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In reply to the discussion: Clinton supporters: Where do you stand on the TPP and Glass-Steagall? [View all]cascadiance
(19,537 posts)186. Sorry but that propaganda doesn't hold up! It was far more rigged for corporate America than unions
http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation/Labor-s-So-Called-Seat-at-the-Table-at-TPP-Negotiations
Labor's So-Called "Seat at the Table" at TPP Negotiations
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Ive heard labor has a seat at the table and gets to see the TPP texts. Is this true?
No. Under U.S. law, there are several trade advisersprivate citizens appointed by the Presidentwho advise on trade policies. Of these advisers, the vast majority
(85% according to the Washington Post) represent businesses. About 5% of the advisers represent labor. The other 10% represent local and state government officials, academics, think tanks and non-governmental organizations. Labor advisers are allowed to review and advise on draft U.S. proposalsadvice that the United States Trade Representative (USTR) can freely ignore. But we are locked out of the negotiating room and cannot see the actual negotiating texts, which combine the proposals from all 12 countries and evolve over time as negotiations progress. Nor can we share what we learn with members without violating national security laws.
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By February 2014, it was becoming clear that labor's discussions with trade negotiators were not making the TPP a more progressive trade deal. However, members of Congress were under the mistaken impression that labor unions were very influential in the process. AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka wrote to policymakers to set the record straight, emphasizing that mere "access" is not meaningful participation:
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Ive heard labor has a seat at the table and gets to see the TPP texts. Is this true?
No. Under U.S. law, there are several trade advisersprivate citizens appointed by the Presidentwho advise on trade policies. Of these advisers, the vast majority
(85% according to the Washington Post) represent businesses. About 5% of the advisers represent labor. The other 10% represent local and state government officials, academics, think tanks and non-governmental organizations. Labor advisers are allowed to review and advise on draft U.S. proposalsadvice that the United States Trade Representative (USTR) can freely ignore. But we are locked out of the negotiating room and cannot see the actual negotiating texts, which combine the proposals from all 12 countries and evolve over time as negotiations progress. Nor can we share what we learn with members without violating national security laws.
...
By February 2014, it was becoming clear that labor's discussions with trade negotiators were not making the TPP a more progressive trade deal. However, members of Congress were under the mistaken impression that labor unions were very influential in the process. AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka wrote to policymakers to set the record straight, emphasizing that mere "access" is not meaningful participation:
More important than quantity of access, however, is quality of access. A seat on the LAC [Labor Advisory Committee] is not a seat at the negotiating table, much less an assurance that labors policy proposals will be incorporated into either the U.S. proposal or the final agreement. Because LAC members do not have access to the full negotiating texts, or to information regarding USTR priorities and choices, we cannot effectively influence the inevitable trade-offs in ways that would build the middle class and protect our democratic systems. And because we cannot share what little we do know with our membership or the larger public, we cannot use the traditional tools that civil society uses to offset the power of economic elites: education, organization and mobilization of the public.
Perhaps the best proof, however, that the LAC has not been a valuable tool in creating people-centered trade agreements is the actual content of the final agreements. The AFL-CIO has criticized the vast majority of trade agreements since NAFTA. If these trade agreements worked to create good jobs for workers, the AFL-CIO would be fighting for them as hard as or harder than Wall Street and the global corporations do. The tragic fact is thatdespite some marginal progress over the years in some chaptersthe model hasnt changed. This flawed model has led to many trade agreements that skew their benefits toward the 1% and have exacerbated trade deficits, wage suppression, the dismantling of our manufacturing sector and income inequality.
Perhaps the best proof, however, that the LAC has not been a valuable tool in creating people-centered trade agreements is the actual content of the final agreements. The AFL-CIO has criticized the vast majority of trade agreements since NAFTA. If these trade agreements worked to create good jobs for workers, the AFL-CIO would be fighting for them as hard as or harder than Wall Street and the global corporations do. The tragic fact is thatdespite some marginal progress over the years in some chaptersthe model hasnt changed. This flawed model has led to many trade agreements that skew their benefits toward the 1% and have exacerbated trade deficits, wage suppression, the dismantling of our manufacturing sector and income inequality.
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Clinton supporters: Where do you stand on the TPP and Glass-Steagall? [View all]
OnlyBernieBurnsBush
Jul 2015
OP
Immigration reform, health care , increased minimum wage, paid family leave, protecting Soc Sec.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#8
Opposing TPP and supporting the reinstatement of Glass Steagall are not hills I would die for.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#27
Obsessing about TPP and Glass Stegall are primarily upper middle class class conceits
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#31
D s are more likely to support it than Rs and Millennials are more likely to support it ...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#57
Good to see some people -- a surprising number by that poll -- realize the world is
Hoyt
Jul 2015
#66
If I was in the Audubon Ballroom I would have taken the bullets that killed Malcolm
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#137
What issues...I treat others with the same respect or disrespect they show me.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#147
Your attacks on my character don't bother me. But your dog whistle attacks on Malcolm X do
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#152
"Self worth, Why do you think his life is more important than yours."
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#187
Reading must not be your forte. I was obviously responding as if I was his contemporary.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#200
You and your cohorts who have verbally bullied me in this thread...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#181
My life is a battle against ignorance which racism is a function of.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#207
Racism is a pestilence upon our great land that needs to be exterminated
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#215
Well, the mark of a great intellect is to hold two mutually exclusive concepts in one's mind...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#220
Why drag in an irrelevant post from another discussion? Point other than to attack?
George II
Jul 2015
#234
And engaging in conversation with someone with whom the only thing I wish to disregard more ...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#98
Gee, If I'm so unimportant, why do you keep sending me Personal.Mesages, LOL?
whathehell
Jul 2015
#108
So the nation's labor unions are composed primarily of "upper middle class" people?
whathehell
Jul 2015
#60
Whether they give a rat's ass or not they support it if asked with the emphasis on asked....
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#77
After decades of off-shoring jobs, attacks by Republican Administrations & Corporate interests
whathehell
Jul 2015
#82
Yes, things like the ISDS have been in just about every trade agreement since 1959.
Hoyt
Jul 2015
#97
"if you don't know where the food comes from.and that con Ernst you, don't eat it"
whathehell
Jul 2015
#100
Simple isn't it. Life must be difficult for you, if you can't figure this challenge out.
Hoyt
Jul 2015
#163
Not at all. Life must be difficult for you, if you if you think the TPP is just about eating.
whathehell
Jul 2015
#164
You need to check your hearing, or read more. Check out some of the ISDS settlements here, in Europe
Hoyt
Jul 2015
#141
Governments were sued in SA and Australia, companies got nowhere. Supposedly, TPP
Hoyt
Jul 2015
#149
I am proudly plebeian, a prole, a commoner, a member of the underclass./nt
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#114
I hold nobody in contempt nor attribute responsibility for my status to anybody.I actually enjoy it.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#119
It is probably fifteenth or sixteenth residence since I lost my home in 010./nt
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#159
Interestingly enough, Clinton fails massively in "increased minimum wage"
London Lover Man
Jul 2015
#85
If Republicans want to impeach him again, perhaps this time don't stand in their way...
cascadiance
Jul 2015
#184
Sorry but that propaganda doesn't hold up! It was far more rigged for corporate America than unions
cascadiance
Jul 2015
#186
Well, you do note AFLCIO's concern that corporate interests were overwhelming majority...
cascadiance
Jul 2015
#212
More important than people getting their SS checks, their Medicare, their Medicaid...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#45
What? Are you unaware of WHO is trying to cut SS? Why they even have the POWER
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#49
I rely on Medi Cal . That's CA's Medicaid program. That is why it's important to me./nt
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#138
Because they are concentrated in the South and the coasts, which will get the most benefit from it?
Recursion
Jul 2015
#123
The ironic thing is rank and file Democrats supported it and rank and file Republicans opposed it...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#25
I was actually a bit off...Both Ds and Rs support it but Ds support it in larger numbers.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#126
Interesting. Last poll I saw (months ago) it was in negative territory for R's
Recursion
Jul 2015
#127
What does it mean that Obama and the Republicans sided against dems on the TPP?
whatchamacallit
Jul 2015
#9
Do you have a link to AAs supporting the TPP? Thanks, I know that all Progressive
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#37
So AAs do not belong to Unions or Progressive Orgs, in your view. Okay, that's all I wanted
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#52
Polls on Hillary are meaningless wrt to issues at this point. She has name recognition
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#88
The information is incorrect. It has been corrected now by two people. Bernie
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#170
We don't have a final TPP...and the US currently has about 20 active trade agreements.
Sancho
Jul 2015
#36
It's not mixed for the thousands of people who lost jobs as a result of NAFTA.
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#39
As I understand it much of the TPP was drafted by corporations, but it's not finished.
Sancho
Jul 2015
#54
I keep asking how using trillions of tax dollars to save the asses of corrupt Wall St
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#41
Not getting your reasoning. If the trillions had been spent on the victims rather than the
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#64
If supporting TPP is a proxy for Third Wayism than two out of every three Democrats is one
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#75
Clinton is my 2nd choice after O'Malley, but: TPP "meh", Glass-Steagall "slightly negative meh"
Recursion
Jul 2015
#125
Since the final TPP doesn't exist yet I think we need to wait to see the details.
DCBob
Jul 2015
#176
Which is why TPA should NOT have been passed before we did know what is happening in the TPP...
cascadiance
Jul 2015
#214
She supports Dodd-Frank, as does Warren, who said she was still proud of signing it as significant.
freshwest
Jul 2015
#240
Are there only those two narrow options? "If you're not with us you're against us"!
George II
Jul 2015
#233
Are you comfortable enough with your position to tell us where you do stand? Personally, I think the
grahamhgreen
Jul 2015
#239