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195. Well, that's a non sequitur.

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Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:54 AM

Jul 2015

You attacked me, I joined the battle, and won't leave until it is over.

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Clinton supporters: Where do you stand on the TPP and Glass-Steagall? [View all] OnlyBernieBurnsBush Jul 2015 OP

They stand wherever Hillary stands whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #1

Not even in my top ten of issues./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #2

Interesting whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #4

Immigration reform, health care , increased minimum wage, paid family leave, protecting Soc Sec. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #8

You are aware that the TPP may negatively impact all of those whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #11

I don't believe they are contingent on TPP DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #13

Well congressional democrats thought so whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #16

I don't march lock step behind anybody. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #17

Au contraire, I think you do whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #22

A study by independent economists. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #23

So, by your reasoning... whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #26

Opposing TPP and supporting the reinstatement of Glass Steagall are not hills I would die for. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #27

Well that may be whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #28

Obsessing about TPP and Glass Stegall are primarily upper middle class class conceits DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #31

Wow... whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #34

You seem upset...No need to go ad hominem on me... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #44

I'm sorry, but again whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #51

Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #53

That'll make some heads explode. Hoyt Jul 2015 #55

D s are more likely to support it than Rs and Millennials are more likely to support it ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #57

Good to see some people -- a surprising number by that poll -- realize the world is Hoyt Jul 2015 #66

Precisely, millennial support is 65% -17% DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #70

Well I guess you think you got me whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #58

That poll is peer reviewed DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #61

Lol. Maybe the poll methodology was sound whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #68

Unverifiable again aspirant Jul 2015 #120

Have you reached the point of ascension again/yet? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #128

Have you resolved your inner violence issues? aspirant Jul 2015 #134

If I was in the Audubon Ballroom I would have taken the bullets that killed Malcolm DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #137

It's not about him, it's about your issues aspirant Jul 2015 #145

What issues...I treat others with the same respect or disrespect they show me. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #147

"I subscribe to Malcolm X's axiom" aspirant Jul 2015 #151

Your attacks on my character don't bother me. But your dog whistle attacks on Malcolm X do DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #152

Dog whistles are so high pitched they can only be heard by dogs aspirant Jul 2015 #153

Let's disentangle all this one by one DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #154

Let's see aspirant Jul 2015 #160

Redux DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #162

Whistling can make you happy aspirant Jul 2015 #165

"Self worth, Why do you think his life is more important than yours." DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #187

You're not Malcolm, stop living in the past aspirant Jul 2015 #199

Reading must not be your forte. I was obviously responding as if I was his contemporary. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #200

"contemporary" = of the same age, living in the same period of time aspirant Jul 2015 #203

Precisely and unfortunately. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #205

You and your cohorts who have verbally bullied me in this thread... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #181

The victim card aspirant Jul 2015 #188

After your concession, as long as it takes. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #189

So you're not leaving, aspirant Jul 2015 #191

Well, that's a non sequitur. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #195

Is everything in your life a battle? aspirant Jul 2015 #206

My life is a battle against ignorance which racism is a function of. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #207

Why are you always quoting people, aspirant Jul 2015 #213

Racism is a pestilence upon our great land that needs to be exterminated DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #215

Off-topic aspirant Jul 2015 #217

Why do you persist? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #192

"persist" aspirant Jul 2015 #194

Abraham Lincoln done freed him and he be free to speak his mind. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #198

Is there 2 of you inside you? aspirant Jul 2015 #201

"You definitely need help." DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #202

Ask that second person inside of you. aspirant Jul 2015 #208

There is only one of me. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #211

Topic of this thread is TPP and Glass-Steagall aspirant Jul 2015 #216

You have made several posts that include.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #218

No you can represent both in your own OP aspirant Jul 2015 #219

Well, the mark of a great intellect is to hold two mutually exclusive concepts in one's mind... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #220

Did Jesus hold both good and bad in his mind and aspirant Jul 2015 #221

It seems that way DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #222

What did Jesus and Buddha say about this? aspirant Jul 2015 #225

I am not conversant enough with Buddhism to comment. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #229

I have no idea what you "aspire" to, okasha Jul 2015 #238

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #204

That would be good advice to your buddy aspirant Jul 2015 #209

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #210

Why drag in an irrelevant post from another discussion? Point other than to attack? George II Jul 2015 #234

So post#128 was an attack too, right? aspirant Jul 2015 #235

A summary of this sub-thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #178

This is sad. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #80

Yes, in particular I think support on DU would go up if that happened Recursion Jul 2015 #132

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #179

Oops! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #174

bullshit poll!!!!!!!!!!!!! GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #224

"most folks couldn't give a rat's ass about TPP and Glass-Steagall" whathehell Jul 2015 #65

I refuse to hold myself above my fellow plebeians. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #71

Your obvious ignorance suggests as much. whathehell Jul 2015 #84

I wear your invective like a medal. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #87

like your ignorance whathehell Jul 2015 #89

If I respected you or your opinions your epithets might hurt. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #90

That left a mark./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #94

Respect from.the Ignorant and Unread is not on my goal list. whathehell Jul 2015 #95

And engaging in conversation with someone with whom the only thing I wish to disregard more ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #98

Huh? whathehell Jul 2015 #101

What part of DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #104

Gee, If I'm so unimportant, why do you keep sending me Personal.Mesages, LOL? whathehell Jul 2015 #108

It's not esoteric, IMHO. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #131

LOL ... +1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #173

So the nation's labor unions are composed primarily of "upper middle class" people? whathehell Jul 2015 #60

It's painfully obvious n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #62

I stand with the two out of every three Democrats who support it DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #63

But..but.I thought "most folks didn't give a rat's ass about it", lol? whathehell Jul 2015 #73

Whether they give a rat's ass or not they support it if asked with the emphasis on asked.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #77

But you said you didn't just "blindly follow", lol whathehell Jul 2015 #86

Non-government labor unions represent less than 3.5% of workers and Hoyt Jul 2015 #72

After decades of off-shoring jobs, attacks by Republican Administrations & Corporate interests whathehell Jul 2015 #82

Yes, things like the ISDS have been in just about every trade agreement since 1959. Hoyt Jul 2015 #97

"if you don't know where the food comes from.and that con Ernst you, don't eat it" whathehell Jul 2015 #100

Packers can label food, and they will. Just buy food with labels showing where Hoyt Jul 2015 #103

Yeah, sure.. whathehell Jul 2015 #157

Simple isn't it. Life must be difficult for you, if you can't figure this challenge out. Hoyt Jul 2015 #163

Not at all. Life must be difficult for you, if you if you think the TPP is just about eating. whathehell Jul 2015 #164

Yoy gotta shoot down each hyperbolic conspiracy theory as it is presented. Hoyt Jul 2015 #167

Um, I don't see whathehell Jul 2015 #168

"The ISDS won't overrule our laws." SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #133

You need to check your hearing, or read more. Check out some of the ISDS settlements here, in Europe Hoyt Jul 2015 #141

Well, you may be right SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #144

Governments were sued in SA and Australia, companies got nowhere. Supposedly, TPP Hoyt Jul 2015 #149

It's disgusting and degrading to call someone "Plebian" MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #112

I am proudly plebeian, a prole, a commoner, a member of the underclass./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #114

Well, a big "thank you!" from me MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #116

I hold nobody in contempt nor attribute responsibility for my status to anybody.I actually enjoy it. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #119

Glass Stegall is one of the main reasons for the real estate bubble artislife Jul 2015 #155

I live in a 450 sq ft rent controlled apartment with my gf DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #156

Lucky you....rent controlled. artislife Jul 2015 #158

It is probably fifteenth or sixteenth residence since I lost my home in 010./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #159

Yes..so why don't you think Glass Stengall is important? artislife Jul 2015 #161

There won't be any such studies prior to passage ... GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #223

Interestingly enough, Clinton fails massively in "increased minimum wage" London Lover Man Jul 2015 #85

Good fins. Thank you. 840high Jul 2015 #111

Glass Steagall isn't? elleng Jul 2015 #21

Nope DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #24

Corporations currently control us plebes. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #135

Not in my issues list either... Sancho Jul 2015 #30

ISDS courts from TPP will muck up your issues list too... cascadiance Jul 2015 #91

+1000 whathehell Jul 2015 #96

I don't believe those things will happen... Sancho Jul 2015 #99

You don't believe the proles will be screwed? SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #139

It's not a signed treaty yet... Sancho Jul 2015 #143

Wouldn't it be pretty to think so. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #146

So what are you going to do... Sancho Jul 2015 #150

If Republicans want to impeach him again, perhaps this time don't stand in their way... cascadiance Jul 2015 #184

I'm not waiting until it affects me directly, SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #197

In the same way that it was written by Labor Unions ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #182

Sorry but that propaganda doesn't hold up! It was far more rigged for corporate America than unions cascadiance Jul 2015 #186

Funny, this was the exact piece I was referring to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #190

Well, you do note AFLCIO's concern that corporate interests were overwhelming majority... cascadiance Jul 2015 #212

I rank every issue that you and DSB list and a couple more ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #180

So you disagree with Biden then? Who says the money in politics is the most sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #35

More important than people getting their SS checks, their Medicare, their Medicaid... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #45

What? Are you unaware of WHO is trying to cut SS? Why they even have the POWER sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #49

If Hillary isn't bothered.....well then neither am I artislife Jul 2015 #193

I agree SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #136

I rely on Medi Cal . That's CA's Medicaid program. That is why it's important to me./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #138

Again, I completely agree. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #140

I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #172

Agreed, and great posts throughout this thread. DanTex Jul 2015 #175

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #183

Are you a Hillary supporter? GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #226

Yes, why? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #228

President Obama is a Republican, who knew dsc Jul 2015 #3

Our African-American President supports the TPP, unfortunately... OnlyBernieBurnsBush Jul 2015 #5

several polls have stated that a majority of black voters support the TPP dsc Jul 2015 #14

I would love to understand why they support it artislife Jul 2015 #18

Good question n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #29

because Obama supports it Doctor_J Jul 2015 #105

I see nt artislife Jul 2015 #110

Because they are concentrated in the South and the coasts, which will get the most benefit from it? Recursion Jul 2015 #123

Are there links as to why they do support it? cascadiance Jul 2015 #19

I don't think polls got into the whys dsc Jul 2015 #32

The ironic thing is rank and file Democrats supported it and rank and file Republicans opposed it... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #25

Not ironic, but by design, which is why it was so secret... cascadiance Jul 2015 #33

I found that interesting too (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #124

I was actually a bit off...Both Ds and Rs support it but Ds support it in larger numbers. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #126

Interesting. Last poll I saw (months ago) it was in negative territory for R's Recursion Jul 2015 #127

Yes. I vaguely remember that poll... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #130

What does it mean that Obama and the Republicans sided against dems on the TPP? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #9

It means just add up the votes and you'll have your answer... cascadiance Jul 2015 #20

Do you have a link to AAs supporting the TPP? Thanks, I know that all Progressive sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #37

You do know what the word majority means don't you dsc Jul 2015 #40

So AAs do not belong to Unions or Progressive Orgs, in your view. Okay, that's all I wanted sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #52

apparently you don't know what majority means dsc Jul 2015 #67

I know what polls mean, if that's what you are referring to. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #76

I prefer posters not making up what I said dsc Jul 2015 #78

Polls on Hillary are meaningless wrt to issues at this point. She has name recognition sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #88

Indies can't vote in many of our primaries and caucuses dsc Jul 2015 #93

Thanks for the info! zappaman Jul 2015 #106

The information is incorrect. It has been corrected now by two people. Bernie sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #170

unless and until you register as a dem you can't vote in those primaries dsc Jul 2015 #185

Blatant fucking horseshit! TM99 Jul 2015 #115

You might try reading instead of cussing at me dsc Jul 2015 #118

I read your post. TM99 Jul 2015 #122

Here is a link to back up what I said dsc Jul 2015 #129

Indies ARE aware that in some states they need to register as Dems sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #171

What? Indies are going to register as Dems JUST so they can vote for Bernie sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #169

Here's a link to the Pew Poll DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #50

Welcome to DU... zappaman Jul 2015 #6

Results... Major Nikon Jul 2015 #92

Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #102

Actually, it was in error. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #109

S'okay. zappaman Jul 2015 #117

More choices necessary. elleng Jul 2015 #7

Right next to Hillary? Autumn Jul 2015 #10

FYI to what the TPP is and why it could be considered important. artislife Jul 2015 #12

We don't have a final TPP...and the US currently has about 20 active trade agreements. Sancho Jul 2015 #36

It's not mixed for the thousands of people who lost jobs as a result of NAFTA. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #39

Haha...I'm a 40 year union member... Sancho Jul 2015 #47

After CAFTA was signed, sixteen Columbian labor organizers were murdered whathehell Jul 2015 #166

Thanks for bringing this up artislife Jul 2015 #196

You're welcome -- It's huge. n/t whathehell Jul 2015 #227

I went through your links on NAFTA artislife Jul 2015 #43

As I understand it much of the TPP was drafted by corporations, but it's not finished. Sancho Jul 2015 #54

We agree on labeling and round up! artislife Jul 2015 #59

Glass-Steagall and why it could be considered important artislife Jul 2015 #15

I keep asking why breaking up the banks would help in today's world... Sancho Jul 2015 #38

I keep asking how using trillions of tax dollars to save the asses of corrupt Wall St sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #41

I agree there were criminal bankers...but Sancho Jul 2015 #56

Not getting your reasoning. If the trillions had been spent on the victims rather than the sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #64

We've had plenty of homeless and foreclosures here in FL too... Sancho Jul 2015 #74

I have read all these reports and completely disagree that there wasn't sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #81

Closing Tax loop holes would be great, too. Not instead of nt artislife Jul 2015 #46

I'll never forgive Clinton for that. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #42

We have just may have found the real difference artislife Jul 2015 #48

This is the exact difference between Democrats and Third Way. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #69

If supporting TPP is a proxy for Third Wayism than two out of every three Democrats is one DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #75

Polls like that are meaningless unless all the people polled Zorra Jul 2015 #83

HRC deftly nuanced on TPP HFRN Jul 2015 #79

Clinton supporters stand with the republicans on most issues Doctor_J Jul 2015 #107

So sad for our country. 840high Jul 2015 #113

Wow shenmue Jul 2015 #148

that's called 'The Neoliberal Choice' HFRN Jul 2015 #230

TPP-neutral. Glass Steagal will not pass the Republican House stevenleser Jul 2015 #121

Clinton is my 2nd choice after O'Malley, but: TPP "meh", Glass-Steagall "slightly negative meh" Recursion Jul 2015 #125

TPP puts corporations above elected governments. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #142

completely above nt HFRN Jul 2015 #232

Since the final TPP doesn't exist yet I think we need to wait to see the details. DCBob Jul 2015 #176

Which is why TPA should NOT have been passed before we did know what is happening in the TPP... cascadiance Jul 2015 #214

I agree with Barney Frank about Glass-Steagall OKNancy Jul 2015 #177

I'm guessing this HassleCat Jul 2015 #231

She supports Dodd-Frank, as does Warren, who said she was still proud of signing it as significant. freshwest Jul 2015 #240

Are there only those two narrow options? "If you're not with us you're against us"! George II Jul 2015 #233

OP is asking, where do YOU stand? grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #236

This is the OP bottom-line question: George II Jul 2015 #237

Are you comfortable enough with your position to tell us where you do stand? Personally, I think the grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #239