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MADem

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105. You might like this....
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 01:57 AM
Jul 2015
Roderick Morrow: .... The thing about the Bernie Sanders fans is while they're very obtuse and they don't listen, they are more polite than the people who just call you the n-word or a racial slur or something. It's more like that passive-aggressive "We're on the same side, man!" where clearly they don't want you to talk about anything that their candidate can do better, but they do want you to just vote for him.
There's a lot of "You're not saying this stuff to other candidates," but we are.
He just kind of had a bad 48 hours or so. I'm not expecting him to drop out of the race; I think he'll be fine. Hopefully, from the tweets I've seen, I think his campaign's listening, and hopefully they're going to regroup and hopefully reform and be more vocal around some of these issues....


Dara Lind:So the Sanders supporters who aren't with the campaign, did you see any receptiveness from them, or was it just a lot of unironic "#BernieSoBlack he marched with MLK," which missed the point completely?
Roderick Morrow:Oh, yeah, there's a ton of that. Honestly, the joke is not even on Bernie Sanders. That's what's so funny — the joke is on the defense of him, which is, if you extrapolate to the furthest extent, he can do no wrong on race. Like, we should not even expect anything of him, he put in his time already, we need to just shut up.

I'm sure it does happen, but I can't imagine people doing this to other constituencies, because you do rely on those votes. At Netroots Nation, you're going to be addressing a very diverse but very black-centric audience, and to not really be prepared to talk about race there is a little bit of a slap in the face. So for us — and when I say "us," I just mean black people, I'm not any level of an activist or anything — for us to just say, Hey, you kind of did a bad job, hope you do better in the future, and then get bombarded with "He marched in 1968!" it's like, All right, man, I don't know what to tell you.
And it's kind of scary, too, because on a deeper level, when he talked about Ferguson, he was like, "Well, the real problem is that there's not enough jobs." And while I agree — jobs are definitely a problem, and opportunities are a problem, and you definitely want people to be working — Mike Brown was going to college. He was on his way to school in a couple of days. I don't think that was necessarily the problem in that situation. I hope it's not just him saying, "If these Negroes were working there wouldn't be any problems," because ooh, that's not too far from some really bold negative statements that we've heard about the black race in the past. I don't think that's what's underlying it, I just think he needs to be more vocal and speak with some authority about it because he seems to run from talking about it. I don't think it's that hard to talk about it. Elizabeth Warren knocked the socks off the room, because she was talking about the economy, but she just happened to mention, "Hey, black lives matter, we do need people working, we do need to get people out of jails." She was very vocal about it, but I didn't feel like she was just coming there to kiss butt. I felt like she was just being sincere.

Dara Lind:After today, are you more or less hopeful about the white progressives who have been using Sanders's civil rights record?
Roderick Morrow:I'm more hopeful for the campaign than I am for his defenders. The campaign itself tweeted out a couple things. Obviously they're seeing the trends on social media and they're obviously seeing they need to do better.

.....
As far as fans ... I don't know, man. You're talking about hundreds of years of history of people who can kind of be very ... they can ignore a lot of voices if they don't sign up exactly with what they're saying. There will always be a struggle, even in progressive spaces, to have people who don't dismiss you for having a different goal than they do. You see the same thing with, like, immigration. A lot of black people who love President Obama don't care about immigration. Because it's like, "Not our problem!" The challenge is always how can you support each other without turning on each other? I don't know that the Sanders camp fans will learn that lesson. But it ain't going to stop people from wanting #BlackLivesMatter to be talked about, so they might as well let it go.


http://www.vox.com/2015/7/20/9005855/black-twitter-bernie-sanders
So the Kos diarist is just an Allen West to you? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #1
That's the dismissive answer that'll turn black voters off your guy. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #3
I'm not turning anybody away whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #8
Ignoring their criticisms is exactly turning them away. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #9
What criticisms am *I* ignoring? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #12
lol Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #13
Lol is the answer when you got nothing whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #18
Obviously that's not true. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #22
Which issue? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #24
No need to play naive on this. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #26
You gotta do better than a string of non sequiturs whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #27
There is no need to elaborate. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #31
Is anything I say going to influence your support for Hillary? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #32
I don't support Hillary. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #35
I totally agree with you. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2015 #42
That race---not economic inequality--is most important. That black people of ALL incomes are Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #77
Actually whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #80
Anyone who knows me around these parts knows that I loathe HRC and the Clintons Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #82
I didn't assume your support whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #83
Then you disagree with the OP. bvar22 Jul 2015 #89
I get it. John Poet Jul 2015 #100
Your OP was very thoughtful, but murielm99 Jul 2015 #17
+1. zappaman Jul 2015 #21
An insulting broadbrush post like yours is not lashing out, I suppose? merrily Jul 2015 #36
No, it is not. murielm99 Jul 2015 #37
No you posted a totally gratuitous broad brush smear, even though no one had attacked you. merrily Jul 2015 #39
+1! Well said! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #45
Thank you. It's been very odd on DU lately. Every kind word is appreciated more than ever. merrily Jul 2015 #47
Raise hell at any rally or town hall you want but if you say you want brewens Jul 2015 #79
Talk about "wasted effort"..... bvar22 Jul 2015 #90
Go look it up. murielm99 Jul 2015 #98
Wow. Agschmid Jul 2015 #54
Aren't you the person who just posted the racist line "if only dumb blacks understood"? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #2
Thank you for bringing that up, bud. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #4
You said the words. I did not. You attempted to put those words in my mouth. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #5
I don't need to attempt to do anything. It's the tone. And it's true. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #6
You have a very interesting history with race on DU. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #14
haha so you're also a stalker too. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #16
No, but I'm literate and technically competent to perform a search. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #19
I don't need to. Your posts today tell me everything I need to know about you. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #20
Jury results. merrily Jul 2015 #34
Thanks for letting me know. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #67
Jury results, 3-4 leave Lancero Jul 2015 #25
I was on that jury and I understood him perfectly. bravenak Jul 2015 #30
+1 nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #68
Most of the comments have expressed disappointment in the horrible way Sanders conducted himself Number23 Jul 2015 #7
Absolutely. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #11
Actually, I didn't get over supporters in 2008; by then I was set on Obama as as man of brilliant freshwest Jul 2015 #86
Exactly. They made me go back a check undecided on that poll. I have never felt such pure racism. bravenak Jul 2015 #29
It's unreal, bravenak.. bad before but worse now.. Just saw this tweet from AngryBlackLady.. Cha Jul 2015 #43
They don't even notice how badly they are acting. bravenak Jul 2015 #44
I was on a jury today where somebody was behaving very badly.. he got a wake up call or not.. Cha Jul 2015 #46
Girl. They jusy keep going and going. Like energizer bunnies. bravenak Jul 2015 #64
The nastiest ones know, they just don't care ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #93
Like this very much not racist at all post. bravenak Jul 2015 #94
"Let me know how this 'harass Black people into supporting Bernie Sanders' campaign is working out gollygee Jul 2015 #56
I can imagine, gollygee.. it really is too bad that so many have no clue how they're hurting Cha Jul 2015 #74
Thanks for posting Gothmog Jul 2015 #73
You're welcome, Gothmog Cha Jul 2015 #78
Good point, 23. "People can overcome a momentary disappointment over a really poorly handled moment Cha Jul 2015 #38
I wish the Sanders supporters would listen to you brer cat Jul 2015 #53
"... the nastiest, most unaware, and most racially clueless people in the world ..." Bernie fans? aikoaiko Jul 2015 #55
They aren't clueless. They're willfully hateful. gollygee Jul 2015 #58
They are definitely in the top 5. The difference is that Tea Partiers et al don't hurl cherry picked Number23 Jul 2015 #84
I just got home from a non-political event ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #92
You might like this.... MADem Jul 2015 #105
Yeah, I saw that. Too bad the Sanders supporters here are too busy racking up the recs with their Number23 Jul 2015 #108
K & R! BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #10
man, you do realize all of these points apply to Alan Keyes? MisterP Jul 2015 #15
I couldn't agree more. n/t Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #23
I'm sure a polling service is working on this right now. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #28
BLM has already stated what they think of white progressives: HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #33
If only we heard more from BLM and less from Clinton opportunists. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #40
A-fucking-men! TM99 Jul 2015 #50
+billions whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #69
Well here is the Sanders group "listening" to BLM Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #76
Yup, and Patrisse Cullors was very definitely heard loud and clear n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #85
Good. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #87
Is it, now? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #88
It's called a protest Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #91
Actually, it's a statement from an interview with "This Week In Blackness." Scootaloo Jul 2015 #96
Absolutely Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #97
Patrisse Cullors is not a "them." Scootaloo Jul 2015 #99
No one is silencing you, obviously Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #103
I know, thus "try" rather than "succeed." Scootaloo Jul 2015 #104
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2015 #41
Completely unrecommended. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #48
Thanks for the insight get the red out Jul 2015 #49
Another mistake white liberals make is thinking all black protests are equally valid BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #51
Know That KOS Is A HRC Supporter - What Better Way To Derail Other Campaigns - Foment Controversy cantbeserious Jul 2015 #52
And if Bernie is the kind of candidate that I think he is nc4bo Jul 2015 #57
No Doubt - That Said - This Does Appear To Have Been A Setup cantbeserious Jul 2015 #61
Gonna cross post this from another thread... here's how this goes: Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #59
Keyword: Historic. People basically are saying over and over again nc4bo Jul 2015 #60
Nailed It. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #62
Exactly right seveneyes Jul 2015 #66
That is a very crude caricature of African-Americans. But, I guess if you want Bernie's geek tragedy Jul 2015 #70
Your words, not mine. [nt] Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #72
Why are you assuming Person A is African-American? Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #81
Fail ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #95
Another perspective or two: Triana Jul 2015 #63
DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2015 #65
Did you see this thread? This is why economic justice not the issue... Sancho Jul 2015 #71
Many of us POC here at DU have been trying to say this for years. Many white liberals have Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #75
Whites make up 60% of the Democratic Party CANDO Jul 2015 #101
We show up dedicatedly and no win without us. bravenak Jul 2015 #102
You're going to win a general election without black and latino voters? Not happening. nt MADem Jul 2015 #106
Good point. Let people vent and then go from there. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #107
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