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2016 Postmortem

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Drunken Irishman

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Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:07 AM Jul 2015

The response of #BLM by white liberals indicates the overall problem... [View all]

It's clear there is a huge disconnect between white liberalism and the largest Democratic constituency out there - and it's one that has been there since the early days of the Obama administration. The response of white liberals, who instead of being reflective about their position, are outright hostel to a growing aspect of the base that has, for the last 40-plus years, been the backbone of the Democratic Party, is part of the problem - and maybe why the BLM groups feel the need to speak out so heavily.

Instead of complaining about what they're doing - maybe focus on why they're doing it.

And yet, from what I've seen, the response has been pretty damn patronizing - you should support Bernie because, gosh, he's done so much for black America. Just listen to his speeches! You should support Bernie because he's fighting for total income equality, which will totally benefit blacks in this country. Moreover, then it's white liberals who turn around and deflect that criticism by pointing to the first black president and saying, "go heckle him! - not the white guys!"

Do I think the intent there is as nasty as it's coming across? No. But I think there is a huge blind spot when it comes to white liberals and race. You wanna know how I know? Because I've experienced it. The fact of the matter is that no amount of compromising, empathy or understanding is going to get us to fully acknowledge the issue from the perspective of black America. Bernie Sanders will never know what it's like to be black - he will never know the struggles of growing up black in America, especially black and poor in America.

That's not Bernie's fault - or any of our faults - but the way we approach this overall issue can be our fault. But from the start, whether it's been on BLM or the overall administration of the first black president, many white liberals have used the same tactics, even if with motives completely opposite, of the right - parading out other blacks to prove their point to black America, tearing down the actions of the first black president, dismissing a good portion of what he's done and all this reflects on black America who, in large part, still supports Pres. Obama.

Granted, you'll find a few in the BLM community who do not support Obama, who feel he's been too tepid on this matter, and who have, in fact, heckled him - just as they did in Selma when he gave his all too important speech.

It happens - but the outrage then was minimal. There were a few people who brought it up, but on the whole, no one seemed to be as defensive about it when it happened.

Even now, even today, I see white liberals posting links from black supporters of Bernie, as if that validates their whole point. It doesn't. It doesn't no more than when FOX News brings Allan West out in front of their audience to trash the President. The assumption, of course, is that because it's coming from a black voice, it automatically has more merit and can be used by whites to hide behind. No, no it can't.

This has been something the left does a great deal - namely with guys like Tavis Smiley and Cornell West. It's a way white liberals can hit Obama on issues that, on the whole, they'd feel uncomfortable hitting him on because of his skin color.

And don't think many liberal blacks haven't taken notice - they have. It's why, even here on DU, there are concerns and questions among those black supporters of the President.

It's also why it's so important to listen to their concerns instead of spouting off on how their movement is dead to you. In the end, the Democratic Party will only go as far as the black community allows it.

Bernie won't win the White House on the backs of white liberal voters. He won't even win it on the backs of white voters. He'll win it, just as Obama did, with support from blacks and Hispanics - two demographics that overwhelmingly supported the Democratic Party.

But whatever you're doing is not helping. It's only turning black support off your guy. Step back, let 'em vent, listen to their concerns and go from there. I mean, I get where much of this is rooted - as I'm not a fan of heckling. I think it's rude. But there is also a reason this is blowing up like it is, and the refusal to address that reason is only damaging your candidate with a huge group of people that matter - and deflecting the criticism onto Obama or Holder is not the way to go, because that'll just alienate those groups that much more.

At least that's how I see it.

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So the Kos diarist is just an Allen West to you? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #1
That's the dismissive answer that'll turn black voters off your guy. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #3
I'm not turning anybody away whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #8
Ignoring their criticisms is exactly turning them away. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #9
What criticisms am *I* ignoring? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #12
lol Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #13
Lol is the answer when you got nothing whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #18
Obviously that's not true. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #22
Which issue? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #24
No need to play naive on this. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #26
You gotta do better than a string of non sequiturs whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #27
There is no need to elaborate. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #31
Is anything I say going to influence your support for Hillary? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #32
I don't support Hillary. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #35
I totally agree with you. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2015 #42
That race---not economic inequality--is most important. That black people of ALL incomes are Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #77
Actually whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #80
Anyone who knows me around these parts knows that I loathe HRC and the Clintons Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #82
I didn't assume your support whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #83
Then you disagree with the OP. bvar22 Jul 2015 #89
I get it. John Poet Jul 2015 #100
Your OP was very thoughtful, but murielm99 Jul 2015 #17
+1. zappaman Jul 2015 #21
An insulting broadbrush post like yours is not lashing out, I suppose? merrily Jul 2015 #36
No, it is not. murielm99 Jul 2015 #37
No you posted a totally gratuitous broad brush smear, even though no one had attacked you. merrily Jul 2015 #39
+1! Well said! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #45
Thank you. It's been very odd on DU lately. Every kind word is appreciated more than ever. merrily Jul 2015 #47
Raise hell at any rally or town hall you want but if you say you want brewens Jul 2015 #79
Talk about "wasted effort"..... bvar22 Jul 2015 #90
Go look it up. murielm99 Jul 2015 #98
Wow. Agschmid Jul 2015 #54
Aren't you the person who just posted the racist line "if only dumb blacks understood"? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #2
Thank you for bringing that up, bud. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #4
You said the words. I did not. You attempted to put those words in my mouth. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #5
I don't need to attempt to do anything. It's the tone. And it's true. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #6
You have a very interesting history with race on DU. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #14
haha so you're also a stalker too. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #16
No, but I'm literate and technically competent to perform a search. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #19
I don't need to. Your posts today tell me everything I need to know about you. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #20
Jury results. merrily Jul 2015 #34
Thanks for letting me know. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #67
Jury results, 3-4 leave Lancero Jul 2015 #25
I was on that jury and I understood him perfectly. bravenak Jul 2015 #30
+1 nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #68
Most of the comments have expressed disappointment in the horrible way Sanders conducted himself Number23 Jul 2015 #7
Absolutely. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #11
Actually, I didn't get over supporters in 2008; by then I was set on Obama as as man of brilliant freshwest Jul 2015 #86
Exactly. They made me go back a check undecided on that poll. I have never felt such pure racism. bravenak Jul 2015 #29
It's unreal, bravenak.. bad before but worse now.. Just saw this tweet from AngryBlackLady.. Cha Jul 2015 #43
They don't even notice how badly they are acting. bravenak Jul 2015 #44
I was on a jury today where somebody was behaving very badly.. he got a wake up call or not.. Cha Jul 2015 #46
Girl. They jusy keep going and going. Like energizer bunnies. bravenak Jul 2015 #64
The nastiest ones know, they just don't care ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #93
Like this very much not racist at all post. bravenak Jul 2015 #94
"Let me know how this 'harass Black people into supporting Bernie Sanders' campaign is working out gollygee Jul 2015 #56
I can imagine, gollygee.. it really is too bad that so many have no clue how they're hurting Cha Jul 2015 #74
Thanks for posting Gothmog Jul 2015 #73
You're welcome, Gothmog Cha Jul 2015 #78
Good point, 23. "People can overcome a momentary disappointment over a really poorly handled moment Cha Jul 2015 #38
I wish the Sanders supporters would listen to you brer cat Jul 2015 #53
"... the nastiest, most unaware, and most racially clueless people in the world ..." Bernie fans? aikoaiko Jul 2015 #55
They aren't clueless. They're willfully hateful. gollygee Jul 2015 #58
They are definitely in the top 5. The difference is that Tea Partiers et al don't hurl cherry picked Number23 Jul 2015 #84
I just got home from a non-political event ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #92
You might like this.... MADem Jul 2015 #105
Yeah, I saw that. Too bad the Sanders supporters here are too busy racking up the recs with their Number23 Jul 2015 #108
K & R! BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #10
man, you do realize all of these points apply to Alan Keyes? MisterP Jul 2015 #15
I couldn't agree more. n/t Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #23
I'm sure a polling service is working on this right now. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #28
BLM has already stated what they think of white progressives: HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #33
If only we heard more from BLM and less from Clinton opportunists. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #40
A-fucking-men! TM99 Jul 2015 #50
+billions whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #69
Well here is the Sanders group "listening" to BLM Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #76
Yup, and Patrisse Cullors was very definitely heard loud and clear n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #85
Good. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #87
Is it, now? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #88
It's called a protest Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #91
Actually, it's a statement from an interview with "This Week In Blackness." Scootaloo Jul 2015 #96
Absolutely Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #97
Patrisse Cullors is not a "them." Scootaloo Jul 2015 #99
No one is silencing you, obviously Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #103
I know, thus "try" rather than "succeed." Scootaloo Jul 2015 #104
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2015 #41
Completely unrecommended. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #48
Thanks for the insight get the red out Jul 2015 #49
Another mistake white liberals make is thinking all black protests are equally valid BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #51
Know That KOS Is A HRC Supporter - What Better Way To Derail Other Campaigns - Foment Controversy cantbeserious Jul 2015 #52
And if Bernie is the kind of candidate that I think he is nc4bo Jul 2015 #57
No Doubt - That Said - This Does Appear To Have Been A Setup cantbeserious Jul 2015 #61
Gonna cross post this from another thread... here's how this goes: Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #59
Keyword: Historic. People basically are saying over and over again nc4bo Jul 2015 #60
Nailed It. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #62
Exactly right seveneyes Jul 2015 #66
That is a very crude caricature of African-Americans. But, I guess if you want Bernie's geek tragedy Jul 2015 #70
Your words, not mine. [nt] Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #72
Why are you assuming Person A is African-American? Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #81
Fail ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #95
Another perspective or two: Triana Jul 2015 #63
DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2015 #65
Did you see this thread? This is why economic justice not the issue... Sancho Jul 2015 #71
Many of us POC here at DU have been trying to say this for years. Many white liberals have Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #75
Whites make up 60% of the Democratic Party CANDO Jul 2015 #101
We show up dedicatedly and no win without us. bravenak Jul 2015 #102
You're going to win a general election without black and latino voters? Not happening. nt MADem Jul 2015 #106
Good point. Let people vent and then go from there. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #107
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