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PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
107. Good point. Let people vent and then go from there.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 02:28 AM
Jul 2015

Because if people who look like me, especially kids, were being killed over and over and over by cops and nothing is being done about it at all by the establishment for years, I'd be pretty focused on that issue.

Racism is profound here in the United States, and even whites who consider themselves non-racist can inadvertently be racist.

I wonder why, though, that BLM isn't more actively going after the current Congress and Administration for some fixes NOW.

I also must point out here that if we become divided, we are playing into the hands of the Koch brothers and the rest of the oligarchs.

Bernie could really win this thing, and if he does it will probably make life better for millions of Americans maybe for quite a few years to come. If Clinton wins, it will be more of the same neoliberal crap we've had since 1980. Nickel and diming us to death, busting unions, driving wages down, ripping off pensions, cutting programs that actually help Americans. And if one of the Republicans wins, it will be the same neoliberal crap doubled down.

I can understand well that if your kids are dying, everything else stops mattering much until you get that problem solved. So let's start working together to solve it. I went on BLM's website and looked at their demands, and then I've read some stuff about how BLM activists are meeting with a few mayors.

But what's the agenda moving forward? First thing is you want it to stop; we all do. But what does that mean in terms of changing policy agendas from the Obama Administration? What does that mean in terms of specific legislation to ask for from members of the US Congress? What about state legislatures? How can pressure be applied to state legislators, as well as county and municipal governments to alleviate the situation? And what is the media strategy? The social media strategy? Are you planning any marches? Like on DC? Or maybe in some of these towns where the outrages have happened? By the way, how is the movement financing itself? Is there a goal for donations to allow BLM to do some media stuff and get the word out to more people?

Is there an economic strategy? Because if you hit the capitalists in the pocketbook with effective boycotts, you 'de facto' enlist them in the cause, because they will begin pressuring the same politicians you are pressuring - they don't want to lose money. Remember the Montgomery Bus Boycott? That WORKED.

The demands on the BLM site are fine - I expect most Americans could get behind them. I read them and I am behind them. Absolutely. But now what are we gonna DO? Because honestly, disrupting two Democratic candidates before the primary season even starts isn't gonna help very much if the goal is to actually solve the problem of innocent kids getting killed by cops because they are black. Solving that requires a pretty concerted effort to pressure those in power to make some positive stuff happen.

I mean, I've been active in getting some things done, and the first thing you DO is to sit down and say OK who can we pressure and get the greatest effect? What specifically should we ask of them? Then you pressure to make that happen while at the same time setting the next goal(s).

See, I was disappointed with Cullors because she doesn't seem to have any plan except to disrupt debates. I don't know what her background is, don't really care, but if you really want change, then disrupting debates isn't gonna help very much. I'm sorry because I'd be doing the same thing, or be inclined to. Protests, riots, uprisings? You bet - I have Irish Catholic roots and we've been there done that. But alas, it doesn't work. Boycotts work. Political pressure works. Ad campaigns work.

Oh, and by the way, if there is an organized effort, I will happily help - I'm not just sitting back here saying oh good luck. Nope. I will help.

However, I will not respond very well to disruptive heckling at what I perceive is the only candidate who cares enough about this racism to act to end it. And you know, if any Democratic candidate needs black people to help get elected, which is true, then it is ALSO true that black people need some other allies to get rid of this police violence.

So the Kos diarist is just an Allen West to you? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #1
That's the dismissive answer that'll turn black voters off your guy. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #3
I'm not turning anybody away whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #8
Ignoring their criticisms is exactly turning them away. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #9
What criticisms am *I* ignoring? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #12
lol Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #13
Lol is the answer when you got nothing whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #18
Obviously that's not true. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #22
Which issue? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #24
No need to play naive on this. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #26
You gotta do better than a string of non sequiturs whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #27
There is no need to elaborate. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #31
Is anything I say going to influence your support for Hillary? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #32
I don't support Hillary. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #35
I totally agree with you. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2015 #42
That race---not economic inequality--is most important. That black people of ALL incomes are Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #77
Actually whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #80
Anyone who knows me around these parts knows that I loathe HRC and the Clintons Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #82
I didn't assume your support whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #83
Then you disagree with the OP. bvar22 Jul 2015 #89
I get it. John Poet Jul 2015 #100
Your OP was very thoughtful, but murielm99 Jul 2015 #17
+1. zappaman Jul 2015 #21
An insulting broadbrush post like yours is not lashing out, I suppose? merrily Jul 2015 #36
No, it is not. murielm99 Jul 2015 #37
No you posted a totally gratuitous broad brush smear, even though no one had attacked you. merrily Jul 2015 #39
+1! Well said! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #45
Thank you. It's been very odd on DU lately. Every kind word is appreciated more than ever. merrily Jul 2015 #47
Raise hell at any rally or town hall you want but if you say you want brewens Jul 2015 #79
Talk about "wasted effort"..... bvar22 Jul 2015 #90
Go look it up. murielm99 Jul 2015 #98
Wow. Agschmid Jul 2015 #54
Aren't you the person who just posted the racist line "if only dumb blacks understood"? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #2
Thank you for bringing that up, bud. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #4
You said the words. I did not. You attempted to put those words in my mouth. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #5
I don't need to attempt to do anything. It's the tone. And it's true. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #6
You have a very interesting history with race on DU. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #14
haha so you're also a stalker too. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #16
No, but I'm literate and technically competent to perform a search. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #19
I don't need to. Your posts today tell me everything I need to know about you. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #20
Jury results. merrily Jul 2015 #34
Thanks for letting me know. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #67
Jury results, 3-4 leave Lancero Jul 2015 #25
I was on that jury and I understood him perfectly. bravenak Jul 2015 #30
+1 nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #68
Most of the comments have expressed disappointment in the horrible way Sanders conducted himself Number23 Jul 2015 #7
Absolutely. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #11
Actually, I didn't get over supporters in 2008; by then I was set on Obama as as man of brilliant freshwest Jul 2015 #86
Exactly. They made me go back a check undecided on that poll. I have never felt such pure racism. bravenak Jul 2015 #29
It's unreal, bravenak.. bad before but worse now.. Just saw this tweet from AngryBlackLady.. Cha Jul 2015 #43
They don't even notice how badly they are acting. bravenak Jul 2015 #44
I was on a jury today where somebody was behaving very badly.. he got a wake up call or not.. Cha Jul 2015 #46
Girl. They jusy keep going and going. Like energizer bunnies. bravenak Jul 2015 #64
The nastiest ones know, they just don't care ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #93
Like this very much not racist at all post. bravenak Jul 2015 #94
"Let me know how this 'harass Black people into supporting Bernie Sanders' campaign is working out gollygee Jul 2015 #56
I can imagine, gollygee.. it really is too bad that so many have no clue how they're hurting Cha Jul 2015 #74
Thanks for posting Gothmog Jul 2015 #73
You're welcome, Gothmog Cha Jul 2015 #78
Good point, 23. "People can overcome a momentary disappointment over a really poorly handled moment Cha Jul 2015 #38
I wish the Sanders supporters would listen to you brer cat Jul 2015 #53
"... the nastiest, most unaware, and most racially clueless people in the world ..." Bernie fans? aikoaiko Jul 2015 #55
They aren't clueless. They're willfully hateful. gollygee Jul 2015 #58
They are definitely in the top 5. The difference is that Tea Partiers et al don't hurl cherry picked Number23 Jul 2015 #84
I just got home from a non-political event ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #92
You might like this.... MADem Jul 2015 #105
Yeah, I saw that. Too bad the Sanders supporters here are too busy racking up the recs with their Number23 Jul 2015 #108
K & R! BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #10
man, you do realize all of these points apply to Alan Keyes? MisterP Jul 2015 #15
I couldn't agree more. n/t Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #23
I'm sure a polling service is working on this right now. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #28
BLM has already stated what they think of white progressives: HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #33
If only we heard more from BLM and less from Clinton opportunists. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #40
A-fucking-men! TM99 Jul 2015 #50
+billions whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #69
Well here is the Sanders group "listening" to BLM Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #76
Yup, and Patrisse Cullors was very definitely heard loud and clear n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #85
Good. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #87
Is it, now? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #88
It's called a protest Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #91
Actually, it's a statement from an interview with "This Week In Blackness." Scootaloo Jul 2015 #96
Absolutely Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #97
Patrisse Cullors is not a "them." Scootaloo Jul 2015 #99
No one is silencing you, obviously Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #103
I know, thus "try" rather than "succeed." Scootaloo Jul 2015 #104
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2015 #41
Completely unrecommended. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #48
Thanks for the insight get the red out Jul 2015 #49
Another mistake white liberals make is thinking all black protests are equally valid BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #51
Know That KOS Is A HRC Supporter - What Better Way To Derail Other Campaigns - Foment Controversy cantbeserious Jul 2015 #52
And if Bernie is the kind of candidate that I think he is nc4bo Jul 2015 #57
No Doubt - That Said - This Does Appear To Have Been A Setup cantbeserious Jul 2015 #61
Gonna cross post this from another thread... here's how this goes: Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #59
Keyword: Historic. People basically are saying over and over again nc4bo Jul 2015 #60
Nailed It. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #62
Exactly right seveneyes Jul 2015 #66
That is a very crude caricature of African-Americans. But, I guess if you want Bernie's geek tragedy Jul 2015 #70
Your words, not mine. [nt] Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #72
Why are you assuming Person A is African-American? Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #81
Fail ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #95
Another perspective or two: Triana Jul 2015 #63
DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2015 #65
Did you see this thread? This is why economic justice not the issue... Sancho Jul 2015 #71
Many of us POC here at DU have been trying to say this for years. Many white liberals have Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #75
Whites make up 60% of the Democratic Party CANDO Jul 2015 #101
We show up dedicatedly and no win without us. bravenak Jul 2015 #102
You're going to win a general election without black and latino voters? Not happening. nt MADem Jul 2015 #106
Good point. Let people vent and then go from there. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #107
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