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In reply to the discussion: The response of #BLM by white liberals indicates the overall problem... [View all]MADem
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Roderick Morrow: .... The thing about the Bernie Sanders fans is while they're very obtuse and they don't listen, they are more polite than the people who just call you the n-word or a racial slur or something. It's more like that passive-aggressive "We're on the same side, man!" where clearly they don't want you to talk about anything that their candidate can do better, but they do want you to just vote for him.
There's a lot of "You're not saying this stuff to other candidates," but we are. He just kind of had a bad 48 hours or so. I'm not expecting him to drop out of the race; I think he'll be fine. Hopefully, from the tweets I've seen, I think his campaign's listening, and hopefully they're going to regroup and hopefully reform and be more vocal around some of these issues....
Dara Lind:So the Sanders supporters who aren't with the campaign, did you see any receptiveness from them, or was it just a lot of unironic "#BernieSoBlack he marched with MLK," which missed the point completely?
Roderick Morrow:Oh, yeah, there's a ton of that. Honestly, the joke is not even on Bernie Sanders. That's what's so funny the joke is on the defense of him, which is, if you extrapolate to the furthest extent, he can do no wrong on race. Like, we should not even expect anything of him, he put in his time already, we need to just shut up.
I'm sure it does happen, but I can't imagine people doing this to other constituencies, because you do rely on those votes. At Netroots Nation, you're going to be addressing a very diverse but very black-centric audience, and to not really be prepared to talk about race there is a little bit of a slap in the face. So for us and when I say "us," I just mean black people, I'm not any level of an activist or anything for us to just say, Hey, you kind of did a bad job, hope you do better in the future, and then get bombarded with "He marched in 1968!" it's like, All right, man, I don't know what to tell you.
And it's kind of scary, too, because on a deeper level, when he talked about Ferguson, he was like, "Well, the real problem is that there's not enough jobs." And while I agree jobs are definitely a problem, and opportunities are a problem, and you definitely want people to be working Mike Brown was going to college. He was on his way to school in a couple of days. I don't think that was necessarily the problem in that situation. I hope it's not just him saying, "If these Negroes were working there wouldn't be any problems," because ooh, that's not too far from some really bold negative statements that we've heard about the black race in the past. I don't think that's what's underlying it, I just think he needs to be more vocal and speak with some authority about it because he seems to run from talking about it. I don't think it's that hard to talk about it. Elizabeth Warren knocked the socks off the room, because she was talking about the economy, but she just happened to mention, "Hey, black lives matter, we do need people working, we do need to get people out of jails." She was very vocal about it, but I didn't feel like she was just coming there to kiss butt. I felt like she was just being sincere.
Dara Lind:After today, are you more or less hopeful about the white progressives who have been using Sanders's civil rights record?
Roderick Morrow:I'm more hopeful for the campaign than I am for his defenders. The campaign itself tweeted out a couple things. Obviously they're seeing the trends on social media and they're obviously seeing they need to do better.
.....
As far as fans ... I don't know, man. You're talking about hundreds of years of history of people who can kind of be very ... they can ignore a lot of voices if they don't sign up exactly with what they're saying. There will always be a struggle, even in progressive spaces, to have people who don't dismiss you for having a different goal than they do. You see the same thing with, like, immigration. A lot of black people who love President Obama don't care about immigration. Because it's like, "Not our problem!" The challenge is always how can you support each other without turning on each other? I don't know that the Sanders camp fans will learn that lesson. But it ain't going to stop people from wanting #BlackLivesMatter to be talked about, so they might as well let it go.
There's a lot of "You're not saying this stuff to other candidates," but we are. He just kind of had a bad 48 hours or so. I'm not expecting him to drop out of the race; I think he'll be fine. Hopefully, from the tweets I've seen, I think his campaign's listening, and hopefully they're going to regroup and hopefully reform and be more vocal around some of these issues....
Dara Lind:So the Sanders supporters who aren't with the campaign, did you see any receptiveness from them, or was it just a lot of unironic "#BernieSoBlack he marched with MLK," which missed the point completely?
Roderick Morrow:Oh, yeah, there's a ton of that. Honestly, the joke is not even on Bernie Sanders. That's what's so funny the joke is on the defense of him, which is, if you extrapolate to the furthest extent, he can do no wrong on race. Like, we should not even expect anything of him, he put in his time already, we need to just shut up.
I'm sure it does happen, but I can't imagine people doing this to other constituencies, because you do rely on those votes. At Netroots Nation, you're going to be addressing a very diverse but very black-centric audience, and to not really be prepared to talk about race there is a little bit of a slap in the face. So for us and when I say "us," I just mean black people, I'm not any level of an activist or anything for us to just say, Hey, you kind of did a bad job, hope you do better in the future, and then get bombarded with "He marched in 1968!" it's like, All right, man, I don't know what to tell you.
And it's kind of scary, too, because on a deeper level, when he talked about Ferguson, he was like, "Well, the real problem is that there's not enough jobs." And while I agree jobs are definitely a problem, and opportunities are a problem, and you definitely want people to be working Mike Brown was going to college. He was on his way to school in a couple of days. I don't think that was necessarily the problem in that situation. I hope it's not just him saying, "If these Negroes were working there wouldn't be any problems," because ooh, that's not too far from some really bold negative statements that we've heard about the black race in the past. I don't think that's what's underlying it, I just think he needs to be more vocal and speak with some authority about it because he seems to run from talking about it. I don't think it's that hard to talk about it. Elizabeth Warren knocked the socks off the room, because she was talking about the economy, but she just happened to mention, "Hey, black lives matter, we do need people working, we do need to get people out of jails." She was very vocal about it, but I didn't feel like she was just coming there to kiss butt. I felt like she was just being sincere.
Dara Lind:After today, are you more or less hopeful about the white progressives who have been using Sanders's civil rights record?
Roderick Morrow:I'm more hopeful for the campaign than I am for his defenders. The campaign itself tweeted out a couple things. Obviously they're seeing the trends on social media and they're obviously seeing they need to do better.
.....
As far as fans ... I don't know, man. You're talking about hundreds of years of history of people who can kind of be very ... they can ignore a lot of voices if they don't sign up exactly with what they're saying. There will always be a struggle, even in progressive spaces, to have people who don't dismiss you for having a different goal than they do. You see the same thing with, like, immigration. A lot of black people who love President Obama don't care about immigration. Because it's like, "Not our problem!" The challenge is always how can you support each other without turning on each other? I don't know that the Sanders camp fans will learn that lesson. But it ain't going to stop people from wanting #BlackLivesMatter to be talked about, so they might as well let it go.
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/20/9005855/black-twitter-bernie-sanders
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The response of #BLM by white liberals indicates the overall problem... [View all]
Drunken Irishman
Jul 2015
OP
That race---not economic inequality--is most important. That black people of ALL incomes are
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jul 2015
#77
Anyone who knows me around these parts knows that I loathe HRC and the Clintons
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jul 2015
#82
No you posted a totally gratuitous broad brush smear, even though no one had attacked you.
merrily
Jul 2015
#39
Thank you. It's been very odd on DU lately. Every kind word is appreciated more than ever.
merrily
Jul 2015
#47
Aren't you the person who just posted the racist line "if only dumb blacks understood"?
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2015
#2
You said the words. I did not. You attempted to put those words in my mouth.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2015
#5
I don't need to. Your posts today tell me everything I need to know about you.
Drunken Irishman
Jul 2015
#20
Most of the comments have expressed disappointment in the horrible way Sanders conducted himself
Number23
Jul 2015
#7
Actually, I didn't get over supporters in 2008; by then I was set on Obama as as man of brilliant
freshwest
Jul 2015
#86
Exactly. They made me go back a check undecided on that poll. I have never felt such pure racism.
bravenak
Jul 2015
#29
It's unreal, bravenak.. bad before but worse now.. Just saw this tweet from AngryBlackLady..
Cha
Jul 2015
#43
I was on a jury today where somebody was behaving very badly.. he got a wake up call or not..
Cha
Jul 2015
#46
"Let me know how this 'harass Black people into supporting Bernie Sanders' campaign is working out
gollygee
Jul 2015
#56
I can imagine, gollygee.. it really is too bad that so many have no clue how they're hurting
Cha
Jul 2015
#74
Good point, 23. "People can overcome a momentary disappointment over a really poorly handled moment
Cha
Jul 2015
#38
"... the nastiest, most unaware, and most racially clueless people in the world ..." Bernie fans?
aikoaiko
Jul 2015
#55
They are definitely in the top 5. The difference is that Tea Partiers et al don't hurl cherry picked
Number23
Jul 2015
#84
Yeah, I saw that. Too bad the Sanders supporters here are too busy racking up the recs with their
Number23
Jul 2015
#108
Another mistake white liberals make is thinking all black protests are equally valid
BeyondGeography
Jul 2015
#51
Know That KOS Is A HRC Supporter - What Better Way To Derail Other Campaigns - Foment Controversy
cantbeserious
Jul 2015
#52
That is a very crude caricature of African-Americans. But, I guess if you want Bernie's
geek tragedy
Jul 2015
#70
Many of us POC here at DU have been trying to say this for years. Many white liberals have
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jul 2015
#75