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cascadiance

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186. Sorry but that propaganda doesn't hold up! It was far more rigged for corporate America than unions
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:27 AM
Jul 2015
http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation/Labor-s-So-Called-Seat-at-the-Table-at-TPP-Negotiations

Labor's So-Called "Seat at the Table" at TPP Negotiations
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I’ve heard “labor” has a seat at the table and gets to see the TPP texts. Is this true?
No. Under U.S. law, there are several trade advisers—private citizens appointed by the President—who advise on trade policies. Of these advisers, the vast majority
(85% according to the Washington Post) represent businesses. About 5% of the advisers represent labor. The other 10% represent local and state government officials, academics, think tanks and non-governmental organizations. Labor advisers are allowed to review and advise on draft U.S. proposals—advice that the United States Trade Representative (USTR) can freely ignore. But we are locked out of the negotiating room and cannot see the actual negotiating texts, which combine the proposals from all 12 countries and evolve over time as negotiations progress. Nor can we share what we learn with members without violating national security laws.

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By February 2014, it was becoming clear that labor's discussions with trade negotiators were not making the TPP a more progressive trade deal. However, members of Congress were under the mistaken impression that labor unions were very influential in the process. AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka wrote to policymakers to set the record straight, emphasizing that mere "access" is not meaningful participation:

More important than quantity of access, however, is quality of access. A seat on the LAC [Labor Advisory Committee] is not a seat at the negotiating table, much less an assurance that labor’s policy proposals will be incorporated into either the U.S. proposal or the final agreement. Because LAC members do not have access to the full negotiating texts, or to information regarding USTR priorities and choices, we cannot effectively influence the inevitable trade-offs in ways that would build the middle class and protect our democratic systems. And because we cannot share what little we do know with our membership or the larger public, we cannot use the traditional tools that civil society uses to offset the power of economic elites: education, organization and mobilization of the public.

Perhaps the best proof, however, that the LAC has not been a valuable tool in creating people-centered trade agreements is the actual content of the final agreements. The AFL-CIO has criticized the vast majority of trade agreements since NAFTA. If these trade agreements worked to create good jobs for workers, the AFL-CIO would be fighting for them as hard as or harder than Wall Street and the global corporations do. The tragic fact is that—despite some marginal progress over the years in some chapters—the model hasn’t changed. This flawed model has led to many trade agreements that skew their benefits toward the 1% and have exacerbated trade deficits, wage suppression, the dismantling of our manufacturing sector and income inequality.

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They stand wherever Hillary stands whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #1
Not even in my top ten of issues./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #2
Interesting whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #4
Immigration reform, health care , increased minimum wage, paid family leave, protecting Soc Sec. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #8
You are aware that the TPP may negatively impact all of those whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #11
I don't believe they are contingent on TPP DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #13
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A study by independent economists. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #23
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Opposing TPP and supporting the reinstatement of Glass Steagall are not hills I would die for. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #27
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+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #179
Oops! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #174
bullshit poll!!!!!!!!!!!!! GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #224
"most folks couldn't give a rat's ass about TPP and Glass-Steagall" whathehell Jul 2015 #65
I refuse to hold myself above my fellow plebeians. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #71
Your obvious ignorance suggests as much. whathehell Jul 2015 #84
I wear your invective like a medal. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #87
like your ignorance whathehell Jul 2015 #89
If I respected you or your opinions your epithets might hurt. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #90
That left a mark./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #94
Respect from.the Ignorant and Unread is not on my goal list. whathehell Jul 2015 #95
And engaging in conversation with someone with whom the only thing I wish to disregard more ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #98
Huh? whathehell Jul 2015 #101
What part of DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #104
Gee, If I'm so unimportant, why do you keep sending me Personal.Mesages, LOL? whathehell Jul 2015 #108
It's not esoteric, IMHO. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #131
LOL ... +1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #173
So the nation's labor unions are composed primarily of "upper middle class" people? whathehell Jul 2015 #60
It's painfully obvious n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #62
I stand with the two out of every three Democrats who support it DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #63
But..but.I thought "most folks didn't give a rat's ass about it", lol? whathehell Jul 2015 #73
Whether they give a rat's ass or not they support it if asked with the emphasis on asked.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #77
But you said you didn't just "blindly follow", lol whathehell Jul 2015 #86
Non-government labor unions represent less than 3.5% of workers and Hoyt Jul 2015 #72
After decades of off-shoring jobs, attacks by Republican Administrations & Corporate interests whathehell Jul 2015 #82
Yes, things like the ISDS have been in just about every trade agreement since 1959. Hoyt Jul 2015 #97
"if you don't know where the food comes from.and that con Ernst you, don't eat it" whathehell Jul 2015 #100
Packers can label food, and they will. Just buy food with labels showing where Hoyt Jul 2015 #103
Yeah, sure.. whathehell Jul 2015 #157
Simple isn't it. Life must be difficult for you, if you can't figure this challenge out. Hoyt Jul 2015 #163
Not at all. Life must be difficult for you, if you if you think the TPP is just about eating. whathehell Jul 2015 #164
Yoy gotta shoot down each hyperbolic conspiracy theory as it is presented. Hoyt Jul 2015 #167
Um, I don't see whathehell Jul 2015 #168
"The ISDS won't overrule our laws." SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #133
You need to check your hearing, or read more. Check out some of the ISDS settlements here, in Europe Hoyt Jul 2015 #141
Well, you may be right SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #144
Governments were sued in SA and Australia, companies got nowhere. Supposedly, TPP Hoyt Jul 2015 #149
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I am proudly plebeian, a prole, a commoner, a member of the underclass./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #114
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I hold nobody in contempt nor attribute responsibility for my status to anybody.I actually enjoy it. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #119
Glass Stegall is one of the main reasons for the real estate bubble artislife Jul 2015 #155
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Lucky you....rent controlled. artislife Jul 2015 #158
It is probably fifteenth or sixteenth residence since I lost my home in 010./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #159
Yes..so why don't you think Glass Stengall is important? artislife Jul 2015 #161
There won't be any such studies prior to passage ... GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #223
Interestingly enough, Clinton fails massively in "increased minimum wage" London Lover Man Jul 2015 #85
Good fins. Thank you. 840high Jul 2015 #111
Glass Steagall isn't? elleng Jul 2015 #21
Nope DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #24
Corporations currently control us plebes. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #135
Not in my issues list either... Sancho Jul 2015 #30
ISDS courts from TPP will muck up your issues list too... cascadiance Jul 2015 #91
+1000 whathehell Jul 2015 #96
I don't believe those things will happen... Sancho Jul 2015 #99
You don't believe the proles will be screwed? SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #139
It's not a signed treaty yet... Sancho Jul 2015 #143
Wouldn't it be pretty to think so. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #146
So what are you going to do... Sancho Jul 2015 #150
If Republicans want to impeach him again, perhaps this time don't stand in their way... cascadiance Jul 2015 #184
I'm not waiting until it affects me directly, SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #197
In the same way that it was written by Labor Unions ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #182
Sorry but that propaganda doesn't hold up! It was far more rigged for corporate America than unions cascadiance Jul 2015 #186
Funny, this was the exact piece I was referring to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #190
Well, you do note AFLCIO's concern that corporate interests were overwhelming majority... cascadiance Jul 2015 #212
I rank every issue that you and DSB list and a couple more ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #180
So you disagree with Biden then? Who says the money in politics is the most sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #35
More important than people getting their SS checks, their Medicare, their Medicaid... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #45
What? Are you unaware of WHO is trying to cut SS? Why they even have the POWER sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #49
If Hillary isn't bothered.....well then neither am I artislife Jul 2015 #193
I agree SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #136
I rely on Medi Cal . That's CA's Medicaid program. That is why it's important to me./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #138
Again, I completely agree. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #140
I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #172
Agreed, and great posts throughout this thread. DanTex Jul 2015 #175
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #183
Are you a Hillary supporter? GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #226
Yes, why? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #228
President Obama is a Republican, who knew dsc Jul 2015 #3
Our African-American President supports the TPP, unfortunately... OnlyBernieBurnsBush Jul 2015 #5
several polls have stated that a majority of black voters support the TPP dsc Jul 2015 #14
I would love to understand why they support it artislife Jul 2015 #18
Good question n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #29
because Obama supports it Doctor_J Jul 2015 #105
I see nt artislife Jul 2015 #110
Because they are concentrated in the South and the coasts, which will get the most benefit from it? Recursion Jul 2015 #123
Are there links as to why they do support it? cascadiance Jul 2015 #19
I don't think polls got into the whys dsc Jul 2015 #32
The ironic thing is rank and file Democrats supported it and rank and file Republicans opposed it... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #25
Not ironic, but by design, which is why it was so secret... cascadiance Jul 2015 #33
I found that interesting too (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #124
I was actually a bit off...Both Ds and Rs support it but Ds support it in larger numbers. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #126
Interesting. Last poll I saw (months ago) it was in negative territory for R's Recursion Jul 2015 #127
Yes. I vaguely remember that poll... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #130
What does it mean that Obama and the Republicans sided against dems on the TPP? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #9
It means just add up the votes and you'll have your answer... cascadiance Jul 2015 #20
Do you have a link to AAs supporting the TPP? Thanks, I know that all Progressive sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #37
You do know what the word majority means don't you dsc Jul 2015 #40
So AAs do not belong to Unions or Progressive Orgs, in your view. Okay, that's all I wanted sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #52
apparently you don't know what majority means dsc Jul 2015 #67
I know what polls mean, if that's what you are referring to. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #76
I prefer posters not making up what I said dsc Jul 2015 #78
Polls on Hillary are meaningless wrt to issues at this point. She has name recognition sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #88
Indies can't vote in many of our primaries and caucuses dsc Jul 2015 #93
Thanks for the info! zappaman Jul 2015 #106
The information is incorrect. It has been corrected now by two people. Bernie sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #170
unless and until you register as a dem you can't vote in those primaries dsc Jul 2015 #185
Blatant fucking horseshit! TM99 Jul 2015 #115
You might try reading instead of cussing at me dsc Jul 2015 #118
I read your post. TM99 Jul 2015 #122
Here is a link to back up what I said dsc Jul 2015 #129
Indies ARE aware that in some states they need to register as Dems sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #171
What? Indies are going to register as Dems JUST so they can vote for Bernie sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #169
Here's a link to the Pew Poll DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #50
Welcome to DU... zappaman Jul 2015 #6
Results... Major Nikon Jul 2015 #92
Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #102
Actually, it was in error. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #109
S'okay. zappaman Jul 2015 #117
More choices necessary. elleng Jul 2015 #7
Right next to Hillary? Autumn Jul 2015 #10
FYI to what the TPP is and why it could be considered important. artislife Jul 2015 #12
We don't have a final TPP...and the US currently has about 20 active trade agreements. Sancho Jul 2015 #36
It's not mixed for the thousands of people who lost jobs as a result of NAFTA. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #39
Haha...I'm a 40 year union member... Sancho Jul 2015 #47
After CAFTA was signed, sixteen Columbian labor organizers were murdered whathehell Jul 2015 #166
Thanks for bringing this up artislife Jul 2015 #196
You're welcome -- It's huge. n/t whathehell Jul 2015 #227
I went through your links on NAFTA artislife Jul 2015 #43
As I understand it much of the TPP was drafted by corporations, but it's not finished. Sancho Jul 2015 #54
We agree on labeling and round up! artislife Jul 2015 #59
Glass-Steagall and why it could be considered important artislife Jul 2015 #15
I keep asking why breaking up the banks would help in today's world... Sancho Jul 2015 #38
I keep asking how using trillions of tax dollars to save the asses of corrupt Wall St sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #41
I agree there were criminal bankers...but Sancho Jul 2015 #56
Not getting your reasoning. If the trillions had been spent on the victims rather than the sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #64
We've had plenty of homeless and foreclosures here in FL too... Sancho Jul 2015 #74
I have read all these reports and completely disagree that there wasn't sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #81
Closing Tax loop holes would be great, too. Not instead of nt artislife Jul 2015 #46
I'll never forgive Clinton for that. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #42
We have just may have found the real difference artislife Jul 2015 #48
This is the exact difference between Democrats and Third Way. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #69
If supporting TPP is a proxy for Third Wayism than two out of every three Democrats is one DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #75
Polls like that are meaningless unless all the people polled Zorra Jul 2015 #83
HRC deftly nuanced on TPP HFRN Jul 2015 #79
Clinton supporters stand with the republicans on most issues Doctor_J Jul 2015 #107
So sad for our country. 840high Jul 2015 #113
Wow shenmue Jul 2015 #148
that's called 'The Neoliberal Choice' HFRN Jul 2015 #230
TPP-neutral. Glass Steagal will not pass the Republican House stevenleser Jul 2015 #121
Clinton is my 2nd choice after O'Malley, but: TPP "meh", Glass-Steagall "slightly negative meh" Recursion Jul 2015 #125
TPP puts corporations above elected governments. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #142
completely above nt HFRN Jul 2015 #232
Since the final TPP doesn't exist yet I think we need to wait to see the details. DCBob Jul 2015 #176
Which is why TPA should NOT have been passed before we did know what is happening in the TPP... cascadiance Jul 2015 #214
I agree with Barney Frank about Glass-Steagall OKNancy Jul 2015 #177
I'm guessing this HassleCat Jul 2015 #231
She supports Dodd-Frank, as does Warren, who said she was still proud of signing it as significant. freshwest Jul 2015 #240
Are there only those two narrow options? "If you're not with us you're against us"! George II Jul 2015 #233
OP is asking, where do YOU stand? grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #236
This is the OP bottom-line question: George II Jul 2015 #237
Are you comfortable enough with your position to tell us where you do stand? Personally, I think the grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #239
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