Mar 2013 OP

. Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #1

ROFL... alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #27

First reach for the Cha Mar 2013 #40

I'd vote for her tomorrow. Today. Next week. 2016. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #2

Yep! Rider3 Mar 2013 #81

i would vote for HILLARY ALSO. trueblue2007 Mar 2013 #93

same here BainsBane Mar 2013 #110

+1 andlor Mar 2013 #113

"Who's that trip trap tripping over my bridge?" Kablooie Mar 2013 #3

fear not the powerfull Mrs. C-time to find a snow bunny airhead or start polishing romney again. Sunlei Mar 2013 #4

I don't support her for the nomination, but if she wins the nomination DavidDvorkin Mar 2013 #5

Same here... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #45

It's not a dynasty unless Chelsea is the nominee. Beacool Mar 2013 #72

Actually it would need to be one of Chelsea's DURHAM D Mar 2013 #78

Same. I will only support her if she is the only somewhat JDPriestly Mar 2013 #59

Agreed Notafraidtoo Mar 2013 #62

That is why we live in a democracy liberal N proud Mar 2013 #6

If we eliminated all the people who voted for that "damnable war" there wouldn't be many left. El Supremo Mar 2013 #7

What brought this on? Gman Mar 2013 #8

It's an ugly job. Control-Z Mar 2013 #36

Good one!!! Beacool Mar 2013 #73

Unless Senator Elizabeth Warren runs, I'm on Team Hillary. onehandle Mar 2013 #9

Too soon for Elizabeth Cracklin Charlie Mar 2013 #42

Like that Obama guy? nt onehandle Mar 2013 #43

That Obama guy had at least some legislative experience. Beacool Mar 2013 #74

Funny thing about completing a term as Senator before running for President..... TheDebbieDee Mar 2013 #126

While I Really Respect Warren... ChiciB1 Mar 2013 #99

Good. I guess you did not vote for Biden either? Or Kerry in 2004? Mass Mar 2013 #10

I think it is also important to remember that DURHAM D Mar 2013 #16

Whoop de doo Carolina Mar 2013 #66

Paging MIRT, paging MIRT. Cleanup on aisle 5... nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #11

I'd never vote for her either cpwm17 Mar 2013 #15

LOL DURHAM D Mar 2013 #17

It is not about the difference of opinion. Nice try. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #30

Oh, yeah. Hillary the racist. Control-Z Mar 2013 #44

Hillary's racist against Middle Easterners cpwm17 Mar 2013 #47

You are so off base Control-Z Mar 2013 #49

If you can't recognize her racism against Middle Easterners cpwm17 Mar 2013 #55

you can add the Honduras coup to that list n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #67

So is Barack Obama racist as well? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #151

"Hillary has a long racist, war-mongering history � only opposing that war that Bill had to avoid." Beacool Mar 2013 #76

No. Do you have anything intelligent to say? cpwm17 Mar 2013 #80

Since what you have posted is unintelligent.......... Beacool Mar 2013 #85

How's that working out for you? stevenleser Mar 2013 #144

What does that have to do with me? cpwm17 Mar 2013 #175

I am! Carolina Mar 2013 #12

I think you need to read this - DURHAM D Mar 2013 #14

I am quite familiar Carolina Mar 2013 #19

You didn't read it did you? DURHAM D Mar 2013 #21

I not only read it Carolina Mar 2013 #22

The 2008 primaries are over. DURHAM D Mar 2013 #23

Yes, and past Carolina Mar 2013 #25

Some think they are through with the past, but the past ain't through with them. n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #41

Iraq got a nice shit sandwich, with Bush Sr. as one bread, Clinton the meat in the Middle Whisp Mar 2013 #39

Yep, that pretty much sums it up. cpwm17 Mar 2013 #57

Don't insult our intelligence cpwm17 Mar 2013 #24

Is that her racist speech? DURHAM D Mar 2013 #26

It seems you've lost on the war-mongering argument cpwm17 Mar 2013 #32

Thank you, cpwm17 Carolina Mar 2013 #34

Thank you, it's worth reminding people that things are seldom black or white. Beacool Mar 2013 #77

The OP reflects everything that is wrong with American politics NHDEMFORLIFE Mar 2013 #123

Very well said. Beacool Mar 2013 #133

I agree with you in principle.. sendero Mar 2013 #176

Well said cpwm17 Mar 2013 #177

spot on Carolina!! Hulk Smash Mar 2013 #65

Oh look... DURHAM D Mar 2013 #13

So what do you do if she is running against Jebby the Bush? rurallib Mar 2013 #18

Perhaps write in Santorum? DURHAM D Mar 2013 #20

I'll vote for whatever conservative stiff the party gives us Warpy Mar 2013 #28

I would work to oppose her ever winning the Democratic nomination. David__77 Mar 2013 #29

You won't have much of a choice. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #31

I'm with Hillary 1000% if she runs MaineLinePhilly Mar 2013 #33

She only voted for the war because Ron Paul was against it. MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #35

Hahaha! Grow up. But you have balls. nt babylonsister Mar 2013 #37

I'll vote for her. You can vote for the tooth fairy. aquart Mar 2013 #38

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #46

Do what you wish. FarPoint Mar 2013 #48

I love Dem Non. Raine1967 Mar 2013 #50

...and your alternative is... brooklynite Mar 2013 #51

IS she running, for something? Historic NY Mar 2013 #52

That is so 2007 BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #53

I'll never care RudynJack Mar 2013 #54

Gee, did she announce already? still_one Mar 2013 #56

Yes IAMWHOIAM12321 Mar 2013 #58

Brilliant first post! Pithy, with just the barest hint of troll. 11 Bravo Mar 2013 #117

Meh I don't care... Kalidurga Mar 2013 #60

I've already voted for her. Rhiannon12866 Mar 2013 #61

Never say never tularetom Mar 2013 #63

I would only support her if she is the nominee. She caved on the war and lost my respect condoleeza Mar 2013 #64

She had an accident. She is very healthy. juajen Mar 2013 #153

I don't blindly support anyone. I want to wait to see what happens in the primaries. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2013 #68

Just do me a favor and don't call yourself a Democrat in 2016 when cecilfirefox Mar 2013 #69

I couldn't care less. cliffordu Mar 2013 #70

Suit yourself, it's a free country. Beacool Mar 2013 #71

Yeh, it's a semi free country - not like the Honduras tho. n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #75

How's your CDS? Beacool Mar 2013 #79

how are those rose coloured glasses? Whisp Mar 2013 #82

Better than the blinders you prefer to wear. Beacool Mar 2013 #84

I see some things quite clearly. Whisp Mar 2013 #87

OK, you actually made me laugh. Beacool Mar 2013 #90

see, I knew you were going to say that. Whisp Mar 2013 #92

Well, thank you. Beacool Mar 2013 #94

Bea, you're bring back fond memories. DevonRex Mar 2013 #120

Cute, I like it. Beacool Mar 2013 #132

That's OK. DevonRex Mar 2013 #134

support hillary thunderbolt brown420 Mar 2013 #83

I don't think they are afraid of her. Whisp Mar 2013 #86

Going to war is no small mistake! Carolina Mar 2013 #88

I remember Bob Graham's befuddled reaction after he'd seen the alleged evidence for WMD's cpwm17 Mar 2013 #174

I will not vote for Hillary bigwillq Mar 2013 #89

Hillary vs. prospective Republican candidates ---> Petrushka Mar 2013 #91

Go to .... november3rd Mar 2013 #95

I'll alert the media n/t Lil Missy Mar 2013 #96

I like Biden. But if Hillary is the nominee, I'll support her. Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #97

Why are people still talking about Hillary 2016? Jamaal510 Mar 2013 #98

Hillary does not always tell the truth. n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #100

Relax, Hillery ain't runnin' RC Mar 2013 #101

Oh she's running alright. n/t totodeinhere Mar 2013 #106

If any warm body with a pulse were to win the Democratic primary DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #102

I should live so long, to vote. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #103

While I respect your position on "the war" Swede Atlanta Mar 2013 #104

You said that you'll support anyone who opposes her for the Dem non in 16. totodeinhere Mar 2013 #105

Apparently you'd rather reward Bush, Cheney, and the other Repubs pnwmom Mar 2013 #107

They hemmed him in pretty good didn't they? TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #166

They took a chance that he would abide by the terms -- because they had nothing to lose pnwmom Mar 2013 #167

The real path to gain was to oppose and restrict and let the Republicans own it lock, stock, TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #170

They couldn't help write the restrictions unless they joined in voting for it, at least pnwmom Mar 2013 #171

Trashing thread. Sick of seeing it. N/t Agschmid Mar 2013 #108

If she's our candidate, she'll have my enthusiastic support. gateley Mar 2013 #109

She has my vote, support and money the minute she announces....She's a giant Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #111

you should go ask in meta. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #112

so easy to troll DU with Hillary Enrique Mar 2013 #114

Although I am not a Hillary voter, in her defense ... Akoto Mar 2013 #115

I will support the Democratic nominee. DevonRex Mar 2013 #116

Hillary has learned nothing cpwm17 Mar 2013 #119

HILLARY SUPPORTER HERE.. WILL DONATE AND WORK TO GET HER ELECTED, IF SHE RUNS secondwind Mar 2013 #121

OK. She supported Cheney's wars cpwm17 Mar 2013 #122

I was wondering when somebody would take this DevonRex Mar 2013 #124

You purists bore me. Beacool Mar 2013 #135

There's the Bea we love! DevonRex Mar 2013 #145

Dionysus is my buddy. Beacool Mar 2013 #146

I don't know DevonRex Mar 2013 #147

it's ok, i gave Bea her medicine :) dionysus Mar 2013 #149

That is DevonRex Mar 2013 #152

ahem.. just where have YOU been young lady? out carousing i assume. dionysus Mar 2013 #148

Bankie for me? Beacool Mar 2013 #155

still won't admit to the carousing i see... dionysus Mar 2013 #160

Alas, no carousing. Beacool Mar 2013 #161

i don't know... i think carousing has occured.... dionysus Mar 2013 #162

Dirty mind!!! Beacool Mar 2013 #163

i'm sure you stay at home at night making doilies Bea... yeah, that sounds like you... dionysus Mar 2013 #164

You're incorrigible. Beacool Mar 2013 #165

i'm just a cad aren't i? dionysus Mar 2013 #169

Yes, you are!!! Beacool Mar 2013 #173

Exactly. treestar Mar 2013 #179

You seem upset. Arkana Mar 2013 #118

It's too soon to start talking about 2016 davidpdx Mar 2013 #125

That's nice, dear. Squinch Mar 2013 #127

Not her biggest fan here, either RedstDem Mar 2013 #128

hi troll riverbendviewgal Mar 2013 #129

They're so cute when they're young. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #130

Welcome to DU, and enjoy your stay. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #131

I can't find lillypaddle Mar 2013 #136

Hulk too cowardly to respond in own thread. 5 days after posting, Hulk is still no-show. Maybe Hulk Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #138

I love her libodem Mar 2013 #137

Drive-by slander like this is just what it looks like. And it should be given all the attention it Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #139

I'm with you and we are not the only ones who love her. Beacool Mar 2013 #156

She is brilliant libodem Mar 2013 #158

She will have my vote and support UCmeNdc Mar 2013 #140

I'm not. With you, that is. classof56 Mar 2013 #141

Hulk Smash(ed) by Skinner..... Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #142

she was listening to Bill on WMD which he thought they had. just saying Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2013 #143

Poor guy ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #150

Ah. Another reagan democrat joins in. Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #154

FAIL... and-justice-for-all Mar 2013 #157

I've been waiting to post this one... FSogol Mar 2013 #159

I forget, how did Biden vote on the Iraq War? n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #168

Purity Purity Purity. Does it ever end? I would vote for her in a heartbeat. RBInMaine Mar 2013 #172

I still would, because treestar Mar 2013 #178

Hillary is brilliant and can be brutal olddots Mar 2013 #180