Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

2016 Postmortem

Showing Original Post only (View all)

joshcryer

(62,274 posts)
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 05:59 AM Dec 2013

You don't have to like it. I predict now it will be Clinton-Castro. [View all]

Bookmark this for future soothsaying. It is early. You can chastise me for predicting early. We got 2014 to focus on. All well and good, I am making this prediction now because I want to call it early.

Clinton cannot shore up liberals and it risks causing a rift between liberals, and centrists and third wayers (DINOS). The problem is with the independent vote. Clinton can get the independent vote fairly easily and a lot of the conservative women vote (if only voting because they identify with Clinton). However, the independent vote requires liberal activists to GOTV and rile up the base, as liberals have always done.

To satisfy the liberal vote Clinton needs a true liberal on the ticket. Castro shores up the Latino vote, again for identifying purposes, but it doesn't go far enough to cause a massive GOTV effort. In Latino communities that will be the case, but in more conservative communities the liberal GOTV effort will be paramount. And for that reason Clinton will need someone more progressive on the ticket.

Castro will accept because he suspects by 2024 he will be a shoe in for President as the Latino community will have grown to be 15-20% of the population. And his progressivism will be accepted in 2016 and 2024 the country will have shifted dramatically to the left (by then marijuana and gay marriage will be legalized across the country; and the American public will be wanting Single Payer which is what his platform will run on).



Some will say Clinton wouldn't need Castro or that Castro wouldn't jump on board a Clinton ticket because she is too centrist / right wing / third way. I think that Castro would be on the ticket because he wants to change America and being VP and then President is his best shot at that. The demographics of the United States are statistically going one way.

If climate change doesn't screw us in the intrim this is how I see the future panning out.

Chastise away.

edit: TBF first posed this situation though I don't think she outright predicted it (she did make convincing arguments for this, however). Credit goes to TBF for convincing me on this issue though I am fully compelled to believe this will be the candidacy. It's been in the back of my mind for weeks now and I finally committed to making a prediction this early.

40 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
I'd agree that someone with solid progressive credentials will need to be on the ticket. Firebrand Gary Dec 2013 #1
Care to share? joshcryer Dec 2013 #2
Thanks Josh, however I must decline. Firebrand Gary Dec 2013 #3
Fair enough! I hope they are an uber progressive! joshcryer Dec 2013 #4
actually I posted this on Tuesday in a comment beachbum bob Dec 2013 #5
The photo is from a photo shoot in LA - in early November. nt TBF Dec 2013 #9
Agree. Predicted it to a friend last night elfin Dec 2013 #6
I have a Clinton/Castro bumper sticker Gothmog Dec 2013 #7
I just pulled it from his Facebook page - TBF Dec 2013 #8
I kind of want to hate on you for this, btw. joshcryer Dec 2013 #20
I would say I'm Julian's biggest fan but I know he has TBF Dec 2013 #24
Suits me. (nt) Paladin Dec 2013 #10
Good guess. I like it, he is also from Texas!! If Texas goes blue all bets are off!! Pisces Dec 2013 #11
I said that right after the Dem convention when he spoke... Rosco T. Dec 2013 #12
Warren for Atty General TBF Dec 2013 #13
Bookmarked... Agschmid Dec 2013 #14
Which one? Brother Buzz Dec 2013 #15
Julian - TBF Dec 2013 #25
I predict you're wrong. BlueStater Dec 2013 #16
Heh. He's older than George P. Bush comrade - TBF Dec 2013 #26
Liberals will be falling all over themselves to vote for Hillary Clinton alcibiades_mystery Dec 2013 #17
Why did she go to CAP and sprinkle her speech with "progressive"? joshcryer Dec 2013 #18
But her move to the left will just be bullshit rhetoric... polichick Dec 2013 #31
You wish. polichick Dec 2013 #30
I love it, but... CitizenLeft Dec 2013 #19
I agree that, qualification-wise, Joaquín would be better. joshcryer Dec 2013 #21
Julian has a beautiful family CitizenLeft Dec 2013 #23
San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the US TBF Dec 2013 #28
WAY too early to be making ANY predictions. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #22
Works for me. madaboutharry Dec 2013 #27
Nope. You're not thinking like Hillary Proud Public Servant Dec 2013 #29
That's the image Clinton has to change. Even Bill said that was Hillary's failing last time. joshcryer Dec 2013 #36
Nothing-- nothing -- will make Hillary seem more fake Proud Public Servant Dec 2013 #38
Castro Not Ready to be President? American Werewolf Dec 2013 #40
Neither Coyotl Dec 2013 #32
Ohhhhhhhh! hedgehog Dec 2013 #33
Hoping she picks Castro. American Werewolf Dec 2013 #34
Nah.... Castro is to old and not even American! whistler162 Dec 2013 #35
Yup. I called it a while back. ancianita Dec 2013 #37
I would like that. I would also like Clinton/Grayson. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #39
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»You don't have to like it...»Reply #0